To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit now

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I took on the mantle to start another thread. If that is not allowed, Mods delete the thread, I am not sure of the protocol. But it certainly is an interesting discussion!

If allowed to stay as my OP, let's go!

Really good points Amber...I feel the same.
It’s an interesting thread, and the wide range of views expressed show just how uttterly divided the country remains, two years after the referendum.
Find Hey’s repetitive attempts at sarcasm and belittling, in response to anyone with a differing opinion, tiresome, and a little bit vacuous...so I skip over her/his posts now. Many posters however are incredibly knowledgeable, and whilst I fundamentally disagree with some of them, I do respect an intelligent debate and I’m really enjoying the thread(s)

Lettuce I’ve been doing this firca

....oops, trying to type and jump over a gate at the same time 😂
Lettuce I’ve been buying extra pasta, rice, tinned tomatoes, tinned lentils, brown rice etc for a while now...I have quite a stash. Also finally listened to my DH, and keep the car topped up, rather than letting it get down to fumes 🤭

@lettuceWrap , I agree. No harm no n getting a bit extra in as you go along. If you want to prep further, as I do, there are plenty of online resources. Ignore big sweaty beardy Americans with guns hysteria and see if they have any useful tips. Prepper Pot Pourri in YouTube is a sensible woman who is highly respected by all the sweaty American men with guns (they are probably a bit intimidated by her). She's a middle aged Michigan who lives in the suburbs.
As I say, I don't think the sky will fall in if we crash out but a bit of a buffer in your supply of food and a petrol tank never less than half full is a good idea anyway.

Thanks lostinsunshine - I’ll look her up. I think the whole ‘having a bit extra’ in reserve is a really good plan generally.

@Luisa27 she just comes across as a positive practical person. Very friendly but you wouldn't mess with her. I've had a few interactions with her in the Comments section of her videos. She's such a sound person. And she's a bit of a techie too.

@scooting
Nicely put comments about the change in society which in contrast to some of the weird and vile posts previous shows a reason to the current position.
Adults taking the jobs of youngsters. OK picking is not a 'right' for youngsters but assuming it is at least reasonably well paid and not exploitative is part of a life learning experience. Friends would be made and so on. I didn't do it but DP did. Universal dislike of being 'exploited' which would spur them on to find something better. The 'entitled' kids of today playing on their smartphones learn relatively little about real life and can turn into obnoxious brats in the future as they have little experience of dealing with real people that you have to interact with because they don't have an 'unfriend' switch. As a youngster the 'mobile phone' was a radio telephone built into a car.

In terms of preparation, if finances allow, a BIT of stockpiling would be prudent as the last few posts have suggested, and perhaps consider some saving, maybe in Euros/Dollars. The effects are likely to be economic rather than widespread violence. It would be interesting to see if there has been any strengthening in laws about 'illegal' assemblies or other powers being given to police or the army.
Rolling out the use of Tazers or more armed police even.

Growing your own veg and stockpiling us dollars? The government banning assembly?

I’m sorry but Im struggling to see how our leaving the eu results in instant authoritarian dystopia. This feels a bit like when the press hyped up the year 2000 bug and then nothing happened. We live in a stable country whichever way you cut it - I think it would take a genuinely global shock (and one country leaving the eu isn’t on that scale) to even threaten that.

I know many of you don’t agree but why should your economic concerns trump my concerns over the future of the uk to determine its own course? In 20 years time the eu will have an even former grip on member states. Why isn’t that a valid worry? In fact, why isn’t that just as likely to result in the dystopian future alluded to on this page?

@Heyduggeesflipflop

See what you done? Gove said there would nt be a Mad Max style future BUT there is a lot in between that we may end up with and it ll ALL be your fault lol!
Pls dont stock pile, the mob will see you ve supplies/ food and take them off you, killing your family in the process.

I ll be relying on the agreed 2 year transition deal that will happen following next March, a lot can happen in those years, hopefully we ll have a PM who ll actually govern in the best interests of the UK rather than the best interests of their party.

I don't think your concerns are valid because I don't see the EU the same way.

I don't believe they did have an inordinate amount of power over the UK. What is you think they controlled/forced on us that we didn't have the power to stop and why do you think it's a bad thing?

And we have a massive say in EU policy, so even if the EU was governing us, we still had a say. If we leave but stay in the single market, which is the only feasible alternative I see, we still have to follow most of the rules but have none of the say.

I genuinely do not care if people who voted for Brexit, lose everything. They can house themselves under a fuckton of blue passports and eat sovereignty. The cunts

Yeah! Those fuckers should have been grateful for the scraps which were dropping from the table. How dare they be fucked off with competing in a race to the bottom with the rest of eastern Europe, who are prepared to work for a pittance living 3 to a room in a HMO.

The aims and aspirations of all Europeans, and of course the even wider world are basically the same. Run through the topics in the bill of human rights and it is all there. Every country has some who want to exploit others for their own gain. If you are unhappy with your salary now, go discuss it with your employer. Legislation prevents the employer from sacking you instantly just for asking for a rise. Without legislation the employer can just hand you your P45 and throw you out. No reference, no compensation, no comeback.
It will not be a 'Mad Max' scenario but for a moment think of the chaos in the UK last winter when it snowed heavily for a couple of days. Now move that thought to it continuing in some form for several weeks, while the government hastily try to get supplies shipped into the UK and not pay massively over the odds for it. The trade agreements are null and void, suppliers from the USA/Europe/elsewhere can legitimately say yes you can have the stuff you had before but the price to you has now gone up 10 percent.

