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to change DD's school & move away to have a life separate from DM?

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YesSheCan · 26/06/2018 15:38

Namechange as too much personal info on previous thread, now deleted.

OP posts:
SeaEagleFeather · 12/07/2018 19:51

It is sad, very sad.

Do you think that in the long term, after some years, she might genuinely reflect on her behaviour and see that she got it very, very wrong?

PearlandRubies194 · 12/07/2018 19:55

OP, I haven’t read your other thread but I’ve been following this as it resonates deeply.

I was brought up by my grandmother whom I’ve always - for over 35 years - thought was my saviour, my hero. Someone who took me away from my chaotic mum. My GM loved me, cared for me, I was fed, safe etc and she came to every school play, was always there for me. It wasn’t until I became a mother myself, 16 years ago, that my mind began to unravel and I started to reflect back on my own mother and childhood.

My GM was very cruel and cold towards my DM and favourited her middle son, instead. As a result, my DM seeked love out in all the wrong places (older, married men). When I was born out of a one night stand, my mother was 16 and GM would pick me up and say “come to mummy” instead of “grandma”. My DM ran away when I was 9 weeks old because she could cope with living with GM. What followed was years of abusive relationships, drugs, prison and three daughters by different fathers and she just couldn’t cope. My GM took me in and my sisters went into care.

My GM favours one child from each set of grandchildren; she’d buy me clothes and toys but nothing for my siblings. I’ve seen her physically stop my nephew (aged 3) from going in to her home and making him play outside only to then turn to my second cousin (the same age as nephew and who was playing with him) and say “this is my little boy”, cuddle him and tell him to go to her ‘treats box’ in the kitchen to get himself a sweet.

I have two DC’s, she favours my son and has developed an unhealthy relationship with him.
When he was five months old, I was diagnosed with postnatal psychosis and all I could talk about to the psychiatrists and counsellor was my DM and my childhood. My GM had to take over caring for my son and so began years of guilt for me and controlling behaviour from her.

I’d ask her not to give him sweets or chocolates whilst I was at work, only to look through the window and see her laughing as my son went through the ‘treats box’. One Christmas, I had to work until 10pm on the Christmas Eve so my son slept over at GM’s. I asked her not to let him open gifts until I arrived at 7am- when I got there at 7am he’d opened them all.

A few years later when my son was nearly 10, I met someone only to find myself in an abusive relationship and three years later I fled to a refuge. GM would phone my son at the time and cry “you don’t love me any more” to him. She’d demand me to tell her where we were even though I wasn’t allowed to, she’d cry and make me feel guilty so I caved in only for her to tell her friends where we were, whilst crying to them.

Me and my children settled in a different county and over the last year, she’d ring my son even whilst he was at school. She’d ring him again at 3.10pm when he’d leave school and continue to ring him until he got home. If he wouldn’t answer, she’d ring the landline or my mobile. He was a teenager and she was nearly 80 years. I told her most days to leave him alone. She’d ring him every evening whilst he was with friends. And all of that just so she could hear his voice.

If she rang and I was cross with my son for whatever reason (not tidied up, not washed dishes etc) she’d ring him to warn him that I was cross.

My son’s behaviour changed for the worse last year, very angry and aggressive, he was arrested for shoplifting, he’d punch the walls and doors in front of his sister. I’m a lone parent and have no support and I’m ashamed to say I was afraid of him. My GM would send him money and phone credit even though I’d tell her not to as it was rewarding his poor behaviour. She’d cry that she was lonely and depressed so I’d have to have her to stay for a weekend and the whole time she’d want to be with my son, rubbing his back and whispering in his ears if I ever told him off for his poor behaviour. One time, he had a bottle of coke and we’d just had new carpets put down. I asked him several times to drink it in the kitchen but he ignored me - and then spilled it on the carpet. I cried whilst cleaning it up and she rubbed his back and whispered in his ears.

It came to a head this Easter when he packed his bags and moved in with her. Now she has what she’s always wanted, she’s gone from ringing me around 4 times a day to 3 times since Easter!

My son visits and tells me he feels uncomfortable as GM runs me down to him. I’ve paid for his maintenance, food and anything he needs but we have no bond, unfortunately.

My GM is 80 years old, she has three children and neither speak to each other because she’s favourited one against the other. My mother is unwell with MS - my GM lives around the corner but she’s never visited because “why should I? No one comes to see me”. Everything is about her.

