To find caitlin moran as annoying as fuck?

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New articlr in the guardian, going to read now, I'm sorry because shes generally really popular with all my female mates but...I just find her really annoying and disingenuous and anti-intellectual. Is it just me? Her (faux) grey streak also annoys me, as does the face pulling. Anyway i know its mean, but i just dont identify

www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jun/16/caitlin-moran-everything-i-know-about-sex

I doubt Caitlin Moran would be devastated by someone criticising her hair, she’s not that delicate a little petal

What a horrible thread. Such unkindness towards a very successful women.

I've read her books and I find them very entertaining. I'm a similar age to her and also grew up on a council estate so her writing really struck a chord with me. I'm also now living a very middle class lifestyle but I'm still a working class council estate kid underneath.

I really admire her for what she has achieved through her talent as a writer.

I've met her husband as he is a friend of my DH. He is the nicest person you could ever meet and I would imagine she is just as lovely.

For me, feminism is supporting other women

Ok, but feminism is actually about equality. Do you support all women then? Those who perpetuate FGM? Those who tell their DD to go back to a violent partner? Those who want to stop women having abortion rights?

It's possible to be a woman and be damaging to other women and to feminism, or just to have views or make pronouncements that other women disagree with. If you're saying as a feminist, you're never allowed to criticise another woman, then I'm afraid that's not very feminist either, as it's saying that women are special and perfect, but men can be criticised.

Yanbu. Occasional genius points but lots of mundane shite surrounding it. The Stephen Fry of feminism- ie people think she is cleverer than she is

CM was extremely kind to my elderly mum on a train once, fetching her drinks and food, rather than dm having to walk along a moving train carrying hot drinks. Dm had no idea who she was until someone asked for her autograph.

Her feminist thought may not be perfect, but at least she's got the courage to be out there, despite the horrific online abuse an openly feminist public figure is guaranteed to receive.

Jeez, still people vehemently defending their rights to slag someone off. Yes, fine, you have the right to do that. Knock yourself out.

But just imagine what you could achieve and how much nicer the world would be if you put that energy into positive things or, you know, being nice.

I answered the point about her hair so I don’t think I missed it at all

Do women have to ‘be nice’ all the time?

FFS. No. It would be nice if people were nice. It's not rocket science.

Or stood up for positive things, before I get accused of advocating passivity.

It would be lovely if everyone was nice all the time. Unfortunately some people find other people bloody irritating for all sorts of reasons. That’s life (shrug)

MsJinglyJones has a point, feminism doesn't mean supporting women just because they're women.

Oh * off MsJinglyJones

Reported.

This is entirely the point. Don't be such an arse. OF COURSE no reasonable woman supports FGM.

I was actually making a logical point. Bleating that feminism is about supporting other women is daft, because it falls down as soon as remotely start to think about it. OF COURSE no reasonable woman supports FGM. Right, of course. So therefore you need a better definition of feminism.

Not supporting me right now are you? no, because you disagree with me and you told me to f off, though I'm hardly in the FGM league of unacceptability.

Feminism is about equality - look it up if you don't believe me. I am allowed to find both men and women annoying, and fakeness and illogicality in a journalist is something I am allowed to find annoying, and say so, whatever sex they are.

I love Caitlin Moran. I’ve found myself laughing out loud at some of her writing. She’s outspoken about lots of things that other people shy away from discussing. She’s accessible to everyone, my dh loves reading her books and also finds them hysterical. And raised by wolves was brilliant , such a shame it wasn’t recommissioned.

Pretty nasty comment from you too.

Nope, entirely truthful and justified. The price of fame is that people form opinions about you based on your output and the things you say and do in public.

I quite like some of her work, but get bored with the Times having the same old columnists, especially when there are now so few jobs for journalists.

Slightly off topic but...

Is feminism solely about equality? Fairness also plays a part.

I didn't like How To Be A Woman and felt like I was the only one on the planet who didn't.
Her growing up life experience was so so different to mine.

I disliked some of it, but found some of it bang on, eg her analysis of overeating.

I'm going to see her on her book tour this Sunday 😊

How to build a girl is one of the few books that made me laugh out loud more than once.

I really like her, I'm surprised so many on MN aren't keen

Where the fuck is the sisterhood, people?

Ha ha. Bingo.

No. It would be nice if people were nice. It's not rocket science

That's another way of shutting down criticism

I love her because she makes me laugh out loud and I think she’s very sensible and pragmatic while also being brave and progressive. I loved How To Be A Woman. I love her in print and on the radio.

But yes I agree with the people who say she comes across as annoying in photographs. She really does!

But she doesn’t have the grey steak to make the rest look natural. The grey bit is actually the but that’s dyed.

Haven't read the full thread but had to come on and say I absolutely love caitlin. Genuinely don't get all the hate that comes her way on Mumsnet. Find her writing very inspiring and very very funny. We come from very similar backgrounds though so maybe that's why I can relate to alot of her stories. Either way she seems like a harmless enough person so why all the vitriol?