...to remind people about today's march against Brexit

[twofingerstoEverything]

...starting at 12 o clock from Pall Mall.

(Piccadilly, Green Park and Charing Cross station are the nearest tubes.)

54321go I can understand that! But from a Brit's POV, regardless of class, it's somewhat of an own goal.

54321go

Cameron failed to get a deal after parliament agreed to a referendum just the date hadn’t been given (it had to be done by end of 2017)

Again he and the EU were ignorant to how many people were feeling

Th EU have had a wake up call with increase of far right populist groups gaining in popularity this is now having an impact on policy

It’s all been an own goal. I think people get that now. The ignored and the abused sections of society wanted to give David Cameron a bloody nose, not really imagining Brexit would ever happen, and two years down the line we’re in an absolute mess.

54321go - an in/out EU referendum has been in all three main party manifestos at one time or another over the past 20 years. Cameron was the one to actually deliver on it but anti EU sentiment had been rumbling for a long time. This is an article from 2013.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/06/david-cameron-eu-referendum-election

www.libdemvoice.org/the-surprising-truth-about-that-lib-dem-inout-eu-referendum-leaflet-32686.html

The EU being ignorant of how the people of the UK won't be correct, they can read English, but it is the responsibility of the individual countries to sort their own issues (The EU may make suggestions but can't dictate, see also Sovereignty).
It is also quite understandable that 'people' will not be happy with the EU particularly if they don't understand the bigger picture rather than the farcical straight bananas. The EU strives for as near to 'harmony' as it can manage across the European countries. The little 'EU funded' plaques that appear are a fairly low key reminder of where some help came from, it is shameful that people won't even acknowledge this.
Most if not all countries have a 'far right' and it is an increasing problem across Europe. It needs a concerted effort from all to contain it. Leaving a significant ally will not help the UK in this respect and it might be argued that as the UK gets further into economic difficulty, largely CAUSED by Brexit that the far right in the UK will gain more traction. Unemployed youth with no prospects are dangerous.

Maybe towns across the UK should have plaques that say 'Abandoned by UK Government'?

Cameron went to the EU requesting changes and was basically ignored

It was up the the EU to see the issues what is happening across all countries

If they had been more flexible we might not be leaving now. Now that the far right have quite a hold in European politics and that rise had been very quick in the last few years they are having to be

And totally agree it was our governments that ignored many areas of the country. I live in London and we live in a bubble here we really do (not that we r don’t have other issues) but there is work there is wealth around and investment some area of the country there is so little of course people to that chance for real change why wouldn’t they

Ha ha, march is while England play?

Ah no, it was yesterday, how did it go? (Never read anything about it?)

It’s all been an own goal. I think people get that now.

Well, some do. My DM and DSF, who both voted for Brexit and own a house in France are still staunchly pro. It's like that programme I watched in the weeks leading up the referendum where a load of retirees on the Costa del Sol were all saying they were going to vote for Brexit and that 'They'll work it out'. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.

What was Cameron wanting from the EU?

Never read anything about it

It was on the BBC, the Guardian and The Independent.

I wonder if the Daily Mail and The Express covered it - and what they had to say.

Quick check

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/978602/Brexit-news-Remain-London-protest-march-UK-EU-withdrawal-Lord-Kerr-Article-50-video

They quoted someone saying it was mutiny to protest.

Never read anything about it

It has been in all the newspapers and was the top news item on the BBC/ITV/Channel 4 and Sky news bulletins!

Can’t remember exactly what he asked for

Came back with very little

With a looming referendum it wasn’t wise to go in for negotiations neither was it wise to ignore what was happening here in the uk given we had just had an election with a party doing very well who supported the UK leaving

there is still plenty of information about this on the bbc web site. short memories will also have forgotten the leaflet sent to every house about why remain was the right answer.

the eu would not negotiate while we were members so it did not seem reasonable to expect anything if we left.

The leaflet that cost £9m of taxpayers money and didn’t even mention Northern Ireland.

