To find caitlin moran as annoying as fuck?

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New articlr in the guardian, going to read now, I'm sorry because shes generally really popular with all my female mates but...I just find her really annoying and disingenuous and anti-intellectual. Is it just me? Her (faux) grey streak also annoys me, as does the face pulling. Anyway i know its mean, but i just dont identify

www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jun/16/caitlin-moran-everything-i-know-about-sex

I liked the first book of hers I read, until I read the second one and it had about 50% of the same content. That's just fucking lazy.

And ALL THE SHOUTING JUST FUCKING CALM DOWN. LADY GAGA IS ACTUALLY PRETTY SHITE.

Yes, pretty much. Inclusive = relatable to a lot of people. Obviously she's writing in a fairly mass market publication so not for a niche audience.

Or, we could just appreciate that there is one more feminist in the world putting stuff out there IN CAPITAL LETTERS and writing about important things and doing it in an accessible way. You know, instead of dragging down a fellow woman and bitching about her hair. Just saying.

I agree, she's a good egg. I don't agree with everything she says, but why the fuck should I? As to "I prefer proper feminists like GG" my eyes literally rolled in to my head. GG is great but she has said some explosively bad things. Not to mention I was blind sided and forced to look up her arsehole on that documentary the other day.

We only expect this from women, specifically feminists. They have to be everything to everyone. Case in point she has been called "transphobic" on here.. In what fucking way? I'm gender critical, unless she has made an absolutely huge turn about she most def is NOT and supports transwomen as women. Or is it because she mentions vaginas? Has she got that wrong talking about women's bodies? Not modern enough. It's boring. It really is.

I find her irritating as fuck too for all the points above, esp the PP who said massive attention seeker.

She earns a complete fortune btw. Have a friend who properly knows and I was shocked.

Also all the luvviness with eg Sali Hughes, India Knight etc does my head in.

Tell you who I like, though, and that is Hilary Rose. Nice self deprecating writing and more quietly cool. Also love that bloke at the back of the Times mag - Robert Crampton. Much smaller egos, both, yet ace writers.

I think she dumbs down to be "inclusive". Something GG and Burchill never did, to their credit.

I don’t think Caitlin dumbs down, I think she has limited range.that is often down and dumb

I find her irritating as fuck too for all the points above, esp the PP who said massive attention seeker.

Of course she is! They all are, you simply would not put yourself through this if you weren't an attention seeker. See GG's arsehole refrenced above.

*I mean seriously her books are "gateway" books or something that teenagers could read to "get them into" feminism?

My mum gave me The Female Eunuch for my 14th birthday.*

Yes, Tangled, but expectations for teenagers are much lower now and everything has been dumbed down a lot (assuming you are my generation or older, late thirties plus). Plenty of 14 year olds have never read anything except Harry Potter. Plenty of 19 year olds haven’t either! They’re not going to go straight from that to The Female Eunuch.

SOME will be ready for more advanced feminist texts, but for those who aren’t, How to Be a Woman could potentially be suitable reading.

The problem is with getting these teens to realise there’s so, so much more to feminism once they’ve finished it...

Can most people really relate to her narrow ridiculous journalistically described lifestyle/experience? I doubt it. I think its just 'dressed up' that way.

The stuff she writes for teen girls is really important at the moment. I know it's ridiculous to think we actually need someone telling girls they should enjoy sex but if you read any of the statstics around anal/ oral etc and young teens. WE REALLY NEED THIS

Thats cruel Lipstick. But what if its true?

What does she write about that Job? Genuinely interested. Never read anything she's wrote on that.

Not cruel in least. Caitlin has a repetitive style,key phrases,and bit schlock
The content is v often dumb and down click bait

I like her, but I don’t read all her journalism.
I’ve read her novel ‘how to be a girl’ and the feminism book that came before that.
I like her fun approach and her humour. She’s very honest about taboo subjects like masturbation.
She’s got a high opinion of herself for sure. Good for her I say.

CM & SH are as smug as hell. They write utter dribble. It’s the guardian / the pool aren’t we just so awesome gang of uneducated, university loathing,champagne socialists.
Bashing capitalism from their apple gadgets in their Bella Freud jumpers and Gucci belts is hilarious!

I don't read her articles so it would be in one of/ all of her books (it's been a while). Although the article linked in the OP seems to be on that theme (not read it yet). She talks about teen masterbation from the female perspective, I remember reading a truly shocking review from a male critic that just oozed misogny. He was not impressed. All the gore, never tries to sex up the sex if you see what I mean. Just all the gross terrible detail of girls finding their way and the way and how she would as a teen try to get pleasure from the male recieving pleasure. Basically shagging through the male gaze, how it wasn't about her. I 'll pass on her books to my teens of both sexes when they are older.

I dont care about class but since others are mentioning it...

She was actually born in brighton which is a pretty middle class place other than the poorer parts outside of the centre. Didnt she only move to whampton at secondary school age?

Plus her mum is middle class and her dads a musician which makes me think the whole slumming it in whampton thing was more a lifestyle choice than people on the edge of the abyss.

I'm really waiting for an answer in to what way she is transphobic though. I'm sick of hearing the term being bandied around because someone heard something once that someone said something else said. WOmen get no platofrmed because they've been tarred with the brush completely unfairly.

Plus her mum is middle class and her dads a musician which makes me think the whole slumming it in whampton thing was more a lifestyle choice than people on the edge of the abyss.

are disability and alcoholism lifestyle choices now?

I know it's ridiculous to think we actually need someone telling girls they should enjoy sex but if you read any of the statstics around anal/ oral etc and young teens. WE REALLY NEED THIS

I think most of the posters criticising her feminism for being superficial are probably acutely aware of the need for young girls to be told sex should be enjoyable for them as well as their male partner. But is Caitlin Moran doing this? Where? I haven’t seen it, but willing to admit I’m wrong if she is actually doing this.

Even in the linked article in the OP there is very little about actually having sex for physical pleasure. And the short section about the teenage sex with an older man that seems dodgy in hindsight is as far as she goes in exploring the completely broken power dynamics between teen girls and their male partners.

Not really relevant to the whole CM debate.... but if we're on the subject of lifestyle journalists in the Saturday Times Magazine, Melanie Reid's Spinal Column reduces me to tears at least every other week.

I'm really waiting for an answer in to what way she is transphobic though.

I would be curious to know this too.

I quite often quite like Caitlin as light entertainment (slightly damning with faint praise). Her piece in today's times mag wasn't deep but it was nice, and reminded me that I probably should find out if I can give blood after not being up to it for a few years.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/caitlin-moran-donating-blood-is-like-giving-thanks-kt5ftm7td?shareToken=79f0a51de0a39fd94146881bd3a41717

I could probably type "who?" but it would be pointless

Melanie Reid's Spinal Column reduces me to tears at least every other week. Yes it's heart rending. I count my blessings every time I read her work.