To find caitlin moran as annoying as fuck?

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New articlr in the guardian, going to read now, I'm sorry because shes generally really popular with all my female mates but...I just find her really annoying and disingenuous and anti-intellectual. Is it just me? Her (faux) grey streak also annoys me, as does the face pulling. Anyway i know its mean, but i just dont identify

www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jun/16/caitlin-moran-everything-i-know-about-sex

but as usual with women criticising women, there's a lot of personal (appearance, personality, lifestyle) comments on this thread, which is thoroughly depressing.

To be fair, comments about any famous woman on a male-dominated forum are unlikely to be much better.

Yet . . . .If you had to choose to read India Knight, Liz Jones, Mrs Gove (forgotten her nom de plume) or Caitlin Moran I reckon CM would be well ahead

Fauxminism. Well done everyone, good pile on.

I'm sure CM used to appear on a long-gone 1980's late night thing in London called Night Network....? Anyone remember it..?

I was about 15 (sameish age as her I think) and I remember finding her fucking irritating as a fellow-teenager too.

I really can't see why so many posters have a problem with a financially self made woman, who fights for women issues and has been brilliant for making feminism accessible for teenagers. She's no Andrea Dworkin or Kate Millet but why should she be? You don't get employed by most major newspapers for being a shite writer. The comments here on her appearance are vile, criticising her hair and facial expressions. I also love Julie Burchill and Suzanne Moore for different reasons. Well done her for having a good marriage and a London home she bought herself I imagine. Are you all just jealous, just a thought?

Hmm straw manning and missing the point.

I don't have a problem with a women being self-made, rich, happy and successful at all. I love and admire a whole load of women who have done well for themselves.

But from a feminist POV, I do have a problem with someone whose feminism is very much lite, patchy and shallow, being seen as representative of feminism generally. That's something we are, actually, allowed to debate. And people who find her trumpeting of her WC origins being annoyed because it obviously wasn't a typical WC childhood, that's a point they're allowed to make too.

Yes these arguments are a bit more sophisticated than the "ooh, successful woman, what a bitch" you paint them as, but you'll have to get used to it. Women can actually be making valid points and genuine analysis, instead of just being "jealous".

You miss the point about the facial expressions. This is not about her face and what it looks like. It's about having a need to make a fake expression for every photo, and how that behaviour comes across.

I've said that I don't agree with tearing people down for their appearance. But that's not what I was doing.

Also, I would discuss a man just the same, and have done. There are male journalists, politicians etc. who are hypocritical, misrepresent things or have irritating fake behaviour and that gets discussed too. As does their appearance sometimes. Trump, Gove, Boris, Blair, Russel Brand, Owen Jones, John Humphrys anyone?

She’s got a strong personality, strong opinions and an individual look.
She’s marmite and I’m sure she knows it. Some will love her, others won’t be able to stand her.
You can’t write a column that aims to please everyone or makes you sound like a boring everywoman. Nobody would want to read that.
She’s great. I’ll have her on toast with peanut butter every day for breakfast.

MsJinglyJones
I agree.
The things that I dislike have nothing to do with a woman being successful

I enjoyed How to be a Woman. I don't think rehashing the same sort of material multiple times makes someone that brilliant as a writer. I can get on board with some pieces as a way into feminism. It's accessible. I don't agree with harping on about how poor she was in Wolverhampton endlessly when she's now so far removed from many others. For me it's living the London boho life with money whilst playing the 'but I was poor too' card for convenience and image purposes. She has made valid feminist points, but sadly there's only so much I can fake enthusiasm for discussions of pubes and periods on a superficial level when there are actual issues out there. At times it feels a bit 'I don't always shave my pubes! I'm so edgy'.

She's done well for herself. There's no denying that. But do i think rehashing the same old stuff and wacky person appeals to me as a feminist? No.

There is an interesting thing here that MC women and men who have an opinion and dare to state it get majorly slated
CM
Jamie O
Lily Allen

Yet the banal slebs of Geordie Shore who truly live in a vacuum never even get a mention

It’s strange

Lily Allen gets slated because she's both talentless and nasty.

Crikey this thread is a bit mean. So you dont particularly like someone - who cares? I agree with @IHeartKingThistle that it's cruel and hypocritical. CM, like the rest of us, is an imperfect human.
I've enjoyed her articles, books and shows immensely. I am able to disagree with her on a few points without the need to go on an internet forum to try and garner mean-girl kudos by inviting others to join in a critical thread.
I bet she reads this too. and if you wouldn't say it to her face then you're essentially a troll.

It's not about them being MC.

It's people who are MC trying to claim 'but I'm common just like you' to further add weight.

Equally, people who read columns by MC writers are more likely to be more critical in their reading and generally better informed than someone spending their time catching up who said what on Geordie Shore. It's not like for like.

I don’t think LA is untalented . Her songs are catchy and have quite moving lyrics . I listen to a mix of hers on Mixcloud and I really like her stuff - it’s grown on me

She is more talented than me that’s for sure

I also like her verbal outbursts . At least she cares and has an opinion .

I like flawed people

I got told off for using
Mean girl ! I would rather use a so called sexist term than be sOmeone who slates strangers online

All people are flawed, it's not special. However I hate Lily's inane lyrics, dirge-like voice, and the way her 'verbal outbursts' always seem to be aimed at other women. I don't find her appealingly gobby or outspoken, just really hateful and frankly a bit dim.

I am sorry about her miscarriages, though. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Are you all just jealous, just a thought?

Err no. Why would I be?

I get very sick of the you're just league argument being used to shut down posters who disagree with something. It's nearly as tedious as the you have a vagina so must support women argument.

I’m sorry CM got her sex expectations from books, I got mine by talking to my friends and I imagine her daughters could get an idea from this modern internet thing all the kids are Snapchatting on and the like. But yeah, a load of out of date recollections from twenty-odd years ago seems like a good place to start...

I can't get past her irritating Colin Hunt style of wackiness to actually listen to anything she has to say.

I don’t read the Times but I read Melody Maker and watched Naked City in my teens. CM is just a couple of years older than me and I wouldn’t say she was a huge inspiration or anything but it was cool to see a young, WC woman who had just gone after what she wanted and got it.

She only really hovered on the edge of my awareness after that until How to be a Woman, which I really enjoyed. This post is actually putting me in the mood to reread it. It’s accessible and funny. I don’t think she’s the best writer in the world, she might not be the ‘best’ feminist but she’s still excellent and I’m pleased to see her do well. And I think she does try hard, I don’t see ‘try hard’ as a bad thing.

I have no idea who she is but did a Google search...why the he'll does she have her mouth hanging open so much? She looks like a cow chewing on cud!

*hell

Charming thread.

AynRandTheObjectivist

Pretty nasty comment from you too.

I don't know why I even open these threads.

Where the fuck is the sisterhood, people?

Slagging off someone's face? Hair? Your definition of 'talent'

Bunch of bitchy comments, slagging off other people because their face looks the way it apparently shouldn't'. CM can do whatever the fuck she wants with her hair.

Hope you're all feeling better about yourselves.

And as for GG as a feminist after what she just said?

Jesus the world is a funny place right now - and not in a good way.

Sisterhood? Jeez. I really hate the idea that we all have to have the same opinion just because we’re female

Not the same opinion costacoffeeplease

I didn't say that - I mean jesus posters getting their rocks off slagging off someone's hair?

That's not exactly helpful, is it?

For me, feminism is supporting other women. This thread isn't.