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AIBU to be shocked about R Kelly?

90 replies

Sparklesanddiamomdsforever · 16/06/2018 19:37

I read an article from his ex wife about his domestic violence towards her, and then read his Wiki page. I didn't realise his history of under age girls and abuse Shock.

I used to love his music, but according to his Wiki page Spotify, Apple etc won't advertise or play his music any more as his reputation is so terrible

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Metoodear · 16/06/2018 20:39

Really
Thiaosveryvery very old news aliyah was 15 when they married.

He’s always been a sex pest

PepperShake · 16/06/2018 20:39

dboo -How could he be married to Aaliyah? Shock she was engaged to be married to some fella at the time of her death.

Tunnocks34 · 16/06/2018 20:42

I knew he was a perv when I was in school. I thought it was like hip hops worst kept secret?

Sad though, taints all his songs in a very negative way.

Tunnocks34 · 16/06/2018 20:42

He married Aaliyah when she was 15 didn’t he?

donaldtwerp · 16/06/2018 20:45

What did John peel do? He was a fucking legend in our eyes :(

HeartCurrent · 16/06/2018 20:46

No. Him being 'with' Aaliyah at age 15 was a pretty big clue.

NukaColaGirl · 16/06/2018 20:46

Aaliyah was 22 when she died, 15 when R Kelly ‘married’ her. She never really spoke about it.

dovegrey18 · 16/06/2018 20:46

I knew of all the underage/ rape stuff but I didn't know about his marriage to Aaliyah! His music is so good but I can't bring myself to listen to it now.

People like him should be convicted publicly.

TemptressofWaikiki · 16/06/2018 20:46

Old news and he liked the peeing....

LoveProsecco · 16/06/2018 20:46

I didn't know he married Aaliyah

Eatalot · 16/06/2018 20:47

R Kelly is pretty well known. The Nick Carter thing is sad. He had a pretty shit upbringing and went off the rails. He seemed to get his life back on track got married had a kid. Im not saying he is or isnt guilty, both scenarios are pretty sad.

Didn't know about Bowie. But talented people get a free pass. Even when the evidence is overwhelming(michael jackson and sleeping in bed with kids) people will defend them.

KatieKittens · 16/06/2018 20:47

Should someone else tell OP about the nice man from Jim’ll Fix it or should I?

ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 16/06/2018 20:47

I remember people (on MN) trying to discuss Bowie’s history with girls when he died and it was very much “yes, but Shhh, I like his music” or “no, not at all, that never happened”. Discussion was very much shut down.

noeffingidea · 16/06/2018 20:49

John Peel married a 15 year old in the USA.
The David Bowie story quite possibly isn't true, seeing as the woman told inconsistent stories about him and Jimmy Page, which is maybe why it isn't on Wikipaedia.

Honeyroar · 16/06/2018 20:53

I'm amazed that half the members of The Rolling Stones made it through life without going to prison.

PositiveVibez · 16/06/2018 20:54

There has also been something recently about the disgusting R Kelly having women in various houses who he basically keeps as sex slaves. One escaped and spoke to the media. They all seem brainwashed somehow.

He is actually recorded saying something along the lines of 'it's too late, they should have got me years ago'. I'll see if I can find links

bananafish81 · 16/06/2018 20:55

Next you'll be saying Jimmy Saville was a paedo

Er....

The history of allegations against R Kelly

1994: Marries Aaliyah
The star, then aged 27, marries 15-year-old singer Aaliyah at a secret ceremony in Chicago. Vibe magazine later discovered that Aaliyah had lied on the wedding certificate about her age, listing herself as 18. The marriage was annulled in February 1995.

1996: Sued for emotional distress
Tiffany Hawkins sues R Kelly for the "personal injuries and emotional distress" she suffered during a three-year relationship with the star.
In court documents, she said she began having sex with Kelly in 1991, when she was 15 and he was 24, and the relationship ended three years later, when she turned 18. According to the Chicago Sun Times, Hawkins sought $10 million in damages, but accepted a fraction of that amount ($250,000) when the case was settled in 1998.
Kelly's spokeswoman said she had "no knowledge" of the accusations.

2001: Sued by intern
Tracy Sampson sues R Kelly, accusing him of inducing her "into an indecent sexual relationship" when she was 17 years old.
The woman, a former intern at Epic Records, claimed she was "treated as his personal sex object and cast aside".
"He often tried to control every aspect of my life including who I would see and where I would go," she said in her legal case against him. The case was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum, said the New York Post.

April and May 2002: Two more court cases
Kelly is sued for a third time by Patrice Jones, a Chicago woman who claims he impregnated her when she was underage, and that she was forced to have an abortion.
A woman named Montina Woods also sued Kelly, alleging that he videotaped them having sex without her knowledge. The recording was allegedly circulated on an R Kelly "sex tape" sold by bootleggers under the title R Kelly Triple-X.
The star settled both cases out of court, paying an undisclosed sum in return for a non-disclosure agreement.

