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To be annoyed with DSS

235 replies

LadyRussell · 25/06/2018 19:08

DSS is 22.

His mum and DH split when he was 4. DH travelled a lot with Work and his contact with DSS was patchy at times. He could have tried harder tbh. He married and had 2 more children and DSS was included in that family and contact was more regular.

After we got together 9 years ago it DSS was a teenager and we lived 6 hours away but we always paid for DSS to fly down when he wanted to in the holidays, made him welcome and made sure he could get to family events and went to see him at least 3/4 times a year on top. Even when DH was away (with the forces) I had him every summer for two weeks.

Last few times we have gone to see him he’s changed his plans last minute and cancelled or he’s kept us hanging around all day giving us no firm plans. He doesn’t bother with his dads bday or father’s day or xmas. Obviously he gets a gift from us to the same value as the other children. We never ever let him down when we were due to see him.

OH has taken the opportunity to be in the same town as DSS this week and went up yday as DSS had today off work and he took today off so they could spend the day together.

He was really looking forward to spending some time with him and travelled up yesterday. I think he was disappointed that he didn’t even get a text on father’s day.

However DSS has cancelled on him this morning to go on a fishing trip, which I think is really poor.

AIBU to think a grown man should not behave like that and he should put some effort into his relationship with his dad (they get on really well).

I feel really sad for OH.

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LunaTrap · 25/06/2018 22:16

It just sounds a bit from your first post and your most recent one that contact isn't a priority for your DH when he is single but that it has picked up each time he has got married and he has someone else to help facilitate it. Not an unusual pattern for some NRPs.

bastardkitty · 25/06/2018 22:21

I don’t know what happened as so wasn’t around. That was up to both the mothers.

No, it wasn't, it was up to their father. You seem so lost in the habit of making excuses for him that you barely even register that you're doing it, even when it's pointed out to you.

LadyRussell · 25/06/2018 22:23

The children lived with their mothers at opposite ends of the country. Rarely swing their father at the same time

Much easier for the RP to organise phone or Skype contact.

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LadyRussell · 25/06/2018 22:23

*seeing

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Graphista · 25/06/2018 22:23

Given he's likely presented you with the best version of what happened when dss was younger and you already concede dh's contact with dss was 'patchy' and he 'could have tried harder' I'm guessing he was as useless as my ex - who was in the army until v recently.

I was an army brat myself and have relatives and friends still in, some of whom are nrp's - and who make a damn site more effort than my ex, or by the sounds of things your dh did. But I've also come across other instances of nrp's in the forces who use it as an excuse to fade out their kids lives.

As pp have noted - nrp's need to make an extra effort toward their bond with their child/ren BECAUSE they're not doing the daily graft of parenting - the bonus of this being the child knows that parent is ALWAYS there for them.

It's not JUST about direct contact either, and the forces infrastructure recognises this and provides support for absent parents to maintain indirect contact with their families. There's a variety of methods set up which I won't go into that allows service people to stay in touch with family 'ban home'. There's certainly no excuse for not doing so when he was home. Doesn't sound like your dh did this with any real commitment either. As in my ex's case I wonder just how hard is it REALLY to write/call/text regularly. (Clue: it's not hard if you make it a priority).

What you seem to be working really hard to avoid recognising is that your dh HURT his son by not being an involved and interested father - and not just once but REPEATEDLY over several years. Many adults would really struggle to cope with that kind of CONSTANT rejection let alone a child.

I've had to pick up the pieces each time dds been told her dad is too busy to make a weekly phone call, or text, let alone use annual leave (which the army gets a pretty good deal on) to actually see her. Even when he was having contact, I was doing most of the transport!

Because what the dad in this scenario is really saying to THEIR CHILD is - 'you matter less than my career, my new family, my time off, my time I want to spend doing hobbies - basically everything else in my life. You're bottom of my list of priorities' - how would you feel op? If your dh treated you like that? I know if an op came on here and says their dh was doing this they'd be told to LTB!

