To find caitlin moran as annoying as fuck?

[Tangled59]

New articlr in the guardian, going to read now, I'm sorry because shes generally really popular with all my female mates but...I just find her really annoying and disingenuous and anti-intellectual. Is it just me? Her (faux) grey streak also annoys me, as does the face pulling. Anyway i know its mean, but i just dont identify

www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jun/16/caitlin-moran-everything-i-know-about-sex

I thought today's article was funny. Especially the staying with people/ relatives bit.
She has written about her grey streak, she did it when trying to find a style she liked. She's explained the gurning too but I can't remember what.

I hate all those articles she dresses up for in the Saturday Times magazine. It’s just such dross - 6 pages on what it’s like dressing like Kate Middleton or whoever (cue picture of CM wearing a dress and doing that fake shocked look) or her learning how to dance like Beyoncé (picture of CM looking fake shocked wearing a black leotard) etc. It’s such mindless page-filling, it’s like they think ‘how can we shoe-horn more CM into the mag this week?’ and then just think up any old shit.

@Neckless -
I thought today's article was funny. Especially the staying with people/ relatives bit.

I LOVED that bit! I remember a couple DP and I used to see occasionally. They were so crazy , sniping and dysfunctional that we had rampant sex after seeing them. Whilst it was a relief when we fell out of touch because their crazy was exhausting, I do remember the "Thank God We're Not Them Sex" with much fondness

YABNU! I can't bear her either. And she's everwhere!

I read How to Be a Woman and it annoyed me greatly. I prefer her columns but a lot of it is complete bollox!

I read that article. Totally alien from my own experiences.

I think that she thinks she's the cool and edgy older woman that younger women can look up,to and emulate.

Her life, in effect, is very traditional - long term marriage and kids - and so it is hard for women who had a different life experience to relate to that. Or if they've ticked the marriage and two kids boxes, not many women really live in the North London middle class boho media bubble.

It just all seems a bit false to me - around the same age, but a very different life involving an abusive marriage, near bankruptcy, single in my mid thirties and infertility.

Her writing just seems to be aimed at women who have the same lifestyle or teenage girls who aspire to that lifestyle.

I do like her writing, I think she's talented and funny. BUT it's odd that she falls back so often on the tales of her chaotic Wolverhampton home education. She seems to have got at least 3 books and one sitcom out of it.. is she still going to be mining that seam when she's 50?

Janice Turner however, is ACE!

I admire he greatly. She is a witty, funny and insightful writer who has earned all her own money. And it is harder to break in journalism if you came for a working class, very limited education. I really can't see why so many posters have a problem with a financially self made woman, who fights for women issues and has been brilliant for making feminism accessible for teenagers. She's no Andrea Dworkin or Kate Millet but why should she be? You don't get employed by most major newspapers for being a shite writer. The comments here on her appearance are vile, criticising her hair and facial expressions. I also love Julie Burchill and Suzanne Moore for different reasons. Well done her for having a good marriage and a London home she bought herself I imagine. Are you all just jealous, just a thought?

Why does jealousy always get trotted out in these situations?

Not in a million years, her husband, however seems lovely, he must have the patience of a saint

costa
Because women couldn't possibly have an opinion without it being invalidated by a 'jealousy' claim. Happens quite frequently.

Don't like a celebrity - must be jealous because you're jealous of them

Think that your friend's new diet is faddy because surely it's not healthy to eat only foods thay are red on Monday and orange on Tuesday etc - You must be jealous. Your friend is probably losing weight and looking fabulous. You're just bitter.

Express your views that being a stay at home wife has financial risks and it's not the lifestyle you'd choose - Obviously, you're just jealous because you have to go to work whilst they do yoga

Have a view on a different lifestyle choice to you - you must be jealous

Calling women with opinions jealous is just another way to dismiss women's opinions. Heaven forbid women developed their own views based on experience or things they've read.

