How the hell is it possible to look like this woman??

[Tangled59]

OK I qas having that Sunday sadness feeling and now I'm feeling casually pissed off and jealous because I went on FB and an ad popped up featuring this woman (Tammy Hemsomething apparently).

How is it possible to look like this?! What I mean is is this the result of just working out or what? But how can she get her body fat down so low for the waist, but not on her bum or tits?!

Just about any young woman could look much like her if they were prepared to submit to surgery multiple times.

or were prepared to put as much effort and exercise properly.

I find it quite sad that some people are trying to convince themselves that you cannot naturally achieve some beauty standards. Yes, some people have help, and not many women have a natural hair colour, but it's a lazy option to pretend you couldn't achieve most of it yourself.

But you've clearly become a massive fan, given the amount of time and energy you are taking to defending her and telling us all about her and her daily routine?

Like I said upthread, yes, I found her pretty inspiring. She's clearly a very accomplished woman and I like how much she adores her DC.

It's not just about defending her but more of the concept; that a smart, successful, happy and confident woman can be demoted to nothing in some people's eyes because of a sexy selfie.

Well then, her job is to sell products to (probably) very young women. So it isn't about 'fitness' then. It's about shilling stuff that nobody needs.

She has her own fitness app. She does fitness competitions. She does fitness videos and regimes. Yes, she has a career in fitness. FGS.

She also has a prominent social media account which, as most people would, she's chosen to make money out of. It's not really about "shilling stuff that nobody needs". I'm not sure how much you know about Instagram influencers but generally they're selling stuff like clothes or makeup lines etc., that most people would buy some sort of, but they're encouraging them to buy a particular one.

And if her lips are fake, what else is?

Her boobs. All been covered up thread. You really could read it. Would save both of us a fair amount of time.

The 'full lips' and 'big bum' as well as the 'big breasts' and possibly 'thick hair' too have been purchased. Just about any young woman could look much like her if they were prepared to submit to surgery multiple times.

Breasts are from surgery. Perfectly possible to have lips like that but I do agree that there's a possibility that she's had them altered.

I don't think her arse is fake, or that she's got extensions in. Hair dye, a good conditioner, and weight squats are more likely.

The surgery you claim she's never had?

I never said she hasn't had surgery. It'd be bloody stupid of me to deny it when she doesn't.

I find it quite sad that some people are trying to convince themselves that you cannot naturally achieve some beauty standards.

Of course you can.

But if you truly think this particular woman is all natural, then you need a trip to Specsavers.

Again, I don't know any "all natural" women, with natural hair, no make up, unshaved legs and so on. I am talking about the muscles and the body shape. Most people exercise because they enjoy the sport itself, but there are also a few who only workout to get a certain shape. It is quite possible to do both. It's a lie to pretend you need plastic surgery (you also need a pretty healthy diet too to be fair)

One thing I'd lime to point out. This woman makes her living by being superfit working like a beast in the gym and posting pictures of her body. Super fit does not necessarily equate to super healthy, according to research the relative health benefits of strenuous exercise over moderate exercise, as opposed to moderate exercise over none, are relatively small. There is no inherent virtue in it if you are not a professional athlete.It is not necessary to look like that to be healthy.

Like I said upthread, yes, I found her pretty inspiring. She's clearly a very accomplished woman and I like how much she adores her DC.

Don't most mothers adore their DC? Even those who don't tell the world about it on Instagram?

And I must say you do seem pretty involved in a person whose existence you were entirely unaware of a week ago.

It's not just about defending her but more of the concept; that a smart, successful, happy and confident woman can be demoted to nothing in some people's eyes because of a sexy selfie.

Except that nobody is doing that.

Firstly you don't know anything about her personality. You only know what she chooses to share with you on SM (and of course you didn't know she even existed this time last week....) She could be miserable and have all sorts of issues. You really have no clue. She's selling you an image. And you're buying.

