To find caitlin moran as annoying as fuck?

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New articlr in the guardian, going to read now, I'm sorry because shes generally really popular with all my female mates but...I just find her really annoying and disingenuous and anti-intellectual. Is it just me? Her (faux) grey streak also annoys me, as does the face pulling. Anyway i know its mean, but i just dont identify

www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jun/16/caitlin-moran-everything-i-know-about-sex

I find her writing a bit grating. Her description of childhood The pomposity of it
Growing Everyone else was feral and uncultured whilst she’s a high minded intellectual

Absolutely. Like me saying (being bought up really very poor by a widowed mother) that it was like being in a Dickens novel.

I went off Caitlin Moran when she wrote an article in the ST saying she spent more time and anguish choosing her kitchen cabinets than she did deciding to have an abortion of child number 3.

As I spent 4 months choosing our kitchen and 30 seconds on "if this IS a pregnancy I'm going to terminate it" 4 months after my son's birth, I don't have a problem with her reasoning.
Lots of times the decision not to continue a pregnancy is a no-brainer; it doesn't have to be difficult.
(Of course if you believe life begins at conception you'd take a different view; I don't)

However, there are so few powerful influential women about, surely us fellow women should not be pushing them down. We should save that for men instead

So Caitlin said remember when asked to ask Lena Dunham why there were no people of colour in Girls (which is set in BROOKLYN) she replied "i couldnt give a fuck about that" (or words to that effect probably the only balsy thing she's ever said. The kind of thing GG or Burchill might say (or me haha!).

She writes things that don't cost her anything. Even Janice Turner manages that. If you're not prepared to do that, thats 100% fine, but you still have to write something decent. She can't do either. The only time I was genuinely moved by something she wrote was about her poor upbringing - her dad didn't work and was on benefits and there were loads of children. But then again, he was a jazz musician (or something) and chose that kind of "benefits" lifestyle, something people probably can't do anymore. I'm not knocking it, its just shut off from a lot of people's reality and she doesn't seem to get that.

Gutted. I totally got this mixed up with Katie morag off CBeebies. Backing away ....

My issue with Caitlin is her portrayal of wc as a lumpen mass to be escaped
It is all v smug and self congratulatory,

[grin]@itsbritneybiatch

I've never heard of her before. I thought parts of that article very quite witty/ funny/insightful.

"The querulous utterance of “Mummy, what are youdoing?” has prevented more sex than religion and Donald Trump’s face combined."

"The ‘at your parents’ and their sheer appallingness makes us horny – quick, go and do it in the shed’ sex"

And a not so funny one;
"The ‘fine at the time – but now you look back and are not an eager-to-please 18-year-old, that was super-dodgy".

I would need to read more of her stuff, to form a proper opinion. Her writting does come accross as trying a bit hard in some places, which I imagine could be really annoying in a book.

I thought it was good that she wrote about abortion being an easy decision for her and the right thing, and showing that it doesn't always have to be a horrendous thing that you regret forever. That might have helped some people.

But, I agree that she'll make anything into "shocking" currency, so I also wondered if it was really true that she didn't give a toss in the way she described.

Gutted. I totally got this mixed up with Katie morag off CBeebies
Haha that made me giggle

I just read the article.
I like CM, her life and choices are different to mine, but there are nuggets of fun, wit and insight in her writing. Yes, it is bit self absorbed and attention seeking but hey, she is a columnist and this is what pays the rent.
I like the gurning, it's better than pouting duck faces. I don't care if the Cruella de Ville look is natural or not and I'm certainly not going to judge her clothes or shoes.

Thank Christ for that, I've finally found my people. I positively loathe her schtick, YADNBU!

I like her. Tbf i don't read The Times so I don't follow her 'my interesting life' columns (not a fan of that kind of journalism anyway), but I enjoyed her books.

I agree that she makes feminism feel accessible/real to those who may have felt distanced from it and that should be applauded. Her 'definition' of the term is powerful in this regard.

As she describes her background, it sounds genuine enough. She may have escaped it early, but it's still very different to the comfortable middle class upbringing of most journalists.

Moran lived in a three-bedroom council house in Wolverhampton with her parents and siblings

Really?! She never mentions it.

I think I've found my people too .

And in a sober moment, yeah on second , it is worth reflecting how her journalism is so fucking bolloxy pseudo-feminist safe - thats why the Granniad and Timids (Guardian and Times) employed her. A little lip service to the feminastas but nothing that wouldn't be amiss in "Cake Wars" or "Bake Off".

*very quite

at my own post!

Re her background, she goes on about how working-class she is and growing up on a council estate etc, but her parents were clearly engaged and motivated enough to home-school her and produce a child who is intellectually very able and very confident. That's not the background or outcome of a lot of people who grew up on council estates and/or identify as working-class. It's a bit disingenuous the way she plays the class card IMO.

I mean seriously her books are "gateway" books or something that teenagers could read to "get them into" feminism?

My mum gave me The Female Eunuch for my 14th birthday.

^ True Darling, something that seems to have never crossed her tinymind. Must stop the now.

Yes v much so,she describes working classes like a feral uneducated mass
Whilst bigging herself up

She got rid of the grey streak didn't she?

Gosh I totally disagree with a lot of the judgements here. I find her warm, inclusive and encouraging, especially to young women, who she describes as her target audience in the linked article. I think her writing does cost her a lot personally, she shares a huge amount of exposing information about herself that most of us wouldn't dream of. Those posters that are disappointed that she isn't a serious enough feminist... I'm not disagreeing with you but why is that a flaw that she should be criticised for? Surely that's an issue more broadly about a lack of entertaining writers pushing a feminist agenda?

You say judgments, I say (fair) opinions.

What does "inclusive" mean? People who don't understand things and have to have it explained in a baby-style?