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Children being introduced to affair partner

157 replies

user123456781 · 15/06/2018 05:47

4 weeks after being found out cheating and leaving (had been playing happy families before)

H had known her about 4 weeks before Dday

Kids (9 and 8) were told Saturday why he left.

Yesterday he FaceTimed OW during contact with kids and got them to say Hi

I'm broken...not sure how much more I can take...my poor babies

This is not ok is it? Aibu?

OP posts:
Ifonlyus · 15/06/2018 07:40

Flowers I'm so sorry OP. I don't have any advice but want to offer my sympathy for how your husband has decided to treat his children and wife of 19 years.

ravenmum · 15/06/2018 07:44

Children do understand a lot instinctively. And children grow up, and look back, and remember what their parents did, and judge them with their adult knowledge. Remind him of that. His behaviour may alienate them from him for life.

mothers are different mothers are different. Generally, they put their kids before their need for a shag.
No, women who have affairs do just this kind of thing too.

user123456781 · 15/06/2018 07:44

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HollyGibney · 15/06/2018 07:45

You can't control what he does during his time with them. You are hurting, don't use the children as pawns

Hmm where does the OP indicate in any way that she is or will be using her children as pawns?

KittyHawke80 · 15/06/2018 07:48

News to me that you can’t stop him seeing them with the new ‘partner’ present - I’ve actually drafted orders stipulating just that. Sure, there have to be compelling reasons, but if the children are emotionally distressed and having additional help, that may well be enough. It’s much too early - your solicitor will confirm it’s much too early; his wil be telling him it’s much too early. It’s best to try and agree these things in negotiation, and I have to say that a lot of the time, sadly, the parent with the new partner ignores the terms of the order anyway, but you emphatically don’t have to throw your hands up and say “Well, he can do what his wants on his time” - he can’t. Nonsense.

MaryandMichael · 15/06/2018 07:54

Get your babies counselling, OP, now and when it's needed as they grow up.

user123456781 · 15/06/2018 07:56

I've asked for them to be referred for counselling via school

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ravenmum · 15/06/2018 08:06

My bf's dw ran off with her affair partner, taking their daughter with them. She tried to have access taken away from him (based on the idea expressed above that children don't really need dads), but he fought and won 50/50 in court. The little girl didn't get on with the new man and her marks went down in school. A year later, the happy couple broke up; more stress, worse school marks. Now, the mum's realised what an idiot she was being and is living alone with her dd and dating normally. Her school marks have shot right back up again.

Ask him what will happen if they split up, too; how many new Aunties the children are potentially going to be introduced to. Ask what he would think if you were doing the same thing. He won't openly admit to his stupidity, but it might filter through at the back of his head.

ReanimatedSGB · 15/06/2018 08:07

You're going to have to try to frame it for the DC as a potential good thing that they have a new, kind, involved adult in their lives. (However complex the parents' relationship might be, the more kind, loving, interested adults in a child's life, the better.) If she becomes their stepmother, you want the relationship between them and her to be a happy, positive one, not full of resentment. If you start out portraying her as an enemy, it's going to make things more difficult for your DC in the long run.

LapsedHumanist · 15/06/2018 08:08

Ok, deep breath.

He’s a bastard. You know that. You are (rightly) focussing on taking your children’s pain away.

Here’s the benefit of hindsight as someone who was in your children’s position when I was a similar age. I’m sure a lot of this has occurred to you anyway.

My dad introduced me to the affair partner whilst it was still an affair, before he left. I sat in the front room with her very embarrassed grandfather whilst they were otherwise occupied.

Then, soon after, he left. And I was destroyed. Absolutely heartbroken, confused, shattered.

It’s good (well, better than it might be) that your children are crying, that they are obviously distressed, that they are additional support. It’s better that than they bottle it up, stuff it down, leave it to fester for decades.

You can’t control his behaviour. As you say, he’s got no better nature to appeal to. He is utterly selfish.

Let your children talk about it, cry, talk about how they feel. Let them grieve openly (because it wasn’t til after my mum died many years later that I realised that what I had experienced as a child was grief).

He may or may not stick around in their lives. If he does stick around he may foist all manner of relationships and arrangements on them. It will be hard for them and they will get distressed.

Don’t ever let them think they have to hide their distress from you. It is so, so shit that they have to go through this, and that you have to support them through it. They will be angry, sad, confused, distressed. Let them have their own valid emotions and responses and work through those. Let them grieve in public. It will be quicker, easier and better.

Never think for a moment that any of this is your fault. Never for a moment let them think it is any of their fault.

Metoodear · 15/06/2018 08:10

This makes me laugh and they actually think the person they cheated with would be excepted by the children

This is why many step mothers have issues because your relationship started on the back of an affair of course the children are gonna hate you and then when the children then loose respect for the father their actually amazed that the children loose interest

Because what they really want is a close meaningful relationship with the people who fucked their family over

And often if the kids were older the father was lying to the children as well

ravenmum · 15/06/2018 08:14

You're going to have to try to frame it for the DC as a potential good thing that they have a new, kind, involved adult in their lives. ... If you start out portraying her as an enemy, it's going to make things more difficult for your DC in the long run.
OP is not portraying her as the enemy. But neither should she tell the children that this situation is a good thing. What if they feel awful about it (for their own perfectly good reasons), but instead of sympathising, their mum is telling them "Oh, it's fine"?
I asked my children how they felt, and kept my opinions to myself.