My mother has three daughters and does not know how to be a mother in the loving and caring sense. She too, favourites one grandchild from each daughter’s offspring.

I know this is an incredibly long post but I wanted to tell you what happens when you don’t stick up to these people. I wish I’d listened to the refuge worker years ago who told me to change my number and block GM out because they could see how controlling she was.

You have done amazing putting yourself and your daughter first - I wished I had. Maybe my son would still be here with me today? He doesn’t answer my calls because she gets mad, if he’s been to see me GM cries with my son. It’s very toxic behaviour. I’ve been referred to a mental health team this week and have started medication.

I’ll be following your progress Op! Xx

Harpingon · 12/07/2018 20:08

de-lurking, I'm amazed at how strong you are, you have got this! I hope you and your daughter find some peace.

SeaEagleFeather · 12/07/2018 20:22

pearl I truly hope you can reclaim your son one day. Do you think he will begin to see what her behaviour has really been?

YesSheCan · 12/07/2018 20:31

Oh PearlandRubies that is terrible Flowers It sounds like there is hope for your relationship with your son though. Your GM sounds truly warped.
Think we're going to need a period of NC but I do hope DM will reflect and realise that her behaviour has led to this situation. As long as she completely denies that and continues to behave the way she has, I won't be able to be in touch with her or want DD to be

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Makemineboozefree · 12/07/2018 20:39

Oh PearlandRubies194, your post made me so sad. I hope one day soon your son moves back in with you and you can build a relationship with him.

Yesshecan After reading that post, it sounds like NC really is the healthiest thing for you and your DD. Is she okay tonight?

Gemini69 · 12/07/2018 20:53

Credit to you YesSheCan Flowers

you have the patience of a bloody Saint Lady ... I am rooting for you and your daughter every step of the way..... Grin

Go You Flowers

PearlandRubies194 · 12/07/2018 20:55

Thank you so much, he’s an amazing boy and has suffered so much in his life - I couldn’t bond with him for years, then he was removed from all he knew so we could go to the refuge, then he fell into a wrong crowd at school. He’s seemingly happier now, he attends a school near GM’s, has joined sports clubs and has many, many friends - most of whom he had before we left for the refuge. But I do worry about his emotional well being. When I was a child I’d beg my GM to let me stay for the night with my mum but she’d cry or not speak to me. At least now there are mobile phones so I maintain contact that way. I’ve put myself through university through all of this and have recently completed my MA. Next week, I start a new job - I should be happy but if it wasn’t for my daughter, I wouldn’t want to get it of bed. And to top it off, my daughter’s father sent a text last Friday to say unless I was willing to take my daughter to his door (a 4 hour trip) then he didn’t want anymore contact.

I’m having support to help my daughter and taking each day as it comes. OP, going no contact will be so good for your emotional and mental health, it really will. Mumsnet have been amazing for me - I’ve learnt about “stonewalling” which is what you need to do. As for your mum realising she’s in the wrong - please don’t take this as offence, but don’t hold out hope. If she’s anything like my GM she will see everyone else as being to blame and herself as a victim. Xx

chickenloverwoman · 12/07/2018 21:43

PearlandRubies194 I really hope your son comes to see his GM for what she is.

I had an appalling, toxic, abusive father, I so wanted to please him but no matter what, I never ever could. I now know that was down to him, never ever me. But it's taken me 50 years and a shed load of councelling to realise this. Tbh it, and the crap boundaries he left me with, left me severely damaged for a long time. I eventually found a good man and have been happily married for many years, but my first 25 years were horrible and tbh it blighted my early married life with lovely DH.

So, YesSheCan you have done absolutely the right thing today IMO. Your DD will need some help and councelling to work through what your mum has done (as, I think, will you)
But NOTHING like as much as if you had not stood up to your toxic mum and she had carried on abusing you both. You are an absolute 🌟

blueangel1 · 12/07/2018 21:49

@PearlandRubies194 - I'm so sad to hear your story, and I hope you're on the way back up now.

@ YesSheCan Definitely, definitely agree about going no contact - when someone is that toxic it's the only way to survive. DP has had to go virtual NC with EXW (other than emails about the house they're selling) after she got him arrested on a malicious claim of assault earlier this year. He is immeasurably better and he says now that he can't believe how he put up with it for so long.

Every day will be better as it will put a bit more distance between you and her.

PearlandRubies194 · 12/07/2018 21:51

Thank you. I’m so sorry you suffered as a child too and I’m so pleased that you’ve found love and happiness. I’ve been single for six years, I don’t think I’ll be able to be with anyone again there’s so much damage.

