To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit now

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I took on the mantle to start another thread. If that is not allowed, Mods delete the thread, I am not sure of the protocol. But it certainly is an interesting discussion!

If allowed to stay as my OP, let's go!

Theybuilt I really don't think living in Brussels on the salary of a military officer for years can be called 'the high life', especially when the LOA was slashed considerably.

It was getting like it was for those posted to Naples - people couldn't afford to be here, and the Forces were having real trouble (still are to some extent) filling the posts here. When it costs you financially to do your job, there's a problem.

For the past few years, when dh had retired from the Forces and has a civvy job here, it's better, but I still don't live the high life....unless going to a craft group and a book group and the odd coffee morning is the high life. I live in old jeans, and some tops which predate ds, and he will be 23 this year!

When dh retires next year, we are coming back to the UK, to Cornwall, so I'm not pulling up the drawbridge at all; I'll be there as it all unfolds. I am looking forward to coming home; I miss it.

For those saying the EU Army won't happen - well, PESCO might be the first step. As to vetos on things. many things have now moved to QMV, so vetos are immaterial in those cases, and as the treaties self amend, more and more competencies will come under QMV.
euobserver.com/institutional/139630

There was no status quo to vote for, as things were changing. Whilst it's true one cannot know the outcome of Brexit, neither could one know where the EU would be in 10 years time. For me, leaving made more sense, especially with further enlargement coming down the track.

Tough shit jas, my house is there, and has been for years. I bet the wrinklies love you, especially if they pay their CTax, and were born there.

It'll be the emmets doing 30; they haven't mastered the country lanes at warp speeds.

I seem to remember that all bar one constituency in Cornwall had a Leave majority - so it's not just me.
www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/how-your-part-cornwall-vote-313593.

I''ll see you dreckly.

Flat sided car or one you don't care about and definitely no front parking sensors that are triggered by blades of grass, that's what you need to be able to navigate the roads of Cornwall , or at least that's what I have deduced over the years I have been going there on holiday. That and the ability to reverse competently back into a passing space when you meet a bus

Tough shit jas, my house is there, and has been for years. I bet the wrinklies love you, especially if they pay their CTax, and were born there

...and a second home owner to boot... truly no shame!

Majority born an bred young move away, the vote in Cornwall was primarily because of the influx of the retired, super low wages and un-affordable housing caused by people like you, folk voted for change....

The elderly are a huge drain on CCC services, made worse by the loss of EU health workers leaving Cornwall, the community hospital my Mum died in, has closed, not because of lack of money but lack of staff, the MIU proposal is to take it from 7 to 3 county wide, not enough staff.... you really have voted for your own demise.

jas I believe Cornwall is home to scaryteacher as she is currently on a European posting? Completely usual to keep your UK property on so that you have somewhere to come back to when your posting ends.

@Rosstac, you asked about the small print;-

Perhaps the EU could show us the contract and the small print, I thought we paid up a year in advance, there is no written contract for leaving as it has not been done on this scale before, When leaving the EU there should be governing rules, not make it up as you go along.

The contract to leave is article 50, and it was actually written by a Brit, Lord Kerr. The EU are only following the rules set out in that procedure. The British govt. are the ones not following the rules. It's pretty clear-cut, the way it's supposed to work. PM May is in a predicament in that it's almost impossible to do a deal that works for the UK. Any deal would would soon show with calculations where the UK would lose out.

I’m surprised cornwall doesn’t have its own policed border with passports only issued to those who can prove 5 generations. Can’t believe tourists (who bring in the only bit of money) are still nastily referred to as emmets. Lots of us live in areas where housing is out of reach to the young because of demand and costs but you don’t hear this attitude except in Cornwall.

The EU has plenty of rules written down (in up to 27 languages) so the inability to read and follow them is entirely down to the UK.
For the business scenario I put forward on one of the other threads BIG business, the ones who will provide decent job opportunities will have been heading towards the exit for over 2 years as they want certainty.
At some point they will jump. Mr Junker has stated there is over a Trillion Euros stacked up to help businesses (who leave) to recover the loss of relocating.
It is now time for the buzzards to start circling.
Waving a rather tatty 'Union flag' at them will not be enough.

Looks like Airbus are worried.

"Project Fear" indeed.

jas, not a second home owner at all. It's the the only house we own - we rent in Belgium. As I've owned it for 26 years now, and taught in Cornwall at a comp, I think I know the issues in Cornwall.

Having to be within 25 minutes of Devonport Naval base has dictated where we lived since 1986 til dh was posted to Brussels. We could go back to Devon (being a Navy brat, I was born in Plymouth) and spend all our money there, but I prefer to pay people in the village and nearby to maintain the house, so the money goes back into the local economy within a 10 mile radius of the property.

I was 26 when we bought the house, and dh was 31, so hardly retired. I don't think I caused unaffordable housing in the county - we bought an 1835 property in the early 90s, and have spent a fair amount on it since. My part of Cornwall isn't beachy and pretty and full of the Chelsea set at Rock or Padstein and I think you'd be hard pushed to find a second home owner in the village.

I'm sad that you think the elderly are a drain on services - would you like them all put down once they reach state pension age? One could argue that the elderly are a drain on services anywhere in the UK. I note that the CTax bill for 17/18 included a 2% precept to fund adult social care (we had a void in letting the house last year, so CTax was obviously due), so measures are being taken to address this.