Was just wondering why so many posters seem to dislike a very successful self made woman who has proved to be a national worthy writer and has a great house and husband. I don't get the complaints, i.e. if she is WC, which she is why she should be active re WC women, why? I understand her writing may not to be every taste but some of the comments especially around her appearance are horrible. Not assuming anyone is jealous but asking? I think fair play to her, unlike India Knight who got into journalism through sheer nepotism. It reminds me of the line from little women when the mother says " If there's one thing people hate to see its women with their own money having fun." She has done nothing immoral for money and seems to be a good mum, so thats why Im wondering if there is jealousy.

Daisy calm down I asked an innocent question and wanted an honest answer, your examples are ridiculous.I did not call anyone jealous, I asked as CM is hardly a monster or enemy of women.

People have outlined why they aren't a fan of some of her work.

Finding someone's 2nd book to be a fictionalized rehash of their first book and that many subsequent pieces all seem to draw on the same ideas doesn't scream jealousy.
Equally, people saying they have an issue with her continually pushing the 'I'm so poor like you' / 'Haha. I was from a poor area so I'm wacky' annoys them isn't jealousy. Personally, I'd have more time for her recent working she dropped the persona of wacky outsider. She is well and truly in the London journalism club. If she wrote more on meaningful feminism matters rather than some anecdote about pubes and her childhood, I'd probably start reading again.

Costa ''Calling women with opinions jealous is just another way to dismiss women's opinions. Heaven forbid women developed their own views based on experience or things they've read."

You are off the mark here, I asked a decent question and did not call anyone jealous, I asked a question and did not dismiss anyones opinions. Perhaps you should reconsider your ability to read posts properly first. Its a discussion not a battle to have ago.

But it was insinuated as in 'but she's a self made woman and I don't get how anyone could not like her, are you all jealous, just a thought'.

It's fairly evident from pages of people discussing her work what people dislike. Personal comments about appearance arent to be my taste, but still doesn't scream jealousy.

Maisy maybe that is her new niche, seems to go down well in the S Times.She is very popular at live events and well attended. Of course not liking her recent work is valid but the snide comments on her looks? Personally I rely on other feminists for more hard core issues . I'm going to hear soon, will be interesting to see if their is new material. And sorry my last comment was meant for you not Costa, a simply ridiculous list of unrelated examples regarding a genuine question.

Eight fucking pages of slagging the woman off. I’d be gutted if I was her and read some of this.

They weren't stupid examples. They are times I've seen recently on here where there's been insinuation that women must be jealous if they don't like something. It's a trend i've only noticed since someone also raised it on a thread reasonably recently too. They were right. It happens.

It may well go down well in the Times. It doesn't mean everyone else is going to find it good. Put yourself in the public eye and people will form opinions about your content.
I liked her first book but find from there it's very much the same. There's some good stuff in some of her articles, but lots of it seems to be the feminist version of 'thought for the day' (take modern issue, use as springboard for what I like tlaking about).

I find her quite irritating. That's why I don't read her.

Oh and of course ‘bitching’ is a perjorative term, that’s the fucking point. Put your bitchy opinion out there on the internet and it’s fair game for criticism in the same way as that of any famous person. Don’t pretend it’s something it’s not.

I like her. Am also glad that in a world of Kardashians and young women aspiring to a Love Island existence, there are women like Caitlin Moran, Grace Dent, Lauren Leverne etc for my daughter to see, hear and read about.

I'd also say that it's absolutely fine to not like someone's writing, or points of view, but as usual with women criticising women, there's a lot of personal (appearance, personality, lifestyle) comments on this thread, which is thoroughly depressing.

Gosh I wonder if she'll be brought to this thread, imagine most journalists have to be thick skinned though.

She's OK. I find her writing mildly amusing, but wouldn't read a whole book.

I think she looks fine and it's nice to see someone who doesn't do the standard over-groomed "safe" look.

She seems like a genuine and non-bitchy person.

India Knight is far worse and seems smug and not particularly nice.