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233 replies

Storm4star · 25/06/2018 15:17

I tend to go on this board and relationships. There are two thread's going on right now where meeting someone new in your 40s is mentioned. Now I know there are people who meet good partners at 40/50/60 and beyond! But lets get real here. The chances of meeting "Mr Right" are pretty slim at these ages. Some get lucky of course but it really isn't the same as being single in your 20's or even 30's.

I have several single, intelligent, nice and attractive friends. Only one has had a significant relationship in the 15 years I've know them! They can't all be "too fussy", they can't all be "loving" being single, well I know they're not as they often say they wish they could meet someone.

It isn't easy and I don't think we should pretend that it is. I've tried OLD on and off, and the (sometimes) single men are in roughly three groups:

  1. Young men wanting an older woman for sex
  2. Older men who haven't "achieved" ie they're living in a bedsit on minimum wage and aspire to be "cocklodgers"
  3. The tiny third group are decent looking men with a decent career. But they want a woman 10 years younger because they feel they deserve it for being a "good catch".

Being older and trying to meet someone decent of your own age is damn tough. Lets not try and pretend it isn't.

OP posts:
FreeMantle · 25/06/2018 19:02

Interesting to compare to lesbian relationships.

Is there a general downturn in older women dating too?

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 25/06/2018 19:02

Oh dear
Oh dear

I kind of get what she means though . Sorry but there is a reason I am on an almost permananent diet Sad

I think I need to hide this thread

ChameleonsInCarsGettingCoffee · 25/06/2018 19:17

Like a previous poster, I worked in a male dominated business so most of my friends are men. From my perspective, they're an entirely separate group to the 3 OP named.

They want a relationship, not just sex, so they don't qualify for group 1.

They own their own houses and have decent careers, so not cocklodger-ey enough for group 2.

They would (and have) dated older, younger and same age women. They also may not be considered "decent looking" by some, so they get ruled out of group 3.

They're in their 30s, own homes, but are probably considered to be chaff. Which of these things would put you off?
Beard?
Ginger?
5'5"?
Has a child he does 2 x 4 hour round trips to collect every other weekend?
Enjoys playing computer games?
Obese?
Watches the Grand Prix?

They're lovely and I'm lucky to have them as friends, and I feel sad that they get overlooked when they have so much to give.

possumgoddess · 25/06/2018 19:34

I met my wonderful husband OLD when I was in my mid 40s. He is a few years older than me but not many. He had a good job and I know there was at least one woman in the pub we went to who would have been very pleased to have slept with him so he wasn't desperate ( she was slimmer than me too). We took it slowly as we had both been married before but we fell in love and we are still very much in love now. Sickening I know but my only regret is that we didn't meet before so we could have had longer together. I'm not saying I didn't meet any men in the three categories OP described (well two of them anyway) but you can't label everyone and there are definitely some good ones out there.

Storm4star · 25/06/2018 19:54

@ChameleonsInCarsGettingCoffee

I’ll take the one that plays computer games 🤣

OP posts:
Ohmydayslove · 25/06/2018 20:19

the reality is most people in their early 40s have young children

Really? Not round my end. All my friends in their 40s have teenagers. I am 50 and have grandkids.

Anyway op it must be a bloody mine field but possumgoddess that’s a lovely post.

I think the post about the chaff was horrible.

Ohmydayslove · 25/06/2018 20:23

chameleons

Deffo Grand Prix guy. It’s every other week and a short season. Grin

Beard can be shaved,

Shorty will always be shorty and fatty will get fatter as happier in a relationship so no ditto the dad. Step kids a minefield. Computer games remind me of my adult sons Wink

Deffo Grand Prix man.

Storm4star · 25/06/2018 20:24

Imagine chameleons going to work tomorrow and saying to the guys, right, I have you all set up with women 🤣🤣

OP posts:
BringMeTea · 25/06/2018 20:41

Well for one I think OLD is probably not the place to find them. Oh God I don't know. I met my dh at 42. Married 2 years later, neither of us married before. I would never OLD. I just couldn't. Not at all suited to that. However I was living in a hot, busy city overseas so all ages are out and about not just the younger folk.