Super low wages - depends what you do. I wasn't paid less than other main scale teachers outside London because I lived and worked in Cornwall, and the Local Government jobs were the same pay in Plymouth and Caradon (as it was then). I'll be job hunting when I get back, as I still have 7 years of NI to pay, so it will be interesting to see what is about.

I think it's inevitable that the young people move away, especially given the jobs all seem to be in the SE. A rebalancing of where jobs are is needed for the whole country, not just Cornwall.

MIUs closing - depends how it's done and where new ones are placed. Cornwall could argue, like Devon has done iirc, that the MIUs are needed for a rural population.

IhearttNiles It's not just tourists who bring in money - those who live and work in and around Cornwall bring in money too. The tourists don't employ the gardeners, the handymen, the window cleaners, all year round. The people who live there do.

As far back as I can remember, the tourists have been referred to as Emmets and Grockels (over the Tamar). I think you have a very short memory; I can recall second homes owned by English people being burned out by the Welsh; I've heard Londoners moan about tourists on the tube etc. I expect it's much the same in parts of Norfolk.

I think the second home ownership in Cornwall has become an issue. Mevagissey has just voted against second homes, to avoid the ghost villages caused by this. I think the same has happened in Northumberland as well.

54321go Yet Toyota have committed to building the Auris in UK, and the flexibility of the UK labour force is certainly an advantage according to a friend who works for Toyota in Brussels.

Whether you approve of the carriers or not, they have provided work around the UK from Appledore to Rosyth, and the new SSBNs will be putting money into the economy at Barrow for years, as will the ongoing builds of the Astute class SSNs. The refits of all the boats will put money into Devonport.

I really hope the areas that voted leave are ready for a hard brexit.

They are going to get what they voted for, good and hard, where as "that London" will be left relatively unscathed.

You know though that the London Assembly has been pushing for London to keep more of its taxes for years? I think we;ll get that, I mean why should we pay in for areas that don't contribute?

It's 'incomers' and 'oncomers' in some other parts of the UK.
Institutionalised 'them and us'.

Airbus seem to be readying to leave.

There go 100,00 jobs.

But "project fear".

The assembling of cars is (as said by another MN poster) cyclic and gets reviewed as new models are introduced and others dropped. Toyota probably tooled up for the Auris 6 years or so ago so it will probably remain until it is discontinued. With the increased use of robots, the ability to change production quicker may be a factor that needs watching. in a business sense Toyota will have been assessing future models and where they might be built (bearing in mind who will buy them) and the Japanese have already said they will not invest seriously into the UK if it is out of Europe. The Auris line is up and running, future models may well not happen in the UK.
Building armaments is all well and good but you have to be concerned that the Gov are happy to plough so much money into that while letting the elderly of Britain die in unsatisfactory care homes.
I am not for a moment suggesting anything inferior about the British armed forces but as plucky as the little island of Britain may be it needs to be among friends. Without wishing to revisit the off topic debate about nuclear capability, only 2 or 3 nuclear missiles on the UK would make it near uninhabitable. As a 'deterrent' having this capability is good but unless WW3 actually starts they are a major 'bluff'.

You can be sure that at least for the last couple of years that company lawyers have been adding 'get out' clauses to major contracts in the event of leaving the UK.

54321 is utterly correct about the car industry.

It won't be instantaneous, but it will be going.

Anything other than single market access will ensure that.

mixedbunch If it’s written down exactly in A50, why do we have to negotiate?

@Rosstac
It is written down in A50.
I believe the sticking points are that the UK has found that some of the requirements of A50 are mutually incompatible with whatever warped version of 'Brexit' they are trying to concoct.
Most of the negotiations are likely to be the EU saying 'OK now read the rules again and come back when you have answered them properly'.
It is the UK trying to ram square, triangle, hexagon shapes into a round hole, and failing.

@scaryteacher

The ratio of retired to working population is an issue for Cornwall, as it is for other retirement areas, a rather insulting remark you ve come out with there.

The avg wage in Cornwall is approx 17k per year, avg house price is around 214k.... i m not entirely sure you ve any idea of the issues Cornwall faces. as you dont currently live here, have an excellent family income, maybe you r bit removed from the realities?
Cornwall lobbying to keep MIUs open is rather pointless as its down to lack of staff not money..... the brexit vote hasnt helped this situation.

2nd home ownership (and buy to let) are across all areas of Cornwall inc the SE of the county. i live near the Tamar valley, plenty of 2nd homes here, as there are in Pensilva, St Cleer, even Callington area!
www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-second-homes-plague-revealed-1398388

Your views are very much behind the times and typical of someone who doesnt live here.

Cornwall gets EU obj 1 funding, that pot of money will now go and the country doesnt have enough money to replace it, as seen by planned tax rises for the extra NHS money, i doubt any Gov will announce tax rises for CAP and Obj 1 replacement funding.

@rosstac, the reason why there needed to be a negotiation is that the funds promised by each country to the union change constantly, so the amount required to leave changes in accordance. The amount promised by the govt. is to pay for things that the UK promised to pay for, some of which will be going to the Uk anyway. Imagine you and a group of friends decided to rent a bus to go on holiday, but then someone pulled at the last minute. Should that person still pay? How much of what they were going to pay should they still offer? That's the negotiation.