To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit now

[keyboardkate]

I took on the mantle to start another thread. If that is not allowed, Mods delete the thread, I am not sure of the protocol. But it certainly is an interesting discussion!

If allowed to stay as my OP, let's go!

I'm hoping it gets better because it's pretty shit for me now.

Social worker, lone parent, violent ex in prison so no financial support there, can't afford a house (can't get a mortgage as only one income) even though I do have a tiny deposit.

I applied myself - got a degree, post grad dip and MSc but the combination of £300 a month student loan repayments, childcare and high rent (Yorkshire is a housing PITA) means I am living pound to pound because that 6k deposit is my only scrap of dignity and safety left. All my fault though, shouldn't have married a violent man or got raped I guess. Should have worked harder at that. Applied myself. So yes, Brexit might fuck me more but it can't get much worse can it? In fact it can, I see it on my caseload everyday. Quite a lack of humility and measure of real life going on in this thread. People are having a shit time out there and to deny that this hadn't caused a lot of instability and worry for people who are already in their knees, at the very least is pretty awful. I REALLY hope that these Brexit nerves are unfounded. The only tangible improvement I've heard so far is better quarantine laws for incoming animals as apparently the EU are a bit lax on it I've tried very hard to find more good news. Would love to hear how reciprocal healthcare agreements are in the bag and a good customs union replacement. Please?

@Iflyaway you are very angry, not sure why you felt the need to swear at me?

You seem to have confused my post? Where did i say i had met everyone? I said i didn't vote for people i had never met, i voted for me and my family.

Also, 50's? How old do you think i am? Stereotyping there are we cause i voted leave?

Reading threads like this is so fucking despair-inducing.

Remainer: panic panic panic (this is me 90% of the time)

Leaver: ach, it will be fine. Switzerland’s not in the EU and they’re ok. Let’s wave things through the ports...Just make the best of it...Take back control...my mortgage is all paid off so I’ll be ok

Remainer: that’s all total shit!

Leaver: typical smug elitism!

Remainer: we are all going to loot and riot and die!

Leaver: but we also may not, and we will have blue passports, and it will not be allowed to happen

All the way into the sunset. I wish people could just talk and listen more - then we perhaps could have realised that all this brexit bollocks was just a harebrained scheme of David cameron’s to try and poach the UKIP vote share so the tories could stay in power longer.

Fact is, we are going to be poorer, less easy and efficient to trade with and a much smaller voice on a world stage where decisions are made over our heads and where we have no say.

Rant over - sorry I had to get that off my chest.

GhostofFrankGrimes

Yes, I read the article

Unemployment in the area is low now, before the migrant workforce it was the locals that did the picking they lost their jobs/were rplaced and have moved on.

you said upthread
You don't understand labour markets, demographics or economics

I pointed out what has happened.

So if we go by your point of labour markets, demographics or economics
As the workforce is low the employer has to encourage people to work for them and get them back to the area.
Or doesn't your point stand up to scrutiny when the opposite force is in effect?

Mrsreyonlds

My, aren’t you a treasure. Where do they summon the likes of you from?

As the workforce is low the employer has to encourage people to work for them and get them back to the area.

You can't force people to come back - particuarly for unskilled seasonal work.

Why leave?

Two years out with no plan, and total infighting in the Tory Party,

I need to know the rationale now.

GhostofFrankGrimes

I didn't say "force" I said encourage.

You do that by offering them better wages, accommodation, cheap food etc.

And yes if you do that the price of the food in the shops goes up.

I need to know the rationale now.

its written on a Wetherspoons beer mat. Which in fairness is more than David Davies has written down.

Ghost of

No but the market corrects itself because wages for that job will rise in the absence of candidates.

Supply and demand. I appreciate it wouldn’t exist in your socialist paradise. By the way, I hear corbyn can’t give tickets for his festival thing away. Is this peak corbyn? Sad times :)

The infighting is not just within the Tory party. Labour is just as divided on this issue.

The Rationale? Identity.

You do that by offering them better wages, accommodation, cheap food etc.

People are not going to move en masse for seasonal work.

And yes if you do that the price of the food in the shops goes up.

Great news for the millions already struggling to pay for food.

keyboardkate

I need to know the rationale now.

