To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit now

[keyboardkate]

I took on the mantle to start another thread. If that is not allowed, Mods delete the thread, I am not sure of the protocol. But it certainly is an interesting discussion!

If allowed to stay as my OP, let's go!

And some commentators said (not me) that the Brexit vote was partly from uneducated racists, and elderly. Add in jingoists and hubris the size of mount Everest aswell.

The yoof appear silent. So they can feck off now. I always thought young people were radical and prepared to challenge the status quo. Doesn't seem like that anymore, but they are probably trying to scrape it together to pay off their student loans.

FPTP system means nothing will ever change. I think that might have to be looked at soon. It is so unrepresentative of a country of 60m people's myriad views. But no one is going to change that since it suits Ying and Yang.

Who needs reality when there are flashing lights and soundbites to take your mind off things.

mixedbunch in your position I would hold fire for a few months if you can. Not because of your nationality but because the UK is in such limbo that it could easily all go to hell in a handcart. Wait and see how things fall out over the next few months before you make any life changing decisions.

Agree with Buteo
BMW have said they need to see a policy within a month or two and I can't see many other businesses just waiting for much longer either.
The pressure will increase.

We are doomed

Dooooooooooooooooooooomed

Give me a D! Give me an O! Give me another O!
Oh fuck I can’t be bothered
It’s all going tits up anyway
Stupid bloody Brexiters..........what have you done

Yay, blue passports.

It would have been cheaper to put your 'any coloured passport' in a blue passport holder.
You could ask your MP what was paid for by the government 'saving money' by putting passport manufacture out to tender (in the past).
Did it go into the last round of MPs pay rises?

The passport thing is comical. Especially as we could have had them anyway.
I used to have a blue passport. I could pretend I was James Bond when I crossed the border. I was about 11.

Remember when Nissan announced it would invest in Sunderland and all of the Brexit fans said it was an example of Project fear being incorrect.

Well: www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/nissan-halts-investment-plans-while-it-remains-in-the-dark-over-brexit-plans-according-to-reports-1-9225210

So anyone care to imagine what the white paper will contain and what that will actually mean in terms of Brexit ? Personally I see a massive U turn up ahead.

Kicks tumbleweed to one side and shimmies in with some earworm

The white paper will be blank, no ink.

Boris will have an expletive fest,

Everyone there will moan about the EU and what bastards they are, imagine them forcing us give them a plan! We will not be told what to do by anyone, ever la la la.

Well then why did you not just go and have a big old willy wave and LEAVE the day Article 50 was invoked?

Total fucking hubristic, arrogant, disaster IMV. Sorry I am not a happy bunny.

Don't worry Kate , they are all sitting in Chequers, hoping for an immense natural disaster ( sorry Saddleworth , you simply don't cut it ) or Armageddon type scenario , so they can quietly tell the country that actually staying with the EU for the present time is the best course of action.

@frumpety,

I blew off a bit of steam there alright!

They are morons.

Fridge if house prices do drop , will landlords be keen to liquidate their assets ? Was talking to someone recently who said the residential market in London has stagnated, commercial is still buoyant , but only people looking at long term investment are buying, which I guess was probably often the case anyway?

Don’t you think people are upset with the government and their preparations and negotiations for Brexit, All the time before the referendum, the time before A50 was delivered and all the time up till now, It’s all very obvious that no planning had been done before the obvious leave vote

Surely house prices dropping is a blessing, they are far to high for normal people and 1st time buyers

Rosstac I think a lot of people believe that the Government won't actually do anything that would harm the UK , forgetting that those in Government are independently wealthy and will not be effected regardless of the outcome.

The issue with the house prices dropping is that it would put a lot of people into negative equity and there are those who see the current house prices as their pension. At the end of the day your house is always only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. If the economy tanks and remains at a low ebb for a decade as many Leavers on here are now happy to tell us is the price to pay for sovereignty, then what people are able and willing to pay for your property will almost certainly drop.

frumpety As someone who was a house owner in the last house crash 88-91 approx, house prices starting rising really fast and there was a feeling if you didn’t get on the ladder you never would, people stopped being able to afford them, some prices crashed by 50% and many people were in negative equity, luckily my house after 5 years was worth only a £1000 less than I bought it for. This crash bought new opportunities and many people who thought they could never afford a house could eventually afford one, people in negative equity were ok as long as you didn’t sell, most mortgages then were unfixed, yes a few people lost out, but they bought at the height, After experiencing a major crash I have always look as a house as somewhere to live not to make money from. I am amazed their are people now with mortgages over the last 10 years or more have only experienced one rate rise and that was after one rate decrease, it seamed to go up and down like a yo-yo in the 80-90’s

Rosstac the point about the interest rates remaining so low for so long is an interesting one, if there is an economic downturn as is predicted by Leavers and Remainers alike, what effect do you think that will have on the interest rates ? How will people manage if they rise ?