How the hell is it possible to look like this woman??

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OK I qas having that Sunday sadness feeling and now I'm feeling casually pissed off and jealous because I went on FB and an ad popped up featuring this woman (Tammy Hemsomething apparently).

How is it possible to look like this?! What I mean is is this the result of just working out or what? But how can she get her body fat down so low for the waist, but not on her bum or tits?!

Exactly, social media is great for that.
I share pics of holidays, my family and days out etc just like I would have done a decade ago with my friends and family once I'd got them developed.

But constant sharing of selfies and body shots with COMPLETE STRANGERS is next level odd.

Super glad that Hans in Frankfurt thinks my glutes look sweet.

What the fuck? These people need help.

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that I am probably someone who just dislikes social media.

Me too. I go into FB and like a few things every now and again but hardly ever update my own status except to share photos once or twice a year.

The whole world has gone crazy.

It is not normal behaviour to flaunt your body on social media for personal or monetary gain or any other reason.

It is normal nowadays though. Most of us on mn tend to be a bit older and don’t understand why folk do it but they do.

Especially fitness models and instructors. My instagram is full of it, esp in the photos you might like section.

Oh come on, it's a bit of a universal fact that jealous women tend to bitch about other women's appearance. You go on denying that, suit yourself.

I am not jealous of this woman. She looks silly and a teensy bit common.

Oh come on, it's a bit of a universal fact that jealous women tend to bitch about other women's appearance. You go on denying that, suit yourself
Such a futile emotion jealousy. Personally i've never been jealous of anyone for their looks. I've felt envy, but that's usually of someone who seems to have an idyllic life, lovely home, job, loads of money etc. I think it's insulting to the women on here to suggest they'd be jealous of someone for their looks. The majority of posts about beautiful women, e.g. Meghan Markle are very complimentary. What would be the point in feeling jealous.

I actually think that people who accuse others of jealousy towards another woman are guilty of this futility themselves. They imagine everyone else must have those same jealous feelings as they do.

How could anyone be jealous of a person whose whole life seems to be making a cartoon shape out of their body?

I'm really sad for her, and for any young girls who aspire to look like her.

The only people jealous of them have got to be the ones who accuse others of being jealous. It must be, why would they even think it if they haven't thought it themselves. They're offloading their jealousy onto others. It wouldn't occur to normal people to feel jealous of a cartoon caricature. These are the people who admire, would love to look like that themselves kind of people, speaks volumes.

Personally i've never been jealous of anyone for their looks. I've felt envy, but that's usually of someone who seems to have an idyllic life, lovely home, job, loads of money etc.

Well, there have been times I've looked at gorgeous women - Rachel Weisz, Charlize Theron, Zhang Ziyi - and thought '"Wow. Mustn't it be great to be so beautiful?" But even then I wouldn't call it 'jealous'. Jealousy is a very negative emotion. More like admiration.

The majority of posts about beautiful women, e.g. Meghan Markle are very complimentary

Exactly. This whole thing that women are jealous of good-looking women is mostly sexist nonsense. For the most part, women love good-looking women..... especially if they're not just good-looking but have talent, intelligence or personality to offer too.

This chick though? Making a living angling her arse into camera lens and showing off how quickly she 'snapped back' after childbirth? No thanks. Sounds vacuous and moronic to me. And if I'm being totally honest, not even good-looking.

It is not normal behaviour to flaunt your body on social media for personal or monetary gain or any other reason.

Business is based a lot more on social media now. I was reading that in some industries, it's more effective than TV adverts. Lots of companies don't do any advertising except on social media. Has the advantages of being free and hugely outreaching.

Posting pictures of herself incredibly in-shape obviously promotes her fitness classes/apps etc., because it shows that they work. If you watch a TV advert for toothpaste the actress/actor will usually have good teeth. It's common sense.

Your suggestion that it's not "normal" to post pictures of monetary gain speaks volumes to me, simply because I think it is normal. There are tons of people using social media as a platform to reach the extent where they become an "influencer" and get paid to promote items. It's a job now, and people are making lots of money out of it.

