To think MN needs its feminists?

[crunchymint]

Sites like MN need its users to generate content. We are its product. All services need something unique about them to differentiate themselves from the competition. At one time what differentiated MN from its competitors was that there were more intelligent discussions on here.
Now the same type of discussions happen on MN as elsewhere.

What differentiates MN from its competitors are the large number of feminists on here. That is what is unique about this site. To keep going as a decent ongoing commercial concern, MN needs its feminists. Otherwise it has nothing to differentiate it from other sites.

N.B What differentiates NM is that its local sites are far superior to any other site.

Knock yourself out if it gratifies you rat but it adds nothing at all to the discussion of concrete issues.

I'm really angry at the outrageous dismissal of women's concerns and women's health. I'm devastated that policy-makers listen to people with such a callous approach.

Let's not forget, this was you.

Unless there is a lot more to this story it's hardly a tear-jerker is it. Woman delays non-urgent test? Please

You were sneering, Rat, not angry. The only thing making you rage now is that we are filleting your arguments.

A woman saying she was traumatised by a man in a woman's space? You think that's not transphobic if the person with Y chromosomes has self identified as a woman?

Pratchet did you read the actual words I wrote? Did you read, specifically, the Unless.There.Is.A.Lot.More.To.This.Story? Honestly, what's the point in the English language, because that's the only thing you're making a hack-job of.

You repeatedly described a woman not being able to have a smear test because a male was presenting as a woman as 'an inconvenience'.

Over multiple posts you mocked and ridiculed the fact that women would either miss out on vital medical care or undergo an unwanted invasive traumatic experience, and minimised this as 'hardly a tear jerker'.

We all read these multiple posts; shouting now about how furious you are doesn't overwrite that.

You repeatedly described a woman not being able to have a smear test because a male was presenting as a woman as 'an inconvenience'.

What would call having to rearrange your smear test?

Wow, this thread has taken a turn for the worse in last posts. Maybe take a breather?

I find the comment of Ireland interesting, as Ireland has a combination of self id and biological sex. You can id all you want, but certain services are barred. Now this is what I would like to see.
in a lot of areas in life biological sex doesn't matter. In other areas services need to change to accomadate, like gender neutral cubical toilets, no more communal changing rooms, no more curtains in changing rooms in shops. These will need to be written in law otherwise companies will not fork out the money to get the services up to scratch. Then you can sue if they don't safegaurd on their own premises.
Then there are services that are only for one sex, like priesthood and prisons in Ireland. Also thinking of refuges, wards, healthcare etc. Because there sex matters.
Sports I would say single sex until more research is done and we know women aren't being put at a disadvantage. Otherwise it is just cheating.

Sounds fair, right?

"Sounds fair, right?"

No, @sanluca , not really.

Laws about curtains in changing rooms? Sounds like absolute nonsense. Will we have changing room inspectors?

Using "safeguard" makes it even more nonsensical although I get it is a key word on MN at the moment. Safeguarding issues because of a curtain in Topshop?

How do you propose to remove the pressure or coercion of someone's wanting a procedure? Because that is surely the nature of the "pressure" you're referring to?

The patient is put in a vulnerable position because the onus is on them to say yes and there is a pressure to say yes. social pressure, situational pressure, label it what you like. The patient should not be in that situation. We’ve seen so many threads like this - I didn’t realise I could say no to induction, or ECV, or forceps. I wasn’t given the option, etc etc.

Correct consent would be given ONLY is a pressure free situation where the patient has a right to say no and their care will not be compromised. When the HCP is in the room and the patient has to refuse and face embarrassment etc that’s too late. It’s not ok.

Actually, For the patient to have to rearrange actually would also count as pressure in a GCP regulated environment because it would count as compromising care. Any compromising of care would breach the rules.

This situation would not be tolerated in a highly regulated environment.

To reiterate - if a patient has requested a same sex provider and the HCP provided is not one the patient sees as the same sex as them, we need to ask WHY this was done. Because it’s not putting the patient first.

Oh I think we all get that you're angry rat, we're just no sorrier about you being angry than you are.

Trip, please don't @ me, I don't need anymore emails in my mailbox.

Funny that you picked the changing room curtains to make fun of my post. I was actually more thinking of communal changing rooms in gyms, schools and swimming pools, where you are more likely to be naked. Especially in the pools. I would like to think that pools with limited funding would update their changing areas but somehow I don't think they will so then we have women sharing with transwomen and men sharing with transmen. I don't think that is a comfortable situation for anyone, do you?

Sad to see a proposal to compromise shot down like that. Does make me wonder where the end goal is for some.

Rat.

What would you call 'a lot more'?

You want 'a lot more' before you can deign to find it unacceptable that a woman is forced to delay an early cancer detection screening?

Who do you think you are, seriously? Why aren't you listening?

I don't think that the transadvocacy on this thread has been enormously effective.

I would consider myself to be a feminist in that I believe in equality for men and women and that we have not anywhere near achieved this yet. However, on MN, many of those who identify themselves as "feminists" just seem to focus on being anti-transgender which is something MN could do without. I certainly can't be bothered to read anything on the feminism board nowadays. I see that this thread has turned into another debate about being transgender too.

@sanluca

Sorry.

Equality? What, you want women to be able to commit as many rapes and murders as men with impunity? You want young women to have the same suicide rates?

How about we work to change the entire patriarchal system that's brought this about? Feminists want liberation.

"Feminists want liberation."

Entirely untrue.

Women are liberated. They now misguidedly want reparations and equality of outcome.

Yet again a thread descends into a transgender debate* even though it started out as nothing of the sort.

I wonder if it's even possible to start a thread about feminist issues that won't go that way, despite cries of "Well if you want to talk about something else - start a thread".

(* by "debate" I mean "slanging match".)

*Trip,
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Women are liberated. They now misguidedly want reparations and equality of outcome.

Come again?

Sad to see a proposal to compromise shot down like that. Does make me wonder where the end goal is for some.

Yes but unfortunately very typical.

@sanluca

"Come again?"

What does this mean?