To find caitlin moran as annoying as fuck?

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New articlr in the guardian, going to read now, I'm sorry because shes generally really popular with all my female mates but...I just find her really annoying and disingenuous and anti-intellectual. Is it just me? Her (faux) grey streak also annoys me, as does the face pulling. Anyway i know its mean, but i just dont identify

www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jun/16/caitlin-moran-everything-i-know-about-sex

Can’t stand her, never could

Just sayin what? that women have to be affirmative to another woman just because..
My not liking Caitlin doesn’t diminish or negate her opinions.
Just sayin

I was going to say how irritating I find her gurning facial poses, then I clicked on the link and she's at it again!

I want to like her, I do, and I think someone in her position doing what she does could be a fabulous thing – and in fact is useful for many young women.

But I wish she would relax and just be more of a grown-up and an actual feminist. It really annoyed me when she said she couldn't go on panel shows because they were hostile to women for example. FFS don't go on them if you aren't good at that kind of thing or don't want to for whatever reason, but be honest about it. When there are many fabulously funny and competent women doing them brilliantly, and also in some cases hosting them, you are just talking shite.

I think she comes across as not very confident in who she is and craving approval. Which isn't something I can hate her for, but it's not the great role model for women that she's set up as.

Look at Mary Beard in action and you see a funny, witty, highly intelligent woman who seems to know and love being who she is. So I wish Caitlin would be more Mary.

I often feel like I wouldn’t be cool enough to be her friend. Which puts me off generally. And when she was writing about wearing an old army coat (or something) it felt less like feminism and more like be young and edgy.

I’m not tearing her down though, I’m a big fan of second hand clothes and you can’t be friends with everyone.

No idea who she is so I’ve just googled her. Girlfriend needs a 101 in how to apply and blend make up.

Also I have 3 grey hairs growing together and they will recruit more to create a streak. I’d love it but it’s not happening.

Just saying, you don't have to agree with someone or be their best mate but you also don't have to bitch about them on the internet. Unless it's Donald Trump or someone who's actually a baddie. Just seems a bit teenage to enjoy being vicious about a successful woman you don't even know.

Can't stand her either. Too disingenuous and crass.

Don’t dismiss women having a discussion as bitching. Bitching is a pejorative term used to specifically diminish women’s discourse

She’s a ‘girl gang’ feminist -

Look at me with my squad, grl pwr! er no, you can’t sit with us.

Sali Hughes is just as bad.

Not to be offensive to teenagers, many of whom are lovely.

I like her first book, it introduced a lot of teenage girls to feminism in a funny and accessible way which is only a goodl thing.

BUT

What really annoys me about her (and Sali Hughes to be fair) is repeatedly playing the poverty card whilst belonging to this guardian writing, middle class, London set of journalists that have no interest in equality now they're well off. Writing articles encouraging people not to vote labour in the run up to the 2017, what is your agenda there? How is that helpful? What is the alternative? It's not you that relies on a cruel benefit system anymore...

Don't bang on about how poor you were, what a lifeline benefits were to you, and then literally try and pull the drawbridge up after you because you have money now...

Just saying, you don't have to agree with someone or be their best mate but you also don't have to bitch about them on the internet.

Well, the stuff people said about her hair and maybe her facial expressions probably counts as “bitching”, though I don’t like that term. But it’s fine to criticise her ideas. Feminism has become very watered down over the past couple of decades and I see pop feminists like her as a major cause of that.

It's very much feminism for her and her friends only

What makes Donal Trump fair game then? (I would happily tear strips of him FYI). I don’t know him, I disagree with his politics but he’s not my president. It remains to be seen whether he’ll be effective. Where is the list of who is a “baddie”?

You say she's 20 years too late with what she's saying but although everybody on mumsnet has said what she's saying years ago, it needs to be made more mainstream. Perhaps. I don't find her all that annoying. I think I have thought, ''i could do this'' I could write this type of article but possibly better, and funnier. And when you think that, it's bound to make you feel disinclined to like the person who got the job.

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She’s got a sycophantic mass of fans on mn who all arse lick if she appears

So this is grown up discussion? Yeah, I'm going to stand by bitchy. You're making nasty comments, not engaging in intelligent conversation.

Many posters are, though, to be fair. I'm just taking issue with the bitchy insert synonym here ones.

MyOtherUsernameisaPun care to point out how CM is transphobic?

What really annoys me about her (and Sali Hughes to be fair) is repeatedly playing the poverty card whilst belonging to this guardian writing, middle class, London set of journalists that have no interest in equality now they're well off.

Yes! In Caitlin’s case she escaped that less privileged life very early. If I recall rightly she was already working as a music journalist at around 16 and was very successful within the first few years of her career. Extremely unusual, but she writes about it in a way that makes it sound easy. It’s not helpful.

@IHeartKingThistle
We're allowed to discuss what we want. You don't have to uphold a woman just because shes a woman. Thats not the point. Im also allowed not to like her hair, since the goal with the hair (and the makeup, and the second hand clothing preference) is to "say something", aka to convey a message. Otherwise she'd just do a GG and slap on a bit of lippie before going on the telly thats about it. So basically - she wants us to feel a certain way about her. Im responding to that desire.

I dont believe I have to support women irrespective of their goals and personality, just because their women. Although i love the women in my life and look up to many women, both celebrity and non celebrity.

@missmoz agree completely. Sali Hughes also makes a huge deal about being homeless when she was a teenager, even though she actually ran away to London and lived with a mate. I did the same, albeit to Manchester, but I’d never dream of describing myself as having been homeless.

I like her. To say she should be more like Mary Beard is kind of like saying Haribo should be more like broccoli. Or something.

I don't have a list of baddies, fair point. I just probably wouldn't leap to Trump's defence. And I'm pretty sure CM hasn't separated 2000 children from their families in the last 6 weeks.

Thistle,try not instructing other women in what they should do and then dismissing opinions you don’t care for as bitchy

This is something we should discuss. I won't have a go at her appearance or slag her off, although I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing whether how people look (male or female).

But it is interesting and worth discussing, that this is the kind of "feminist" who get a ton of column inches and airtime and gets lauded as cool. As PPs have said, a pretty shallow, "girl gang", man-pleasing feminist who (as she says) goes on about sex a lot, but doesn't really address structural inequality at all and isn't prepared to make herself unpopular by getting all political.

I actually appreciate any kind of feminism getting any kind of airtime, it's better than not, and I do welcome some of the things she has done such as talking about abortion. But we should be aware that when a book like How to be A Woman is lauded in the press as what feminism looks like, there's some gatekeeping going on.