And nobody is saying she's 'nothing'. Yes she's succesful. Yes she's probably 'smart' in the business sense. Good for her. But that doesn't change the fact that she's promoting an ideal of female beauty based on artifice and cartoonish steretypes. You may find that inspiring. I really don't.

Perfectly possible to have lips like that but I do agree that there's a possibility that she's had them altered.

No, you really can't have lips like that naturally. Which is a good thing as they look like slugs.

And you agree that her tits are fake and her lips 'possibly' too. Do you really think that someone who'd be happy to alter her body in one place wouldn't do it in another part? And is it really 'inspiring' to have a silicone enhanced woman selling tat to young women and girls?

It's a lie to pretend you need plastic surgery

But this particular woman has had plastic surgery. It's so obvious.

Super fit does not necessarily equate to super healthy, according to research the relative health benefits of strenuous exercise over moderate exercise, as opposed to moderate exercise over none, are relatively small.

I agree.

That's part of the reason why I side-eye the 'it's all about fitness' line.

For an average person, going running or cycling a few times a week, and maybe a few trips to the gym, is perfectly fine. Unless you're a professional athlete then the rest is unneccessary, and in most cases sheer vanity.

and that your professional opinion IcedPurple is it.

What's the difference between her body and any body builder's body? All victims of plastic surgery too?

By the way, I think we are extremely lucky to have access to cosmetic surgery to fix things that couldn't be fixed otherwise. It's a great tool, but it doesn't mean that exercise cannot achieve a lot.

and that your professional opinion IcedPurple is it.

You don't have to be a professional to think that those lips, those tits and very likely that arse are fake.

What's the difference between her body and any body builder's body? All victims of plastic surgery too?

A lot of them probably are. But I'm not talking in general. I'm talking about this woman and about the fact that she has clearly had cosmetic work done.

By the way, I think we are extremely lucky to have access to cosmetic surgery to fix things that couldn't be fixed otherwise

What was 'wrong' with her lips or tits before she had them 'fixed'?

What was 'wrong' with her lips or tits before she had them 'fixed'?
If she had decided to have something done, she fixed something she didn't like about herself. Good for her.

By focusing on an hypothetical procedure, you also completely deny the hard work that has been required to keep her in shape.

Some people might be happy to cycle leisurely twice a week, others enjoy training every night of the week. Neither are wrong, why can't people enjoy a hobby, and better, make a living out of it?
If you are against people exercising every day when they love it, what exactly do you expect them to do instead? Watch tv?

Don't most mothers adore their DC? Even those who don't tell the world about it on Instagram?

I meant more in the sense as I said up thread, good Lord that it was a nice reminder to do more active things with my DC. Of course I love them, as most mothers do, but she spends a lot of time with them which I think I could do more of.

Yes she's succesful. Yes she's probably 'smart' in the business sense. Good for her. But that doesn't change the fact that she's promoting an ideal of female beauty based on artifice and cartoonish steretypes. You may find that inspiring. I really don't.

So your problem is that she promotes an ideal of female beauty?

Funny. Because you didn't mention that before - just that she took a picture of her arse, like the vast majority of posters here. I thought - and still do - that anybody willing to discount that she's business smart and successful because she took a scantily clad selfie is a misogynist.

If your problem is that she "promotes an ideal of female beauty based on artifice and cartoonish stereotypes", that's a much more interesting debate, but I still think you're wrong.

Firstly, I don't really see how a big bum is based on stereotypes (unless you're talking about racism as another poster was?) It's a beauty ideal - and honestly, it's not really what I'd call a stereotypical feature for female beauty.

You can call her "cartoonish" all you like but that just means you don't like how she looks, not really that she's doing anything wrong.

I think the most important thing is that you're not happy that she's promoting a beauty ideal which you feel is 'unrealistic' and, in her case, partially based in plastic surgery.

I'd say it was misleading if she pretended her boobs were real and resultant of her work out. She's not pretending that, her boobs are fake, her followers know that. In that case I would say there's no problem in her having had surgery.