It wouldn't have been normal some time ago. But the world is moving on, as it always has done. And it's human nature to look for business opportunities in each new discovery, and not necessarily a bad part of human nature either. Technology, even when whittled down to the social media sector, has created a lot of jobs behind the scenes. It's also created jobs for companies and individuals wanting to use the platforms to market themselves.

I don't envy them. I think the job has pressures I wouldn't like. But I think it's perfectly understandable that people do it and that influencers have become a norm.

Making a living angling her arse into camera lens and showing off how quickly she 'snapped back' after childbirth?

I think she's making a living out of a career in fitness which, as somebody commented earlier, is a booming industry lately.

She's also making a career out of promos.

I don't this pictures of her arse is directly making her money. I think they're more there to show the effects of her fitness regime. Also - I can't read the brand on her undies, but I'd think if you go to her page, the caption on that picture will be a promo for what she's wearing.

*picture, not pictures, sorry.

Of course it is normal to post your picture for financial gain, it's just not a choice many people would make - and frankly most of us couldn't.
There always has been page 3 girls, playboy bunnies. There's nothing new.

Some of the comments do reek of jealousy - some posters have valid negative opinion and comments, fair enough, but others calling that woman any kind of name under the sun are too bitter to be anything else than jealous. You cannot get that worked up and vicious against a complete stranger otherwise, it's not normal to be that vile.

You cannot get that worked up and vicious against a complete stranger otherwise, it's not normal to be that vile.

I'm in agreement that some of these comments are far too vicious and cruel to be just out of concern.

I think a fair amount of them are from a different time. Lots of people find it difficult to accept people making money off of Instagram, YouTube etc. Which forum was it where someone suggested Mark Zuckerberg couldn't possibly have anything important to think about?

I also think a lot of these comments about her being vain or vacuous or stupid are a teeny bit misogynistic. A lot of it sounds like the "beauty or brains" nonsense; but to take it further, I think it's very clear once you look at her page that she's not directly making money from the fact that her body is conventionally attractive. I'd say some people simplifying her career to pictures of her arse or "looking like a sex object" as someone commented, suggest that they're focusing more on the fact that she's attractive - to some people, if that soothes your souls - than what she's actually making money out of.

Ignoring a woman's a) very hard work in fitness - she has an app, has done training courses, is part of a team that do it competitively and b) the amount of skill and time that goes into marketing yourself to the extent where you get paid to promote - just because she has a picture of herself in her underwear - makes me go a little bit

Well if the amount of filler, botox, cement ... whatever, in her face is anything to go by then I would imagine that the same applies elsewhere.

Fake tits, fake arse, photoshop filters, plus dieting and workouts - all combined with a huge amount of self-obsession.

I'm not remotely jealous of her. What on earth is there to be jealous of? I wouldn't want to look like that in a million years - I don't find it appealing or attractive.

She's going to age and die the same as the rest of us - we're all just flesh and blood, even those who diet and exercise obsessively and fill their body's with silicone and lord knows what else and parade themselves all over the internet.

Some of the comments do reek of jealousy - some posters have valid negative opinion and comments, fair enough, but others calling that woman any kind of name under the sun are too bitter to be anything else than jealous. You cannot get that worked up and vicious against a complete stranger otherwise, it's not normal to be that vile.

'Worked up' is your characterisation alone. I think a lot of people, particularly those of us who recall how weird it would have been carry on like this in previous decades, are more accurately baffled by this sort of stuff.

I'm sure she'll crack on, unmolested by any criticisms, and we'll all do the same.

the worst comments have been deleted, I think describing them as being "worked up" was a kind way to describe them - and there are still some nasty ones on this thread!

The "new" thing about people posing in social media is the fact that they are promoting a strong body, not just a slim one. "strong is the new skinny" and all that. There are worst examples in the world! Someone like the lovely Jessica Ennis was as famous for her abs and amazing body as she was for her sporting achievements (not that I accuse of selling her image online, I am not being negative about her!)

I'm not remotely jealous of her. What on earth is there to be jealous of? I wouldn't want to look like that in a million years - I don't find it appealing or attractive.

You don't have to find it appealing ... though she's conventionally attractive whether you like it or not, in all honesty.

It's strange that both I and ikeepa said some comments and you felt the need to reassert that you're not jealous anyway.