Summary of what Cameron asked for and what he got.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

In essence:

1. He wanted exemption for the UK from any further political union. He was granted this with the agreement that it would be written into any further treaties.

2. He wanted to limit the in-work benefits EU workers could claim within the first four years they lived in the UK, the so-called "emergency brake", which he wanted to last for a 13 year duration. He wanted EU workers that had not found work within 6 months to be sent home (already allowed during existing EU regulations!!) He did not want EU migrants to be able to send child benefit back to their home countries.
   He was granted the emergency brake, but only for seven years not thirteen. He was not granted the ability to forbid EU migrants to send their child benefit back home, but the agreement was made that child benefit payments had to be linked to the cost of living in the country the child was living in.

3. He wanted explicit recognition that there are multiple currencies within the EU, that the UK would not have to bail out Eurozone countries in difficulties and that the UK could opt out of further financial union.
   The UK was guaranteed exemption from bailing out Eurozone countries and would be reimbursed from any central EU funds that were used to prop up the Euro. He was granted the language he wanted regarding different currencies existing within the EU. He was not granted an opt-out on financial union as this could give UK institutions a special status and remove the level playing field on which the internal market is based.

4. He wanted to reduce the burden of "excessive red-tape" on single market regulations.
   He was granted more than he had asked for on this.

So in fact, the UK, which already enjoyed a special status within the EU, was granted most of the extra concessions it asked for, but with a few adjustments on the benefits to EU workers and they weren't granted a special status for UK financial institutions. The only problem was the presentation in the right-wing media. Anything short of a complete block on freedom of movement from the EU to the UK, while retaining full rights for UK citizens to move to the EU would have been unacceptable to the DM and its ilk.

We had a bloody good deal made even better and we still walked away. I find it unbelievable. We will never be in such a privileged position again.

that isnt what the bbc analysts and others thought.

had there been a 'screwed either way' box I would have ticked it.

@Children, Thank you.
Presuming your summary is accurate (not doubting it) it seems pretty fair to me.
Other EU countries have a 3 month limit on finding work.

I thought he came back with less

But let’s be honest it was the elephant in the room that wasn’t approached freedom of movement

I am well aware that this is an integral part of being in the EU but with such opposition something needed to be done. Anna Soubry admitted this was the migrant mistake in the Remain campaign to sweep this issues under the carpet instead they concentrated on the Bus slogan which I am sure was Boris’s intention all along which was great for him and different numbers were being banded about

If we are not prepared to understand why people vote the way they do if we are not prepared to listen and discuss people’s dears no matter how much we disagree this is what happens, this is how Trump got in and this is why the far right are gaining a frightening amount of support in Europe

Biggest mistake

Not sure how it changed to migrant

Theres been a massive surge in UK based companies buying and renting property in Dublin. Basically they need to stay in the EU and are moving key personnel over, buying residential and commercial property to maintain an EU base. It's accelerating month-on-month and it's going to result in a lot of multi-nationals as well as currently UK based commerce leaving the UK permanently.

How anyone thought Brexit would translate to more jobs is beyond me, it lacks even the vaguest semblance of logic to think that the UK would be an attractive base for international businesses having alienated their largest markets.

Between Brexit and Trump, there's a lot of bad decisions being made lately on the basis of what people think is autonomy but is just isolationism.

What is so scary about companies renting an office in Dublin. Don't most international companies have offices in countries they operate in? Would seem to be pretty normal to me.

It suggests that they are nervous and are planning an 'escape route'.
Company bosses and key staff would get out but if it is a company with a lot of lower paid workers they will just be dumped. Maybe not immediately but after a while.
Other EU countries, including Ireland that has done this a lot over the last 30 years or so are likely to offer generous grants and assistance to relocate. IBM computers in late 1980's had factories (final assembly I think) in Ireland giving them a 'European' presence.

It suggests that they are nervous and are planning an 'escape route'.
or it could suggest something else, you just seem to be jumping to project fear the conclusion that will best support your desire to stop Brexit.