Please make sure children are wearing appropriate clothing

[Damnthatdog]

No mini skirts or crop tops, yr 6 leavers party.

So not children, but girls. Please make sure girls aren’t wearing anything which could be deemed provocative. Which is how it reads to me.

AIBU or not?

For Gods sake, common sense has left the building. Everybody should be able to wear what they like? I dont think so. Children need guidance. Whether or not its a pleasant topic dressing in certain ways may provoke certain reactions.

It's because girls are more likely to wear skimpy clothing.

Some people really look for things to take offence over.

By this standard I hope you are the same people who leaves their houses unlocked and piles of gold around because it’s up to thieves not to take stuff???!

Very good point. Sums up why I hate the 'I can wear a bikini and walk alone at 2am because no one should attack or rape me..."

What do teachers do when taking year 6 on overnight stays? Surely then they get to see pupils in their underwear and nightwear?

I'm responding to the suggestion that girls should be able to choose what they wear and that what other people think is irrelevant.

In that case, why should a girl be able to wear a croptop and mini-skirt to go bowling but not a bikini?

If the teacher arrived in a mini skirt and low crop top, low slung trousers that showed underwear, then that would be inappropriate, would it not?

Teachers on overnight stays will have been DBs checked so you'd hope to have weeded out any paedophiles.

If this party is at a public bowling alley the staff have no idea what other adults will be at the venue.

Well since you think that Diego why don't you answer your own question?

Since when do we compare adults and childrenswear?

Would posters also encourage their teenage daughter to take a short cut down a dark lane late at night.
I mean, she should have a right to walk anywhere she likes without risking being attacked or raped, so why teach her that it might be dangerous to do so?

Can you then explain to me what the difference is in allowing a 10/11 year old to go to the beach/swimming pool party in a bikini or a swimsuit and the going to a bowling party in a mini skirt and a crop top?

A swimsuit is appropriate for swimming and the mini skirt and crop top aren't appropriate for bowling. Thank God I grew up in the 60s and 70s without this shit. I loved playing hockey (in a hockey skirt) and did athletics in tiny shorts. I never had harassment because I was wearing the kit for the job.

placemats
Even in secondary I've had to go into student rooms (I can still recall holding hair back at 2am as a student was throwing up. Everyone was in nightwear). Door open, never alone with a child, preferably 2 members of staff present. We've been DBS checked and safeguardin training ensures that everyone in a situation is safe. Nothing like this trip.

I dont think the worry is over teachers seeing children in for example nightwear during a residential.
Perhaps the school has previous experience of these events becoming a competitive fashion show and wished to establish ground rules.

Reasonable enough. Children need guidance

I've done the same MaisyPops

DBS and safeguarding training.

Okay?

so placemats, having done the training and having a good understanding of things what is your point?

How about just raising girls not to feel they have to wear mini skirts and crop tops just to do something fun like go bowling

How about raising boys in such a way that when they are men they will not think that they are entitled to take photos of little girls or boys, or entitled to rape them? That way, if a girl wished to wear a mini skirt or a crop top she could do so without the risk of being blamed for something that is actually the responsibility of adult men.

Would posters also encourage their teenage daughter to take a short cut down a dark lane late at night.

This discussion is on 10 and 11 year old girls.

My 18 year old at university, a teenage girl, would never have done this.

Please keep on topic.

Since when do we compare adults and childrenswear?
We don't when childrenswear is childrenswear.
When childrenswear starts becoming little versions of women's fashion (with all of the socialisation and sexualisation and baggage pushed by the media and society) then it's fairly sensible to question the values behind such socialisation and whether it's appropriate to be willingly throwing children into such stereotypes and standards.

Put it this way, if I compare image discussions between some of my more image conscious teens at school. Image conscious boys tend to want the right brand on their t shirt, the 'best' trainers. The right belts or watches to show status. Thr focus tends to be on status and not looking poor (average middle class area, not loaded). For the girls, it's about fake tan, fake nails, drawing their eyebrows in, whether some reality TV woman does/doesn't look hot. Their focus is predominantly on altering their looks to fit in with a media pushed version of attractive and sexy.
The boys have been socialised to link their looks to status.
The girls have been socialised to link their looks to a set version physical attractiveness and sex appeal.

Neither is neutral. Would I feel happy affirming the 'girls are attractive and this is what attractive looks like' slant to 10 year old girls? No.

What's your point Petrol

And who the feck are you?

Wearing a nappy is sexualised and a niche in porn and has been for decades.

I am a person reading this and trying to make sense of it. Thanks.

Perhaps the school has previous experience of these events becoming a competitive fashion show and wished to establish ground rules.

The way to end this is to abolish uniforms. Uniform does not teach children how to dress. It just elevates civvies to the level of forbidden fruit.

My DCs went to a non uniform high school in the US. Nobody bothered about fashion.
www.pennlive.com/news/2018/03/students_to_send_message_throu.html
Not my DCs' school but this ^^ is typical daily clothing.

possibly so but there isnt really the opportunity to abolish uniform in this school in the space of 24 hours. Therefore the letter home is sensible.