"those children we see a lot of." So he COULD have seen 'a lot of' dss too. And his being 'young' is no excuse either! Old enough to make a baby - old enough to take responsibility for it! Dss's mum certainly had to - and did!

"I am trying to persuade him to get it out in the open and for DH to talk to DSS how he feels etc so they can move on with their adult relationship on an equal footing but it’s like trying to crack a nut." Probably because dh KNOWS what would be coming at him from dss if he opens that can of worms!

He was/is a shit dad, you may not like hearing that - doesn't make it less true.

"and had nowhere for DSS to physically stay." If dh told you this that's bollocks! There's quarters set aside for PRECISELY this purpose, we've used them and I know several other families who have too. Going back 30+ years to my recollection.

"He needs telling with a sharp word, it's rude, whoever is doing it." Dreadful advice pretty much guaranteed to make dss go Nc altogether!

"And he cannot write while he is away." According to whom?

"One where you can’t have any contact with them while you are away."

A these are extremely rare! Most roles there's secure communication portals set up for serving people to communicate with their loved ones. It's not done completely altruistically - service folk who feel well supported in maintaining home links make more effective motivated soldiers/sailors/air personnel.

B people in these roles do other things eg writing 'letters' which they can't send at the time but act as a sort of diary which they do regularly and then send when they're back at base. Or write letters ahead of leaving to be sent at agreed periods to their family members and loved ones

C if he REALLY were in a role like this - he wouldn't even be allowed to tell you, let alone you say so on a public forum!

"Or it's just convenient to say that but isn't actually true" - exactly! Someone's bullshitting somewhere along the line.

For now - an honest conversation where the father honestly admits ALL his past failings is one thing, and may start the healing of the relationship, having a go at the dss is the absolute worst way to go.

Dh also needs to recognise it may take many years to repair the rift HE caused with HIS actions.

LadyRussell · 25/06/2018 22:24

Lunatrap

My ex husband was the most wonderful father when he was single.

When he met his new wife he cut his kids out of his life.

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LunaTrap · 25/06/2018 22:26

But you said that when he was in his first marriage your DSS had regular contact as part of the family unit. Are you saying that when he separated from his first wife he stopped bothering to ensure that DSS saw his siblings? So DSS not only lost his father for that period but also the family unit he had been part of.

LunaTrap · 25/06/2018 22:28

Yes OP it can go either way, neither are great tbh. He should have been a consistent and involved father regardless of his relationship status but he wasn't. He didn't prioritize his child, he can't expect any different in return.

LadyRussell · 25/06/2018 22:28

His wife moved from where they were based to the other end of the county.

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Thesearepearls · 25/06/2018 22:28

I do know an absolutely appalling parent. He's not a close friend for precisely this reason. He left his wife and DD, shacked up with someone else, refused to pay maintenance pleading poverty when they were really well off. Never saw his DD. You name it, he did it. Then he wrote to his DD when she was 25 and asked to see her. The response was "No thank you, I'm fine as a I am"

Kids remember neglect. They don't forget.

NotTakenUsername · 25/06/2018 22:30

Most of us would benefit from the gift of hindsight when it comes to our parenting.

Sounds like your dh could have benefited with some foresight before he made so many poor choices.

Two families, both with kids at separate ends of the country? Then another wife! Periods of extremely poor parenting, being explained away by the latest wife. To be honest, I’d say dss is entitled to quite a few missed golf dates before the score is settled. Dh would do well to put up and shut up and try his best to make amends.

NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 25/06/2018 22:42

I think he probably sees his DF going to some school stuff of his half siblings and is hurt that his Dad didn't do it with him too.

Even if his Dad couldn't help it - it doesn't stop the sadness he feels about it. Maybe it's an unhappy young man lashing out?

It's not kind or rational but often emotional reactions to hurt aren't.

