To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit now

[keyboardkate]

I took on the mantle to start another thread. If that is not allowed, Mods delete the thread, I am not sure of the protocol. But it certainly is an interesting discussion!

If allowed to stay as my OP, let's go!

How is zero contract hours the fault of the Eu?

If this was some sort of cry of pain by the poor, Why did they put "their" faith in rich posh people who are already selling all of us out before we've even left.

To be fair, Remain is even more stuffed with "rich, posh, people", so why would the poor vote for them when the status quo of being in the EU hasn't benefited them in any way? They might be worse off under Brexit but I suppose they don't feel they are thriving within the EU, in fact they are told they have to suck up lower wages, dilution of their culture and language and are told this is all for their benefit. No wonder they stuck two fingers up at the EU.

A 0 hour contract counts as being employed you know.

This is the EU's fault how?

The farmers will have to pay better then won’t they.

Farmers are going to be worse off after Brexit.

The fruit got picked b4 eu workers did it.

Once again unemployment is low.

are told they have to suck up lower wages, dilution of their culture

Low wages existed pre EU. Immigration has always existed. Sadly so has xenophobia.

There isn’t a Brexit dividend. Even the government’s own figures show the UK will be £15 billion worse off every year.

The divide been rich and poor and the has never been so big The EU did at least try to address this by pumping funds into struggling areas ignored by the U.K. government. If you live somewhere like Wales or Cornwall you would do well to look at who has funded much of your public spending in recent years and wonder where that money is going to come from after Brexit. It astonishes me that poor people have been persuaded by a bunch of billionaires that leaving the EU is going to be good for them. Comments like No it won’t stop crap jobs existing, of course these jobs will always need doing, but hopefully it will stop us bringing in cheap labour to do them and these billionaire will have to pay a decent wage quite literally beggar belief. Do you honestly believe that?

And after Brexit gov and politicians will absolutely continue to blame the EU for things that always were and still are their fault. The EU (and others) will be blamed for not giving us a good enough trade deal, stealing our jobs and industry, brain draining our people etc. Worse, I bet the public will continue to believe them and let them continue to pass the buck.

As for zero hour contracts, they are banned in some EU countries.

Who are these rich posh Remainers? I'm not one. Nor is any Remain voter I know. Boris etc all for Leave. Hideous how people doffed their cap to them.

If the governement didn't do anything to help the poor before, why the fuck will they do it after Brexshit? The government's own figures predict we will be poorer, if they can use the financial crisis for an excuse for a decade of austerity, OF COURSE they aren't going to suddenly start investing once the UK is actually worse off.
Seriously, catch yourself on.

The EU was a line of defence against rampant capitalism. Not The Line but A Line.
To be honest, I only intend to vote now for those parties that represent my interests as I see it and not the greater good. The great good can go whistle for my support post Brexit.

OK studying remind me why we should not have been in the EU in the first place?

I'm interested to hear this too, what illegal things happened to get us into the EU.

It was on Heath's manifesto when he was elected.

I'm old enough to remember the vote in.
Heath said he was going to do it. As did Cameron the other way around.

"I'm old enough to remember the vote in. "

Then you remember wrongly, Heath never had a vote on it, that was Wilson. The entrance into the EU ( or EEC) was not voted on in a referendum.

Pretty sure there was a referendum to see whether we wanted to be in. Pretty sure Heath took us in and said he was going to do it.
Must have dreamed it.

"Pretty sure there was a referendum to see whether we wanted to be in."

No there was a referendum whether we wanted to Remain in 1975, Wilson was PM.

Heath took us in in 1973.

You are wrong.

I sit corrected. But given that De Gaulle spent a lot of the sixties trying to keep us out, I remember it was a relief that we finally got in.

Well De Gaulle may yet be proved right.

The EU bent over backwards for the UK's membership and it still wanted more.

It is the same with the deal it wants now, as the president of Luxembourg said: "Wants out with lots of opt ins"

For those touting Switzerland as a model for why Brexit will be ok, just a couple of facts

• Switzerland has never been in the EU so never had to deal with any exit issues apart from freedom of movement
• Switzerland accepted EU freedom of movement (and despite the referendum to try and get rid of it, it's still there, i.e. they were totally unable to get rid of it)
• Swizterland has a customs border and for those who think that's frictionless, try driving over the border at Rheinfelden on a Saturday with a 301 gram steak

Who are these rich posh Remainers?

I think there are quite a few - all those in the House of Lords who wanted to remain, e.g. The Duke of Wellington, and then business men, CEOs and presidents of companies who sign their names on letters to the papers - there are frequently so many names that the can't all be printed in the actual paper - about the iniquity of Brexit. I presume most of them are quite rich.

I don't even know if there is a current Duke of Wellington, let alone what his views on Brexit are. I'm not interested in strongly worded letters to the Times or whatever.
I don't like being duped or spun at by Boris or Jacob Rees-Mogg. On TV every 5 bloody minutes.

Hopefully the HoL will remind May that Parliament is supreme over the executive.

Aren't the HoL all unelected traitors? I lose track.

There is a current Duke of Wellington:

Arthur Charles Valerian Wellesley, 9th Duke of Wellington

Auntibasil - you asked who all these rich remainers were - I was just answering your question.