There is no rationale because neither side thought that enough people would vote to leave.
Its why the referendum was such an almighty balls up.
There should have been checks and measures in place (such as a defined % majority before leave could take place).
Then when the numbers came in no-one had the balls to turn around and say 'Actually no we are not leaving, its not binding'.

No but the market corrects itself because wages for that job will rise in the absence of candidates.

Unskilled work is never going to be well paid. Did low pay not exist prior to 1974?

The infighting is not just within the Tory party. Labour is just as divided on this issue.

Labour didn't call the referendum nor are they responsible for the last 2 years of national embarassment.

The Rationale? Identity.

What does that even mean?

GhostofFrankGrimes

No-one said that they have to move permanently. The forces, rig workers, and various others move away for months at a time. In the USA it is a way of life for whole groups of people.

Great news for the millions already struggling to pay for food.

Strangely enough it has been pointed out several times by those with the opposing view to you already.

Leavers had 40 years to come up with a plan. Look at the money and resources the likes of Cambridge Analytica and Aaron Banks had. Still no plan. Look at the intellectual giants involved in Brexit - Johnson, Gove. Still no plan.

40 years.

Unemployment is low but underemployment is rising rapidly, which is why people are so poor. Many unskilled workers struggle to find full time work unless they are lucky enough to find themselves a job in industry or manufacturing, both of which are struggling in the UK currently. Tesco, Asda and their ilk prefer taking on part-time staff, so they have more staff to cover absences and leave.

And no, those underemployed people are not going to give up their 12 hours a week in Tesco for something seasonal.

They key to bringing up the standard of living, imo, is to bring in more industry and manufacturing jobs. I'm struggling to understand how taking ourselves out of the single market and off the global stage will achieve that?

No-one said that they have to move permanently. The forces, rig workers, and various others move away for months at a time. In the USA it is a way of life for whole groups of people.

Oh great lets flog full time workers by forcing them to take up additional back breaking work hundreds of miles from their families. Sounds like fucking North Korea.

Strangely enough it has been pointed out several times by those with the opposing view to you already.

Don't worry about food prices the post referendum devaluation of £ sent them soaring already.

GhostofFrankGrimes

Unskilled work is never going to be well paid. Did low pay not exist prior to 1974?

Yet they had a minimum wage set for them by the agricultural wages board using the Agricultural wages act 1948. Only 50 years before the national minimum wages act

No but the market corrects itself because wages for that job will rise in the absence of candidates

Like your vote, you ve not thought this through....

Significant higher wages wont happen because as pointed out that ll mean higher prices, in a global market, food will be bought in from cheaper lower wage economies, the UK farmer will grow less intensive crops, say biomass, livestock or go bust.

@Iflyaway you are very angry, not sure why you felt the need to swear at me?You seem to have confused my post? Where did i say i had met everyone? I said i didn't vote for people i had never met, i voted for me and my family.Also, 50's? How old do you think i am? Stereotyping there are we cause i voted leave?

Lazy puppy, oh, I am just a sweary type. Don't take it personally.

At the end of the day I don't care cos I am not British and I live in the EU. So it doesn't affect me. I did live there for many years and love the Uk and the people. Just sad they seem to be shooting themselves in the foot.

The fact that it will not affect me or my EU-wide family is neither here nor there for us personally though I care how it will affect UK and all my friends there, and their kids etc.

I personally don't just vote for me and mine. I look at the bigger picture of what is best for the country or the world.

When I said 50's I meant the 1950's. I am from the 1950s born myself, so in my 60s now.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend. Bowing out now.

Rig workers are well paid. And all of those jobs are permanent. No-one is going to give up secure, but low paid underemployment for seasonal work, no matter how much they'd be paid for it unless they had the guarantee of a permanent position afterwards.

GhostofFrankGrimes

No-one said force.

No-one forces oil workers to go the UAE. Or on to Oil rigs
No-one forces the Forces to go to Cyprus or the Falklands.
Or submariners to go to sea for 6 months.

No-one would force full time workers to leave their jobs.

You seem fixated on making people do things.

Yet they had a minimum wage set for them by the agricultural wages board using the Agricultural wages act 1948. Only 50 years before the national minimum wages act

Again, this has what to do with the EU exactly?