Metoodear · 15/06/2018 08:15

ReanimatedSGB No the hard sell is his job and his alone

I don’t think she would say anything about the fecking home wrecker

She shouldn’t frame affairs as a good thing at all

Let him sell vinger as a refreshing drink I think he will find his kids will pass

rogueone · 15/06/2018 08:19

Your DC emotional well being is a priority. You can insist on phone contact only. Your DC are being supported at school and are upset and people on this thread are saying you can’t do anything about it. Priority is always your DC and your ex is behaving atrociously and has shown no care for his DC. Protect your DC from emotional abuse. See a solicitor. Your not using your DC as pawns you are protecting them from his wreckless attitude to there emotional well-being.

user1483387154 · 15/06/2018 08:20

He is an arse doing this but unfortunately there is nothing you can do to stop him if he won't listen to reason

watchingwithinterest · 15/06/2018 08:21

Wow he is a piece of work.

They will make their own mind up about him don't worry, but in the meantime do what you are doing, supporting them all the way and being the very best parent you can be.

You can provide stability, decency and unconditional love, that is all they need to get through this.

rogueone · 15/06/2018 08:21

Also on a separate note why would anyone think it acceptable to introduce a new partner anyway after 4 weeks never mind the circumstances!

LittleLionMansMummy · 15/06/2018 08:41

"The dc have told me they've been introduced to the OW and were distressed when they returned home. You'll understand that, given the circumstances, I can't allow them to become distressed like that again - they are still grieving for their parents' relationship and the family life we shared. I'd like to ask you not to do so again until we both agree they are ready. If you dismiss my concerns, I will seek legal advice regarding contact to put firm boundaries in place."

FASH84 · 15/06/2018 08:44

@AjasLipstick Claire's Law only tells those with a vested interest about any concerns the person in question is a DV perp. Having worked for many years in the field, the number of female to male DV perps is incredibly low.

FASH84 · 15/06/2018 08:45

@rogueone did you not see the thread the other day about taking the new partner (of six weeks) to sports day to run the dad's race, because the kids love him so much! It beggars belief...

RideOn · 15/06/2018 08:46

No it's not ok. I'm not sure what to suggest other than asking him to contact someone about advice on how long to leave it before introducing the OW to the DC/ refer him to some impartial advice.

Suggest you and he review the situation in 3-6 months depending on advice of counsellor/overall way children coping.
I suspect (with his attitude) he would probably think he can spend time in person with her and them at next contact, or at least a week or 2.

Saying your only interest in this is to try to reduce the devastating emotional impact his actions have had on children, that he cannot see the effect, because he is not there.

rogueone · 15/06/2018 08:49

FASH84 no way! I missed that one

LittleLionMansMummy · 15/06/2018 08:51

Also, I never understand the general consensus that women encourage children to see their dads at all costs. He's a selfish dickhead who is damaging them. Why should OP pretend how great he is and encourage a relationship between them?

Because the children love both their parents, whatever they do, and unless there is abuse it's in their best interests to maintain a relationship with both. It is hugely detrimental to a child's emotional wellbeing and long term mental health not to have a relationship with a parent they have loved for years. That's why the courts take a similar view around contact. In this case, he's a total shit who is totally wrong to introduce them so soon - therefore a warning before further action would be the most effective response, however much you feel like ripping him a new one (and he deserves it).

JeezYouLoon · 15/06/2018 08:52

Wow, he's a real catch of a bloke, good luck to his new woman.

I'm so sorry OP, it must be awful for you, however you are doing the right thing by your DCs. Talk, talk and talk to them, reiterate you're always there for them to talk to - it must be awful for them.

Unfortunately you can't make him do anything, you'd probably be better talking to a brick wall. Accept he's a dick and be there for your DCs, ultimately they will decide the best course of action. Although I think he will cause a huge amount of heartache in the meantime - what a selfish twat of a man.

Juells · 15/06/2018 09:07

It's one of my pet peeves, the way departing partners force their new wonderful love on their DC. My children were a bit older when I finally broke up with DH, but the same thing started happening - she was there every time he had the children, complete with biscuits and lemonade, which they didn't have at home.

I know I'll be flamed for this, but it's what I did...I'd been a complete fool, had been working hard to try to save my marriage, not realising there was something else going on. Even when 'we decided' to split, I was bending over backwards to be reasonable. But the second we split she miraculously appeared on the scene, and my good nature went out the window. DDs were 10 and 8, and I gave it to them straight - if you agree to this you'll never see your DF alone again, she'll be there every single time. It was tough on them - when he'd phone the eldest would just keep saying "No, we want to see you on your own. Why can't we see you on your own?" Broken record. He was so tough, she'd come off the phone in tears. He held out for two months, refusing to see them unless they agreed to her being there. The younger one didn't give a shit as he'd never paid her any attention, but it was very hard on the older girl. She held her nerve though, and I do think they learned from it that they don't have to be subject to the whims of other people, they can control what they're expected to do. He gave in after two months.

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