If you are in a remote town in the UK I can imagine it's much harder.

auditqueen · 25/06/2018 20:44

*It’s the chaff that struggle & that is being blunt.

Fucking hell, I just got called chaff*

Me too. Must go and tell my (45 yo, tall, hunky) partner that he needs to dump me forthwith and snap up a non-chaff woman.

Thank you so much for putting me in my place.

I would tag you, but I can't remember your name. Just read your post and decided to call you wanker.

WatermelonGlitter · 25/06/2018 20:49

Tbh, I think he's about the best I'm going to do.

You might not have meant it that way, but that doesn't sound hugely complimentary.

SandAndSea · 25/06/2018 20:52

Maybe I scraped in under the wire but I don't agree with you, OP. I'm speaking as someone who is in a happy LT relationship and believes that if I wasn't, I would find someone else. Maybe that's what makes the difference? (The belief, I mean.)

For sure, if I was single, I wouldn't be taking any advice from other single people.

ALongHardWinter · 25/06/2018 20:53

I know exactly what you mean. I'm 54,divorced for 18 years and came out of a long term relationship (4.5 years) last summer. I'm not actively 'looking for someone',however I sometimes think it would be nice to have that 'special someone'. But all the blokes that have expressed any interest in me are either quite a bit younger than me (early 40s) and childless and I know that going on the experience I had in my last relationship,it will probably become an issue for him,sooner or later. Or they are nearer to my age and have kids,but are only looking for a quick shag. Or,they are somewhat older than me and probably hoping for someone to look after them as they get older. I have more or less given up tbh.

longwayoff · 25/06/2018 20:54

An old man of 45+ seeking a size 6-12 'woman' is decidedly dubious. I'll be moderated off if I say any more.

Dorigen · 25/06/2018 21:00

Thank you, @Storm4star. I have not ventured into OLD, but maybe I will if I think there's a chance of meeting a nice older man...

auditqueen · 25/06/2018 21:11

For sure, if I was single, I wouldn't be taking any advice from other single people.

So who would you take advice from then? People who met their partners when they were very young and have never had to endure dating again in their 30's. Single people are not making this up you know.

I spent most of my 30's single after an abusive marriage. I listened more to my single friends than I did the long term married ones - who gave me lots of platitudes about how attractive I was but then failed to invite me to their couple things any more.

SandAndSea · 25/06/2018 22:10

@auditqueen - As with anything, I would look for advice from people who are successful at the thing I want to know about. I would try to learn everything I could about it. I would listen to happy couples and their stories. I would observe them myself too. I would enjoy and appreciate their happiness, knowing that that is there for me too - they're the proof that it's possible.

My DP was single for a long time before he met me. He didn't have that faith and didn't know what he was doing wrong. He really struggled to meet someone nice and good women just couldn't see him. He's lovely, good looking, working, solvent, funny etc. But he barely knows that, even now, and was clueless about dating and all that. To quote the Millionaire Matchmaker, 'his picker was off'. Tbh, I was much the same years ago but have worked on this. It starts with belief.

SandAndSea · 25/06/2018 22:15

@auditqueen - To clarify, I'm not saying don't talk to single people, I'm saying do what works.

Thehop · 25/06/2018 22:25

Agreed

Homemadearmy · 25/06/2018 22:47

I’m in my mid 40s and I’ve been single 10 years and to men I’m pretty much invisible. I would love to meet someone and I’m pretty miserable pretending to be happily single. But I’m a realist and I know there isn’t anyone out there for me. I have children, rent, work in a minimum wage job and I’m overweight. I stand no chance and I’m really trying to be okay with that. I’m very lucky as I have my children so I’m never really lonely.

shinycat · 25/06/2018 23:14

I think a lot of (single) women are the same as you @Homemadearmy

And I agree with the OP in the things she is saying.

What a vile comment about calling any woman who is more than a size 12 'chaff.' Chaff is basically worthless and pointless rubbish. Shame on your @DuchyDuke. Hmm

shinycat · 25/06/2018 23:14

I think a lot of (single) women are the same as you @Homemadearmy

And I agree with the OP in the things she is saying.

