To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit now

[keyboardkate]

I took on the mantle to start another thread. If that is not allowed, Mods delete the thread, I am not sure of the protocol. But it certainly is an interesting discussion!

If allowed to stay as my OP, let's go!

As I commented on one of the other 'Brexit' threads (Westminstenders), the 'new' 12 point plan that was produced yesterday is unachievable.
About half are outright 'NO you can't' and the rest although vaguely possible are pretty unlikely. The nearest achievable thing is to come out of CAP (item 8) where the UK would loose EU funding (to be replaced by extra taxes in the UK) and some wrangling with food standards, which would be a 'lose' type situation anyway as to sell into the EU their original quality must be retained. The only way to 'economise' would be to sell lower standard foodstuffs to the UK and POSSIBLY export some. Given that the UK is largely an IMPORTER of food that would be a mixed bag of 'success'.

Sorry, it was 'Not the Brexit Arms'.

I anticipate a No from EU. Why should we be allowed to cherry pick?

I fear you are correct. That would explain the hard brexiters current apparent acquiescence.

i agree, could this be a master plan by the brexitees? Get the EU to deny the soft option so then come out with the only ption is now hard brexit and no deal?

The actual consequences of a totally hard Brexit, with NO planes or ships will take a bit of 'selling' to the general public.

The 'plan' shown by Mrs May yesterday has already had most of it refused by Brussels previously so they could have saved paper and just come up with a couple of new requests.

What 'clauses' have been added to holiday brochure and flight tickets for ant time after 'Brexit day'? The EU
Flight 'delay and cancellation' deals done in the last few years will automatically cancelled as the UK will not be in the EU.
This is just one tiny aspect of the whole thing, renegotiating all the treaties and arrangements 'overnight' is impossible.

But we'll all have blue passports so that's great.
Look! Not shiny thing!

What 'clauses' have been added to holiday brochure and flight tickets for ant time after 'Brexit day'?

Generally something along the lines of your booking of flights nowdoes not guarantee that flights will actually take place.

If Brexit happens, it will not be next March in fact it will take a long time and that is if it DOES happen.

I believe, but happy to be corrected that unless there is an agreement that the UK WILL leave with nothing in March next year. Any 'transition will be at the negotiated discretion of the EU who can just say 'go now'.

I met a guy out near Toulouse last week, who works for Airbus, he says that Airbus will not allow UK based companies to tender for component manufacturing contracts, as AB are worried about a no-deal situation and that the UK is no-where near sorting out a replacement EASA agreement.
I suspect that the transition period will be used by UK/EU to sort this out but it does appear the UK is sleep walking toward next March without a clue what brexit really means.

@jasjas
I am not surprised, and it is perfectly understandable even if you only listen to half of what business leaders say. It won't reach headlines but will be a corrosive 'undercurrent' that will 'do for' the UK. It's only an 'upscale' of reactions that everyone has. Bad experience at your local supermarket, you then 'boycott' it and go to another. In a way, most of the Governments posturing is just froth and they can kiss and make up but the seeds of decline have been sown.

Is Michael Gove the personification of self-interest or are there better contenders?

There are plenty of contenders, either as individuals or as a 'collective'.
Very few (near the 'top') have the best interests of the country at heart.
It's all about being on top of the smouldering pile that was Britain.
Not quite the best quote but 'The problem with the rat race is that even if you win, you are still a rat'.

Boris loves the bling of being Foreign Sec. TM needs to consider whether it is now the time to put up with dickheads pissing into the tent rather than out of the tent as Boris is doing now. She needs to dump any of these selfish twats - they had their chance.

Yes you're right. It was just seeing his smug face on tv this morning saying how wonderful the new deal is. No shame or sense of irony. Words fail me.

Having watched Andrew Marr just now I'd say Gove is definitely positioning himself for leadership. He's deluded if he thinks the public (even leavers?) will vote for him though.

There is so much in the Chequers proposal that the EU may well object to, that he presumably thinks that he will have plenty of opportunity later in the year to resign and try and win back his Brexit supporters. As with Boris, its all driven by opportunism not necessarily conviction.

I have a horrible feeling you are right. Gove is just beneath contempt, absolutely appalling lack of respect for his party, its leader and the wider electorate. Surely he couldn't con the country into trusting him? Ok I hear you
"Why not? Did it before".

What 'clauses' have been added to holiday brochure and flight tickets for ant time after 'Brexit day'?

An example from Inghams' current ski brochure;

BREXIT AND ITS CONSEQUENCES:

There is the possibility that at some time between the date on which you book your chosen arrangements and the actual performance of those arrangements that the UK will cease to be a member state of the European Union (“Brexit”). It is further possible that various consequences of Brexit may affect the performance of our contract with you. By way of example, a change in the law (whether that is the introduction of a new law or an existing law ceasing to apply) (“Change(s) in Law”) may restrict or entirely prevent our ability to provide you with certain services that make up your chosen arrangements.

At present, the Changes in Law that we consider are most likely to occur and, in turn, affect your chosen arrangements are as follows:

a) A potential inability for the United Kingdom as a whole (and ourselves, for the purpose of this clause and your chosen arrangements) to rely on the free movement of workers and, in particular, the Posted Workers Directive. The result of this may be that we are unable to provide you with certain services that make up your chosen arrangements, such as the provision of a local representative, chalet staff, etc.

b) A potential inability for British airlines to operate flights into / out of the European Union and, conversely, an inability for European airlines to operate into / out of the United Kingdom. The result of this may be that we are unable to provide you either with the flights that you have booked or indeed any replacement flights.

The Chequers 'plan', or at least most of the contents have already been dismissed as 'impossible' by the EU previously, it was a waste of paper.
Now we are just down to time wasting (more) and posturing, actually bugger all to do with helping the country.

The point of the meeting at Chequers was to unite the Conservatives around collective responsibility - i.e. to get everyone to agree to back the PM - in order to avoid the risk of a General Election which might result in a Labour government.

The 'Chequers Plan' was just a distraction. As far as Friday's participants are concerned, the Plan might just as well say 'Wibble, wibble, fudge, wibble' - which is actually all it says anyway. The important thing was that it gives the appearance of the Conservatives doing something and provides an excuse for a bit of EU-bashing when Barnier rejects it on Monday.

Well if he does reject it they obviously don’t want to negotiate, it’s a starting point as in any negotiations you work to an agreeable solution.
If he rejects it then I’m afraid it’s a no deal and the EU Must want a no deal with the UK

If he rejects it then I’m afraid it’s a no deal and the EU Must want a no deal with the UK

Why? the EU has already rejected most of this new plan, something May must be aware of.
They ve already made it perfectly clear the UK cannot have access to the SM without accepting the 4 fundamental rules, one of which is FOM.
That she keeps pushing this cherry picking agenda, shows who is really in charge at no10...... people like Gove and BJ would love a no deal.