The effect of this particular photo is a bit cartoonish but I don't necessarily think that's the work of Photoshop. It's not financially feasible to be an Instagram influencer that has a professional take all of your photos, either. I think it's angles. If you look at other pictures of her you can see she just has a defined hourglass shape which, at certain angles, can look like the picture OP posted.

I'm not sufficiently familiar with Instagram trends to know which one this or any selfie slots into, I'm speaking of the broader selfie enterprise.

I'd be terribly mortified if either of my children started doing this. Let's hope they sit this one out.

You don't have to find it appealing ... though she's conventionally attractive whether you like it or not, in all honesty.

Can you not grasp that this is simply not true?

There is no objective measure of 'attractive'. I do not like the way she looks.

I think she's making a living out of a career in fitness which, as somebody commented earlier, is a booming industry lately.

A "booming industry" that sexualises young girls in the guise of "fitness". That's why we now have a generation of young girls who devote themselves to constant rounds of selfies in a variety of "pouting poses", who've grown up thinking it's all perfectly normal to be so bodily obsssed, and strive to achieve a body that's unrealistic and probably unhealthy.

If that's what this "booming industry" does to young girls, to encourage such blatant self absorption, they can stick it where the sun don't shine. I'm fucking amazed that anyone thinks it's ok.

I have no problems if my girls (and boys!) decide to spend hours of work to get the fit body of their dream and make a living out of a healthy lifestyle. If I looked like that woman, I think I'll be showing off my photos too.

Teens are body obsessed, what else is new. People are obsessed by their appearance, again what else is new. There's no period in history where appearance wasn't important.

If narrow-minded bitter people believe that if my girls are attractive it makes them stupid, who cares. They don't matter, they are way behind!

There are some very good accounts on Instagram that promote fitness. Women who are fit but with no artificial enhancements, wear little or no make up and don't do the weird poses to distort their bodies. It's not all bad.

There are also people like Celeste Barber who takes the piss out of modelling/celeb photos

If narrow-minded bitter people believe that if my girls are attractive it makes them stupid, who cares. They don't matter, they are way behind!

Where did you get this idea? This thread is not about attractive people, but people who take naked or near-naked selfies.

I tend to assume vapid rather than stupid, but it's a fine distinction I suppose. I'm sure I'm way behind. That's fine.

There is no objective measure of 'attractive'. I do not like the way she looks.

I said conventionally attractive. Symmetrical facial features, long thick hair, full lips, big breasts, slim waist, wider hips, big bum etc. She ticks the majority of the boxes of what our society deems an "attractive" woman.

Of course what I find attractive you might not. But every society has a checklist, if you will, for an "attractive" woman. If you look at this year's contestants on Love Island they all have a similar formula.

A "booming industry" that sexualises young girls in the guise of "fitness". That's why we now have a generation of young girls who devote themselves to constant rounds of selfies in a variety of "pouting poses", who've grown up thinking it's all perfectly normal to be so bodily obsssed, and strive to achieve a body that's unrealistic and probably unhealthy.

The fitness industry is doing well regardless, honestly, though I agree that people wanting workouts to get a bigger bum etc. has risen.

I think that society has always been shallow. Honestly, though, I think currently our society isn't as bad as it has always been. Beauty standards are still there and arguably harder to achieve than they have been in terms of body. But I think it counts for less now, especially for women, which I think is preferable.

Fitness training isn't unhealthy unless you a) go to extremes (always has been) or b) use equipment like waist trainers unsafely. Honestly I'm not sure about waist trainers in general, wouldn't want either of my DD's to wear one.

I hate the implication that people's bodies are "unrealistic". Well, they're real, whether you like it or not. When you say they're unrealistic you mean difficult to achieve or hard to be born with naturally. Unrealistic is what you say about a book plot, not someone's body.

If that's what this "booming industry" does to young girls, to encourage such blatant self absorption, they can stick it where the sun don't shine. I'm fucking amazed that anyone thinks it's ok.

Haven't women always been pressured to focus on their appearance and nothing else?

Isn't it kind of obvious that women are now being encouraged to think about things other than their appearance?

In which case, what are you mad about? Surely you can't be blaming beauty standards for women on social media or the modern fitness industry.

Your use of "blatant self-absorption" kind of makes me think it was what I was saying before about modesty culture.