What a vile comment about calling any woman who is more than a size 12 'chaff.' Chaff is basically worthless and pointless rubbish. Shame on your @DuchyDuke. Hmm

SandAndSea · 25/06/2018 23:18

@Homemadearmy

I’m a realist and I know there isn’t anyone out there for me.

I have to question this. How is this realism?

There are literally millions of men out there!

Lots of overweight people have happy relationships too!

A friend of mine went bankrupt, lost her house, was very overweight, unwell etc etc. She met a very wealthy man and they got married and are still together now about 10 years on. It's not about the weight or the renting or any of that shit. Please trust me on this.

shinycat · 25/06/2018 23:24

@Sandandsea

There are literally millions of men out there!

Lots of overweight people have happy relationships too!

A friend of mine went bankrupt, lost her house, was very overweight, unwell etc etc. She met a very wealthy man and they got married and are still together now about 10 years on. It's not about the weight or the renting or any of that shit. Please trust me on this.

Are you being serious right now? Confused

You know this happens to almost NO-ONE right???

user1490607838 · 25/06/2018 23:25

Completely agree with the OP and many others on here.

As someone said further upthread, many men who are single past 40 are single because they have cheated, and/or they are a nightmare to live with and lazy and entitled etc, and their wife has kicked them out. So this is what many of the men looking for a woman are going to be like.

I heard one woman say the other week, that they went on a date with a man they met online, and the first thing he asked is 'can you cook?!' Confused All many men are looking for is someone to wait hand and foot on them.

The women who are single are women who have got rid of men like this, and have licked their wounds after a few years, and come out looking again.

And it is true that many men seem to want younger women. And it is so so so hard for any woman over 45 to find a decent man. I am so glad to be in a LTR (married nearly 30 years,) and would not even attempt to try and find someone else if DH left me or died. (And I couldn't be arsed anyway.........) Because women have such a hard time trying to find love/a relationship past 45.

This is why it makes my bloody blood boil when I see people say 'leave the bastard,' 'plenty more fish in the sea,' and 'so WHAT if you're 52, you're just a wee spring chicken - most men will be banging your door down for a relationship with a woman who's hurtling towards her mid 50's!'

I said something like this the other day and got shot down in flames... but it's pretty true, and I don't think it's offensive to say it.

Why do some people on here act like an age like 50-ish is 'nothing' and that they know women who look 30 at that age, and who have a gorgeous and fit young professional man who treats them like a princess!

Fact is, many men are not looking for a woman past middle age when they are on the hunt for women. Not even past 40 usually.

I am not being mean; I am in my mid 50's myself, and I KNOW I would struggle to find a man now. I am chubby (size 18,) I have an average job with an average salary, average qualifications, and very little savings to speak of. I am going grey at the temples, I don't have the fit figure I used to have, and I haven't had a wolf whistle in 20 years.

I also haven't been chatted up by a man in 20-21 years. They are courteous and friendly to towards me, but never romantically interested in me. So I know if my DH left me, I reckon I'd be lucky to get a man at all!

As I said though, I wouldn't want anyone anyway. I just couldn't be arsed with the hassle of a new relationship, and trying to get used to someone else. I am too set in my ways, and although I love DH and he loves me, I couldn't be arsed with anyone else..........

The people who think women can get a man 'just like that' are the same people who think you can retrain for a new career at 53, because 'you're just a spring chicken,' and employers are going to be banging the door down to employ a 59 y.o. woman with an open university degree she took 6 years to get!! And of COURSE it's perfectly acceptable to start having babies at 46. I know loads of people who have done it.' hmm Mumsnet is like a parallel universe sometimes.

As I said, I am not age bashing - I am in my 50's myself, and I can tell you it is NOT a 'young' age to start over. I know some people will come out with a story of this person and that person who met 'the one' at 59-60' but to be honest that is the exception rather than the rule.

Hope I haven't offended anyone. And I do think that women who struggle to find a man after the age of 40-45 should not beat themselves up or think they are 'CHAFF' Hmm it's because it's so so so hard to do! Many 40+ women I know are amazing, funny, sexy, intelligent women, but men of roughly their age, want a Holly Fucking Willoughby lookalike who can cook and will shag them 10 times a week! Grin

Not been single for 35 years, but I do empathise and feel for the women who want to be in a relationship, and are single (long term, and into their 40's...)