I agree about OP’s daughter benefiting from counselling, so that she goes into adulthood free from the burden of toxic relationships.

RandomMess · 13/07/2018 06:39

Hope you are ok this morning Thanks

Makemineboozefree · 13/07/2018 07:08

Hope you had a restful night, OP. Flowers

Slartybartfast · 13/07/2018 07:09

i too hope op's daughter gets benefit from counselling and things smooth out for her

SeaEagleFeather · 13/07/2018 08:49

Yes,, you might be in a sort of mild shock for a few days before a new normal re-establishes itself. Your daughter too; she could could have some odd reactions because she's lived for so long with friction and poisonous overindulgence. She mus love her grandma and it's rather tragic for her that the grandma's behaviour has led to this inevitable removal.

Please take it as easy as you can and be gentle with yourself.

InsuranceGirl · 13/07/2018 10:53

OP, I’ve been lurking on this (and the old board) and just wanted to say well done! I hope you and DD’s relationship can get stronger and everything moves along now.

Don’t hesitate on calling the police again if your M makes contact and keeping everyone else who is supporting you updated on what’s happening.

You are amazing and we are all behind you!

Clutterbugsmum · 13/07/2018 11:26

Your DD is probably glad your mum been removed from the house, as you can bet she whispering lies in her ears about you constantly while your not around. And she is conflicted about what happening.

I would also say YOU were in abusive relationship it just the abuser is your mum not a partner.

Hope you have a safe and quite relaxing weekend with your DD.

chickenloverwoman · 13/07/2018 12:09

Yes I agree your daughter is probably quite relieved, tbh. Being torn between the two people you love like that must be so hard :(
Entirely your mums fault I hasten to add! SHE was the one trying to subvert the love and respect and care of your daughter away from being your parental right and responsibility and

make it all hers, with you placed as a disagreeing child in her eyes. Treating you as the argumentative child in the relationship and her the parent in charge of both of you?
Ok I can understand, when you were first unwell, that she did have to act as parent to both of you but that was temporary and has not been true for a long time.

And from what you have said about your childhood she sounds pretty dysfunctional and abusive as a parent, to you.

Hope you both had a decent night's sleep Have Flowers and a hug xxx

YesSheCan · 13/07/2018 12:19

Thanks all. We are ok. Feel shaky and worn out. Sent DM an NC message this morning (one that leaves door open for contact to resume if she can recognise and change her damaging behaviour). Felt tearful after sending, for first time in ages as have just felt constantly stressed and frustrated for so long. I mean, I still love my DM but have to protect myself and DD from her toxic influence. It really would be tragic if we cannot move on to have a healthy relationship in the future. I am going to arrange counselling for DD once we have moved. She seems ok at the moment but I suspect is internalising her feelings or pushing them down.

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SometimesMaybe · 13/07/2018 13:36

Well done for making the biggest step. Just concentrate on the move and DD for now.

chickenloverwoman · 13/07/2018 14:34

Have a calm weekend, could you maybe go away for the weekend? Stay away Saturday overnight and do nice things Sat and Sunday? Bond with DD and get away from home, just in case your mother tries more stuff?
Don't know if that's do able for you, but it's what I'd probably be doing under the circumstances.
But regardless of what you do, hope you have a more peaceful and restful weekend you and DD x

YesSheCan · 13/07/2018 17:47

YY it would be good to get away. Me and DP were meant to be going away tomorrow but I cancelled when things started to kick off here. He'd booked today and Monday off. But now isn't best time for DDs first weekend away with me and DP. Will either stay here and be calm or go away just me and DD and leave DP to have a relaxing long weekend doing his own thing

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SeaEagleFeather · 13/07/2018 19:08

A weekend away with your daughter might be quite healing - really good quality time and drawing some sort of line under what's been, so that there will be more or less a new beginning.

I hope you're feeling a bit less extremely stressed though I'm sure it will take time to really start to leave all this behind.

This might be the hardest battle ever, because it's been so close to home!

chickenloverwoman · 13/07/2018 21:39

Could your DP come and stay in your house and you go away with DD? Then he could look after pets, make sure Mum doesn't come round etc?

Justtheonequestion · 13/07/2018 22:29

I think the fact Op has put her partner off for the weekend demonstrates her commitment to her daughter. A lot of mothers would have carried on with the weekend. Good on you.

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