DownTheBucketHole I live near Brussels, and my Spanish friends, some of whom have lived throughout the NATO nations, and outwith the EU, can see why we voted Leave. I didn't say they agreed, but they can see why the UK voted as it did. I quite frankly don't give a toss what you believe as you don't know my friends.

I can see why some people chose to vote Remain. Again, I don't agree with them, but can understand why they did. Surely you can see that it is possible to understand why an action was taken even if you don't agree with it or wouldn't have done it yourself?

The EU doesn't have to sell to the UK. It would take a bit more organising within Europe but using the collective might of over 300 Million Europeans, greater than the population of the USA they can switch their focus to India, China and elsewhere with rising economies.
The UK is too arrogant and think they are 'special'. Unfortunately the gun diplomacy of the Victorian era is over in most of the world. You have to negotiate not shoot those who might challenge you.

Scaryteacher

That’s a great point - there were excellent reasons to vote remain. The same applies to leave.

But the difference is this: I can acknowledge that a remain vote represented the safe economic course. But the remain side refuse to acknowledge equally valid concerns over immigration and sovereignty. Instead they ascribe such concerns to either misunderstanding and/or blaming the government.

Who rules me matters. How we manage immigration matters. My leave vote matters.

I don't think the issue is that people refuse to acknowledge them, I think the issue (at least for me) is that I don't think they are equally valid. In my eyes we already had sovereignty and the ability to control immigration and no leaver has been able to give me a convincing argument that we didn't. Whereas, remainers are giving very valid points about the impact Brexit will have on the economy.

To date, I am only able to see pain from Brexit with no tangible positive. I don't understand how anyone can see Brexit, especially with no deal, as a positive outcome. I'm willing to listen to the other side but I haven't been given any answers I am able to understand or agree with.

Food prices are going to rise, opportunity is going to down and for what gain?

I'm a Remain voter. I acknowledge the bad call made on allowing wider immigration from new member states - this was a UK government choice not an imposition. We should have insisted uk workers do the low skill jobs if there was a labour gap.
But we didn't need to smash up the future to fix this.
As for sovereignty, I don't think we lost this. I piss myself laughing at Leavers whinging about unelected peers in the Lords and unelected judges disagreeing with them. All British traitors for not agreeing with them and carrying out British sovereignty.

But the remain side refuse to acknowledge equally valid concerns over immigration and sovereignty. Instead they ascribe such concerns to either misunderstanding and/or blaming the government.

It all goes over my head a bit, but AFAICS other countries in the EU were able to organise things differently. The British government chose when incomers became eligible for benefits. That wasn't forced by the EU. Eastern European countries closed their borders when it suited them, and the sky didn't fall in.

Was the majority of immigration to UK even from the EU? Wasn't a lot more from what were British colonies overseas? Stopping immigration from the EU won't put a halt to that, will it?

Agree with you Motheroffoyrdragons, it makes no sense at all

I dare a Leave voter to tell me they are fine waiting in an NHS queue next to people who don't speak English but are immigrants from Commonwealth countries , they just don't like waiting next to Polish people.
This "we don't want EU immigrants in our hospital queues " smelled like code for something pretty vile.

England always was ruled by English parliament, apart from periods in the past when it was ruled by others.
Immigration always was regulated by the British government. It had the powers but did not use them.
The government could have stopped the development of the Trident replacement and building of aircraft carriers. Britain on it's own, as it is becoming, does not NEED aircraft carriers because there is nowhere in the world that it could fight alone with any hope of 'winning'. That money could be channeled into the NHS it only takes a few pushes of a pen. These are facts, get over them, or complain to your MP because they were not exercising the rights the government always had to your liking.
As a small test:
If the government had said 'You can leave the EU and all the ties we have with it but as we get favourable deals the prices of general household goods and food will go up by 10 percent for at least a couple of years while we try to negotiate decent deals with new suppliers. What would you have voted?
I picked 10 percent at random but would you accept 15 or 20 percent? Due to transport costs from alternative suppliers, USA/Russia/China/India it is unreasonable to suggest that costs for many goods would get less than was paid being sourced from or through Europe. The UK cannot feed itself. Bear in mind that these alternative countries already have established markets so they don't NEED to sell to the UK at all so are unlikely to be forced into particularly good deals.
Try a bit of 'joined up thinking'. Britain is doing the equivalent of stopping the weekly shop at Tesco/Asda (relatively cheap) and now about to buy the same stuff at Waitrose prices, plus delivery charge.

Lost in sunshine

Your queuing next to polish people comment is unnecessary, nasty and, frankly, highly uncharitable. Don’t British taxpayers in the same line for nhs resource have a right to question the burden those immigrants place on the nhs? Does doing so make them vile and racist?

It’s about resources not bigotry. Immigration is not bad. Immigration on the scale of places like Boston is, however, unfair to the largely working class folk who had no say and no choice in how such immigration unfolded. This is about communities being changed too quickly.

Unless you are saying 52% of the uk is racist

Brexit will have a huge impact on Ireland as well (obviously). They're hoping to mitigate the freight problems with the huge new 'Brexit-buster' freight ships, and new direct freight routes between Dublin and Zeebrugge, Rotterdam, Cherbourg, and between Cork and Santander. But who knows what will happen...