MinorRSole · 25/06/2018 22:43

*The children lived with their mothers at opposite ends of the country. Rarely swing their father at the same time

Much easier for the RP to organise phone or Skype contact.*

You expect 2 women completely unrelated to each other to arrange contact because their father can't/won't! This is ridiculous. He should have arranged to have them at the same time, he's the common parent so that obligation is solely his. If he is away for all that time he must accrue bags of shore leave - he can use that!

TheFirstMrsOsmond · 25/06/2018 22:43

OP it is hard to understand why you started this thread.
You asked AIBU to think a grown man should not behave like that and people are saying, yes you are unreasonable because you should give more thought to the feelings of abandonment/anger/hurt which are prompting your DSS to behave in this way. But your response is just to say "I feel attacked on this thread". People are answering your question.

bastardkitty · 25/06/2018 22:44

I'm guessing it's really upsetting for you to read all of this OP and I'm sure that you know deep down that his actions were a long way short of what was acceptable.

Glumglowworm · 25/06/2018 22:45

Your DH sounds a bit of a shit dad. And at 22 you do judge your parents harshly. In this case it seems to be deserved.

Not sure why you feel it was the RPs responsibility to arrange for DH to phone or Skype his DC. That’s his responsibility.

I’m 33 now and I feel I have a pretty accurate view of my parents. It’s not the same view that I had at 22, even though they’re more or less the same as they were then. At 22 I was hurting and angry about certain things, which coloured my view.

I suspect DSS felt abandoned by his dad, and like he was always bottom of the pile of priorities, behind new wives, new kids, job, hobbies, etc. And yes it’s rude to cancel at short notice but he’s giving DH a small taste of how he felt growing up.

Dads that don’t bother to keep regular contact with their kids don’t deserve father’s day cards. Of course if his job prevented contact at times that’s unfortunate. But did DH honestly make as much effort as he could have when he wasn’t on postings? Or was he busy with new wives and new kids and DSS was an afterthought?

LadyRussell · 25/06/2018 22:47

So how was he supposed to have his kids at the same time?

Drive to get one child then take that child to the opposite end of the country to collect the other two then drive back to the middle of the country?

When he gets back he gets a week or two off then he has to go back to his base.

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LadyRussell · 25/06/2018 22:48

Not sure why you feel it was the RPs responsibility to arrange for DH to phone or Skype his DC. That’s his responsibility

To Skype their siblings - not him.

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MinorRSole · 25/06/2018 22:51

*So how was he supposed to have his kids at the same time?

Drive to get one child then take that child to the opposite end of the country to collect the other two then drive back to the middle of the country?*

Yep! Or use those flying machines, any military kid worth their salt has travelled as an unaccompanied minor more often than they can count!

LunaTrap · 25/06/2018 22:54

So where was he living if his kids were at opposite ends of the country?

CosmicCanary · 25/06/2018 22:56

I read your OP and though its pay back.
His dad never bothered with him or put him first when he was a child so now as an adult he has some power and can hurt his dad.

Have I missed an update where dad became good and took time to be with his child?

LadyRussell · 25/06/2018 22:56

Military do not pay for kids.

Paying two lots of maintenance and your own cabin eats up most of your wage.

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LunaTrap · 25/06/2018 22:59

Well you started by admitting he didn't do enough, but as the thread has gone on nothing is his fault or responsibility. Excuses aren't going to heal the rift with his son though. Maybe an acknowledgement of where he went wrong would help.

LadyRussell · 25/06/2018 23:00

LunaTrap

Would you like me to pm you my address so I can totally out myself?

Kids were North East and South and he was Scotland then Surrey then Scotland.

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CosmicCanary · 25/06/2018 23:01

His wife moved from where they were based to the other end of the county.

That was not her choice!

She would have been given 90 days to leave married quarters. She had to move and the MOD are not helpful in those circumstances.

Wow he has done a number on you. You believe the crap he comes out with.