As for "promoting a beauty ideal" - I find it ludicrous that women are being criticised for living up to beauty standards. People live up to beauty standards. Some naturally, but most people, like her, have to put work in. No problem in showing people that she has put work in and making a career out of helping others who want to do the same.

If you have a problem with beauty standards, well, sorry, but it's not possible to erase beauty standards from any society. They will develop, grow and change, but they will never go. There will always be a look to aspire to.

What we can do is reduce the effect that achieving or not achieving the beauty standards can have on people's lives. Which, as I said before, I think our current society is fairly good at comparatively.

If she had decided to have something done, she fixed something she didn't like about herself. Good for her.

Really?

It's 'good' for very young women to surgically alter a healthy part of their body so that it conforms to some sterotypical ideal?

Seriously?

By focusing on an hypothetical procedure, you also completely deny the hard work that has been required to keep her in shape.

No I'm not. I'm sure she sweats away in the gym for hours a day.

Sound utterly grim to me, but whatever you're into I guess.

Just not sure why it should be considered 'inspiring' to devote a huge amount of your time, energy and money to making your body look a certain way. It's just pure vanity whether it's achieved in the gym or in a doctor's surgery.

It's 'good' for very young women to surgically alter a healthy part of their body so that it conforms to some sterotypical ideal?

If people are discomforted or dislike their bodies, I say there's no problem with them changing it. Dye your hair, get braces on your teeth, etc. etc. Did anyone read that article on the girl who had her nose altered? She didn't have any further procedures, it was just her nose she disliked, and apparently it made her feel very happy.

Of course I love them, as most mothers do, but she spends a lot of time with them which I think I could do more of.

But to repeat: you don't know anything about her life except what she chooses to sell you on her promo pages! You don't know how much time she spend with her kids. You don't know anything about her.

Or do you?

Do you know a lot more about her than what you're letting on?

Like I said, it does seem odd how invested you are in defending and promoting someone whose existence you were blissfully unaware of just a week ago.

Most of your post is the usual repetive strawman arguments based on defending this woman who you of course have only just become aware of.

But this:

If you have a problem with beauty standards, well, sorry, but it's not possible to erase beauty standards from any society. They will develop, grow and change, but they will never go. There will always be a look to aspire to.

I'd rather young women didn't aspire to bizarre 'beauty' standards at all. My niece is only 10 and tells me that nearly all her friends at school follow all these 'beauty' and 'fitness' bloggers on SM. She's the only one who doesn't. And these are kids. Naturally, none of the boys do the same.

And yes I do think this is a problem. Especially what that 'beauty' is acheived at least in part by having healthy body parts cut open. And yes this woman is a part of that problem. She is promoting narcissism and vanity disguised as 'fitness'. No matter how many cute family photos she posts for your admiration.

Dye your hair, get braces on your teeth, etc. etc.

You're comparing hair colour (which grows out) or cosmetic dentistry with going under general anaesthetic to have your healthy tits cut open with a knife and silicone inserted inside?

All so 'inspiring', isn't it?

I'm just not seeing the 'beauty' in silicone filled lips, a vapid expression and a bubble bum.

Hear, hear!

That line alone sums it all up perfectly!

Enhancing yourself is one thing but thinking you need to be "fixed" is completely different. Nobody needs to have their arse "fixed" unless they sit on a hotplate or something.

Do you know a lot more about her than what you're letting on?

What kind of crazy conspiracy theory are you imagining?

I'd rather young women didn't aspire to bizarre 'beauty' standards at all.

As I said, there will always be beauty standards. People will aspire to them less the less value that is put on them.

You're comparing hair colour (which grows out) or cosmetic dentistry with going under general anaesthetic to have your healthy tits cut open with a knife and silicone inserted inside?

You can describe anything horrifically as you like But the truth of the matter is, I think it's all the same principle. I don't like this part of my body and it would boost my confidence to change it; and, hey presto, the person changes it.