June 2002: Charged over child pornography
The star is charged with 21 counts of making child pornography, involving intercourse, oral sex, urination, and other sexual acts.
Chicago police accused him of videotaping each of these acts and enticing a minor to participate in them. All of the charges related to one girl, born in September 1984.
His arrest stemmed from a video which was sent anonymously to the Chicago Sun Times earlier in the year. They passed it on to police, who verified the authenticity of the tape with help from FBI forensics experts.
Kelly, who posted $750,000 bail, immediately denied the charges in an interview with MTV and later pleaded not guilty in court.
It took six years for the case to come to trial, during which time Kelly released his wildly successful Trapped In The Closet album; and was nominated for an Image Award by the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), prompting widespread criticism.
The jury eventually concluded they could not prove that the girl on the tape was a minor, and Kelly was found not guilty on all counts.

2002 - 2004: Arrest prompts further charges
Kelly is charged with a further 12 counts of making child pornography in Florida, where he was arrested at his holiday home.
These charges came after police seized a camera during the arrest, which allegedly showed the star having sex with an underage girl.
The charges were dropped when a judge agreed with Kelly's defence team that police lacked sufficient evidence to justify a search.

July 2017: Allegations of a "cult"
Last summer, Buzzfeed published a long and detailed report accusing R Kelly of trapping six women in a sex "cult".
The article alleged that Kelly seduced young women when they approached him for help with their music careers, before taking control of their lives - dictating "what they eat, how they dress, when they bathe, when they sleep, and how they engage in sexual encounters that he records".
The report claimed the star also confiscated the women's cell phones, the report said, barring contact with friends and family.
The allegations came from three former employees and the parents of several women, who said their daughters had all but vanished.
Kelly strenuously denied the story - which was written by Jim DeRogatis, who has covered the allegations against R Kelly for two decades, principally for the Chicago Sun Times.
All of the women cited in the article were of legal age; and one later denied the claims that she was being held against her will.
"I'm not being brainwashed or anything like that," said 21-year-old Joycelyn Savage in a video call to TMZ. However, she would not reveal where she was speaking from, nor the nature of her relationship with Kelly.
R Kelly's lawyer, Linda Mensch, also issued a strongly-worded denial, saying the star was "alarmed and disturbed at the recent revelations" and would "work diligently and forcibly to pursue his accusers and clear his name".

2017 - 2018: Victims approach the press
Buzzfeed's report prompted further allegations against the star.
Jerhonda Pace broke a non-disclosure agreement to speak about having sex with Kelly while she was underage. Another woman, Kitti Jones, claimed the star had starved her, coerced her into sexual encounters with other women and physically abused her.
Kitti, along with other members of R Kelly's inner circle, spoke to a BBC Three documentary in March 2018. One former friend and collaborator, Lovell Jones, said that Kelly asked him to scout out women "that looked young" at parties, and claimed that it was "common knowledge" that the singer preferred young girls.
Again, Kelly denied the allegations.

2018: #MuteRKelly, staff departures and new court case
The #MuteRKelly campaign began lobbying Kelly's record label RCA to sever ties with the singer. They also targeted concert promoters, tickets sellers and streaming services - with Spotify, Apple Music and Pandora all agreeing to demote Kelly's songs from their playlists.
Around the same time, the star's lawyer, publicist and personal assistant all quit - although the attorney, Linda Mensch, said her departure "was unrelated to any allegations related to Mr. Kelly's social life."
Kelly continued to perform live despite protests outside his shows; and was filmed saying the campaign against him was "too late".
Meanwhile, the star was sued by a former partner who said he "intentionally" infected her with a sexually transmitted disease.
A representative for Kelly said he "categorically denies all claims and allegations".

diddl · 16/06/2018 20:56

If I hadn't seen this thread I still wouldn't have known about it.

Never even heard of Aaliyah!

Birdsgottafly · 16/06/2018 20:57

noeffingidea Bowie has admitted it, he saw nothing wrong with it. he said it was just part of the scene. So did Chrissie Hynde when she defended them passing the 13-18 year old girls around.

Metoodear · 16/06/2018 20:57

He is also currently running a sex cult watched the family ple for their family’s release

However because of America’s racial issues black devancey will always been seen as worse than when a white person dose it

I hope all the people who will no longer listen to his music will also no longer watch any film winestean helped make

noeffingidea · 16/06/2018 21:00

Zibbidoo that's funny, I can very clearly remember discussing David Bowie's 'history with girls' on here when he died. Nothing to do with liking his music, just the difference between gossip and evidence really. Though I realise they're the same thing to many people.

noeffingidea · 16/06/2018 21:01

Birds have you got a source for that?

PositiveVibez · 16/06/2018 21:02

www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/12/16/sexual_assault_allegations_against_r_kelly_now_online_thanks_to_jim_derogatis.html

I cannot find the original article from 2008 by Jim DeRogatis, but he tried his damnedest to get him prosecuted. It is a very interesting article.