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...to remind people about today's march against Brexit

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twofingerstoEverything · 23/06/2018 09:16

...starting at 12 o clock from Pall Mall.

(Piccadilly, Green Park and Charing Cross station are the nearest tubes.)

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54321go · 24/06/2018 18:50

While virtually no one on the planet knows what TM and Westminster is actually up to you can be sure that the bosses of companies will have a pretty good plan up their sleeve, even if it means ditching the staff.
If you have worked hard to build up a company you don't throw it away.
Owners and senior management read proper, world based information, not tabloid newspapers.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 24/06/2018 18:54

Owners and senior management read proper, world based information, not tabloid newspapers
They also have political and personal agendas.

Jezebel101 · 24/06/2018 18:57

"What is so scary about companies renting an office in Dublin. Don't most international companies have offices in countries they operate in? Would seem to be pretty normal to me."

They're not just renting offices; they're re-locating from the UK to ROI so that they remain in the EU. They're moving out of the UK altogether.

I've got a relative in commercial real estate, it's a new market all it's own. There are also new multinationals setting up in ROI having discarded the UK as a viable base and they specifically quote Brexit as the reason.

I honestly don't think people are prepared for what's going to happen, I think it's going to be worse than the most pessimistic estimates. Foreign investors don't have any particular loyalty to anything other than the money, and they're not going to invest in a country that isolates itself when they can embed themselves in the entire EU marketplace elsewhere.

54321go · 24/06/2018 19:12

Of course they have personal 'agendas' they want to keep putting bread on their own table. If they see Mrs May and gang trying to take that away they will do whatever is necessary. If you don't understand this then you truly are lost. Get away from the tabloid crap and just think what is going on. Big companies (who don't get big by reading the Beano) have plans years in advance on what they want to achieve, the path is marked out and they have to steer around changing legislation and a host of bits and pieces. Brexit represents a sudden say 10 percent rise in costs (extra Customs and paperwork). They will have a plan. Part of that plan in some cases will be to leave the UK and as Jezebel is saying, organising property in Ireland (EU).
IF, and it is a big IF, Mrs May manages to find a really good deal, then those renting can move back 'easily' but some may not take the risk and just move completely now. The concept of a 'family run company' here for generations is largely stuff of Emmerdale. Business is fierce and things have changed. If the chips are down the owners will take the money and run. You may wish to think of it as 'project fear', they think of it as project saving my ass.

Jezebel101 · 24/06/2018 19:19

Another unintended side effect of Brexit is NI. If a hard border goes up then the RoI business will be severely impacted, and one of the poorest areas of the UK is going to get substantially poorer - and it's going to be Downing Street who passes off the cost of supporting it to the British taxpayer. It's going to be disastrous for NI, and the financial impact will reverberate around the entire UK.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 24/06/2018 19:20

They're moving out of the UK altogether
Its been 2 years since the vote, which multinational companies have left the UK altogether?

Of course they have personal 'agendas' they want to keep putting bread on their own table,
Seriously, you think the board of multi national companies make decisions about the long term health of the company rather that their own short term multi million pound bonuses? Did you live on the moon during the financial crisis?

lljkk · 24/06/2018 19:26

Won't big companies just split selves into different... not sections, they have a fancy word instead, but basically different parts that are semi-autonomous. Intellectual property can move seamlessly over borders, but anything that requires goods will be completely restructured.

How Britain's "Just in Time" manufacturing and consumer goods supply will manage, I totally don't know. Maybe countryside will be covered with warehouses for all the "Just in case" goods that get into UK at unpredictable times.

lljkk · 24/06/2018 19:31

which multinational companies have left the UK altogether?

Does it have to be "altogether" to be unacceptably bad, can we just be unhappy about parts and whole headquarters going?

Unilever & Goldman Sachs are big ones came to mind.
List of supply chains moving out of UK.

Biber · 24/06/2018 19:40

The march was about the People's Vote.

Leave voters deserve a vote on the final outcome as do remain voters and those who didn't know what to vote.

Please sign the petition www.peoples-vote.uk/petition

Jezebel101 · 24/06/2018 19:53

Don't shoot the messenger! There are companies formulating an exit strategy for when the time comes, and one CEO of a medium sized company I'm aware of is 'hoping for the best, preparing for the worst'.

It doesn't help that it all looks extremely ill-thought out and disorganized from the outside.

I've no skin in the game, I'm just an interested observer. There's some amount of denial going on in the minds of some of the most staunch Brexiters, and while I hope for the sake of the UK generally that they get what they think they will, most market analysts will be putting their money on it being an absolute disaster that will more than a decade to recover from, if it does at all.

That's not spreading gloom, that's the view from outside the UK among international analysts. I'd say there's a few who voted leave (and apparently googled 'what is the eu' when the result came in) who will be paying the price for the rest of their lives.

54321go · 24/06/2018 20:18

[Of course they have personal 'agendas' they want to keep putting bread on their own table,
Seriously, you think the board of multi national companies make decisions about the long term health of the company rather that their own short term multi million pound bonuses?]

Now try thinking about your paragraph properly.
ALL the board want to keep making as much money for as long as possible, that's what they do. Yes they may take out large dividends but not to the point where the company struggles through lack of cash. Once they have house/car/whatever their 'big payoff' is likely to be in protected bonds so if it goes belly up they get their cut first.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 24/06/2018 20:43

I think we shall have no choice but to become some sort of tax haven for companies

Financial institutions might be looked after to some extent that doesn’t mean investment will be placed elsewhere where it is needed

54321go · 24/06/2018 20:53

Tax havens were mentioned earlier, this thread or another. It won't really work, I can't remember why.

juneau · 25/06/2018 18:12

It's been reported in the financial press on several occasions that American investment banks, who have their European headquarters in London, are scoping out alternative locations and Dublin is the obvious choice - English-speaking, closer to the US than the UK is, close historical ties between the US and Ireland. Frankfurt and Paris are other cities hoping to attract institutions fleeing London.

Helmetbymidnight · 25/06/2018 18:31

Thats because of political and personal agendas, say brexiteers.

Or, fuck jobs, we’ll have control instead.

Figmentofmyimagination · 25/06/2018 18:31

If wages and currency fall in the uk, we could still provide a low paid workforce to service the requirements of Eire? Bit of a comedown. Would have to do something to get around our lack of freedom of movement however.

Helmetbymidnight · 25/06/2018 18:34

I dunno about you guys but I trust the brexiteer millionaires to always put working people first.
Hmm

twofingerstoEverything · 25/06/2018 19:38

Inside the minds of some Brexiteers... Responses to Saturday's march in the Daily Mail's comments section...

...to remind people about today's march against Brexit
...to remind people about today's march against Brexit
...to remind people about today's march against Brexit
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twofingerstoEverything · 25/06/2018 19:40

And...
(not saying all leavers are like this, but there are some "interesting" views being expressed...)

...to remind people about today's march against Brexit
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LARLARLAND · 25/06/2018 19:46

Stop the press...right wing views found in the comments section of the Daily Mail Grin

twofingerstoEverything · 25/06/2018 19:51

Stop the press...right wing views found in the comments section of the Daily Mail

Oh, that makes it alright then Hmm

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LARLARLAND · 25/06/2018 19:54
Grin
Helmetbymidnight · 25/06/2018 20:12

People keep saying everyone needs to listen to brexiteers. that’s mostly what you can hear.

Figmentofmyimagination · 25/06/2018 20:21

They're not 'right wing' views though are they? They are racist, fascist, thuggish views. Might as well call a spade a spade.

LARLARLAND · 25/06/2018 20:32

They are pretty right wing in my view!