You don't know how much time she spend with her kids. You don't know anything about her.

Well, regardless, she appears to spend a lot of time with her children which reminded me I should be making more of an effort to do the same.

If you think she's faking that it's up to you, really, but her account is still motivating in that sense.

It's 'good' for very young women to surgically alter a healthy part of their body so that it conforms to some sterotypical ideal?
instead of being miserable? How can it possibly be any wrong? And stop pretending it's a young woman's problem!

If a woman feels shit all her life because she is flat chested, and she has the opportunity to get the cleavage she always wanted, my god isn't it a good thing she can! If a young man has been bullied because of his ears, it's a godsend it can get them surgically attached, and his nose corrected.

I will pay for whatever braces my kids might need, and most of that work is done for pure cosmetic reasons (I know, not always). I will never encourage my kids to have plastic surgery, because I am their mum and it's my role to teach them to work for the body they want not go for the lazy option. If something is really bothering them when they are adult enough and they pay to correct it, I'll support them.

I am not an hypocrite, I admit that whilst there are a few things I could improve, I am lucky to have been reasonably happy with my natural-ish body. I don't feel that I need surgery, but that's just luck.

Beauty standards have always been "bizarre", in any community and part of the world.

Back to the thread, this woman is not promoting a plastic surgeon to her followers! It's social media, if you don't find her attractive or interesting, don't follow her. No need to bitch about her.

This is actual fitness. As in, healthy fitness. She looks in good shape and is happy, smiling even!
Lovely and no titillation in sight. Its about actual fitness, who knew?!

What this other woman is doing with her face and body is simply emulating facial expressions/body positions seen in porn.

Let's not pretend it's anything else.

Give me strength

She looks fake, has probably had huge amounts of liposuction/sculpture & backside implants and that's just to start with. She looks completely out of proportion, almost like a caricature of a woman. The pic has probably been photoshopped, too.

I'm the first one to feel insecure about my body, but not over fakes like that.

What kind of crazy conspiracy theory are you imagining?

No 'conspiracy theory'. Just odd that you've devoted so much time and energy to uncritically promoting a person you knew nothing about a few days ago.

Well, regardless, she appears to spend a lot of time with her children which reminded me I should be making more of an effort to do the same.

Maybe spend less time immersing yourself into the carefully curated life of a complete stranger on the other side of the world, and promoting her on the internet then?

Just a suggestion.

You can describe anything horrifically as you like

Or as accurately as I like?

But the truth of the matter is, I think it's all the same principle. I don't like this part of my body and it would boost my confidence to change it; and, hey presto, the person changes it.

Again, if you see no difference between invasive surgery and putting the contents of a box of 'Nice 'n' Easy' on your hair, then I do wonder about your judgement.

And where do you want to end? There's always be some part of your body you don't like, unless maybe you're Monica Bellucci (and I bet even she could find something she 'doesn't like). So once you've 'done' your nose, you'll find your tits are a bit meagre. Then your arse is a bit flat. And so on and so forth.

If you're suggesting that young women have their healthy body parts cut open to help their 'confidence' then I'm beginning to see why you find this Tammy so 'inspiring'. Despite having only known about her for a week. Of course.

@IcedPurple
I love all your posts on all threads #fangirl

instead of being miserable? How can it possibly be any wrong?

How can it possibly be wrong to encourage young women to cut open healthy body parts in pursuit of a 'beauty ideal'?

You seriously have no idea?

And stop pretending it's a young woman's problem!

Well, this Tammy is, I'm sure, aiming her product at young women. And girls.

And let's not pretend that the vast majority of cosmetic surgery recipients are female. Men don't get botox because they have a few lines. Or have penile implants because they're not as big as they'd like. Not in any numbers. It's women who feel they 'need' this stuff. And it's women like this Tammy (not only her of course but she is an albeit minor part of the industry) who are encouraging this line of thinking.