...to remind people about today's march against Brexit

[twofingerstoEverything]

...starting at 12 o clock from Pall Mall.

(Piccadilly, Green Park and Charing Cross station are the nearest tubes.)

Ironic (in a sad way) that you think the WWII refugee crisis was better organised.

I shouldn't question your theories about the so called massive humanitarian rescue of Jews in WW2, unless I have a Syrian living in my home?

Is that what you're actually trying to say?

Wow.

Quite silly to think that it wasn’t better organised in comparison, unless of course you can show me any kind of organisation or thought through action in 2015 (or even now 4 years later) to the contrary.

Not sure anything was particularly organised up to and after WWII @time4chocolate . Just because it looks like a neat timeline in a book doesn't mean the reality was like that. It's my parents' generation so not school book history for us. Or Wikipedia.
We wouldn't do a kindertransport today, we'd take whole families with children. Which is what the UN tried to organise.

Bellini - yes but that’s the difference, trains were organised, homes were arranged where possible, provisions were put in place.

In comparison what we have ended up with in the last 4 years is not helping the genuine refugees but is open house, it wasn’t organised in any way and I would put money on it ending up in one big human trafficking disaster.

Oh yeah, it was great time

www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/08/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

If you’re not a fan of the guardian, then I suggest Primo Levi. His descriptions of travelling through post war Europe are illuminating.

I didn’t say it was great so don’t put words in my mouth.

@time4chocolate . Seriously wasn't like what you think. As for "organised trains etc" - this was volunteers making it up as they went along. The idea that German refugee children got a warm and organised welcome here is laughable if it wasn't so sad.

So the trains appeared without any organisation??

The idea that German refugee children got a warm and organised welcome here is laughable if it wasn't so sad

And where did I imply that??

This is getting silly now, fortunately I am going off to work.

Hercules Poirot is the construct of a post-WWI refugee from Belgium. Look up how they fared when they came here.
This stuff is complicated. We are better at it now than we were. But we ain't great.

Who organised the trains? Who do you think sorted all this stuff? You are so naive. Have a nice day at work.

So there was an element of organisation then.

I will try thanks.

If you only see headlines you assume no one is trying to organise anything.

"Merkel has run the EU for the past decade"

Well no she hasn't, other wise other countries would have taken their fair share of refugees. Remember that one of the reasons that the refugees were allowed to go to Germany in the first place was to remove pressure from Greece and Italy.

Her influence is not crumbling, yet again someone on MN shows their ignorance of politics outside the UK. Just like when they blame the rise of the populist right wing on the 2015 migrant crisis when all but the Government of Italy were already in power or have been in recent coalitions, prior to 2015. Its just an exercise in confirmation bias.

Remember that one of the reasons that the refugees were allowed to go to Germany in the first place was to remove pressure from Greece and Italy.

And why did Germany have to remove the pressure from Greece?

Just like when they blame the rise of the populist right wing on the 2015 migrant crisis when all but the Government of Italy were already in power or have been in recent coalitions, prior to 2015. Its just an exercise in confirmation bias.

The populist right wing parties (including UKIP) have been bubbling under the surface across Europe for many years, 2015 added fuel to the fire and they rode in on it big time and continue to do so (with the exception of UKIP ). This is an interesting breakdown

www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-europe-populist-right/

"And why did Germany have to remove the pressure from Greece?"

Because Greece was at the forefront of the migrant crisis, other countries were less willing to help.

Please don't conflate this with the Greek sovereign debt crisis.

Populist right wing parties are fueled by a media and other factors which seek to fulfill another agenda, their supporters are merely useful pawns in a long game.

Which brings us back to Brexit.

Please don't conflate this with the Greek sovereign debt crisis

Can I ask why not?

Yes it does bring us back to Brexit.

"Can I ask why not?"

Because the Greek Sovereign debt crisis and the migrant crisis are two different issues.

Populist right wing parties are fueled by a media and other factors which seek to fulfill another agenda, their supporters are merely useful pawns in a long game.

What isn’t fuelled by the media these days in one form or another and with their own agendas. Unless we take a leaf out of North Korea’s book there is not a lot anyone can do about it.

Because the Greek Sovereign debt crisis and the migrant crisis are two different issues

Yes and also No. I believe the situation is often referred to as a ‘tale of two crises’ for Greece and just a matter of months apart.

Which brings me back to my posts of earlier, I think the open door policy was ill thought out.

Her influence is not crumbling

Really?

The country’s three-month-old coalition could soon collapse after hours of talks between the German Chancellor and her Bavarian allies on Tuesday failed to resolve the migrant crisis row.

Ms Merkel now heads to an EU summit in Brussels on Thursday - with some suggesting it could be her last - hoping that her European allies will at least help her find a solution to the problem that has threatened her leadership.

But even sympathisers have questioned whether this will even be enough to ensure her survival.

One adviser to an EU premier told the Financial Times: “I don’t want to predict how it ends. Some will say: let her suffer and let her fall.

“ She has tonnes of enemies around the table who would be happy to see her gone. They will have no pity.”

Oh Using the express as a source? Fucking bravo

In fact there was a risk of the government collapsing a week ago, it didn't, but Merkel may have hung on as Chancellor.

Confirm your bias walking dead doesn't make you correct.

Unattributed quotes: made up sh!t to appeal to the readership.

Didn’t have time to post yesterday but here is an opinion piece from yesterday’s Guardian:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/29/the-guardian-view-on-the-eu-migration-deal-fault-lines-in-the-fortress

I hope everyone who went along to the march had a good day. I certainly did although a long day. There were 19 coaches just from Yorkshire as well as many others who travelled by train or car.

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