To wonder how many of you are ready for hard Brexit, after today's Common's vote?

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Because that's what's now happening, very soon.

PS According to the civil servants I know, it will be utter chaos - there has been literally basically no preparation for this at all. Because the bloody politicians can't make up their minds for what they want/expect to happen. So there are no contingency plans whatsoever.

Hope you're happy and looking forward to the chaos if you voted for Leave.

I'm interested where all this extra funding will come from just to set up the customs when we don't have enough money for schools and the NHS. Given that Brexiteers promised £350 million per week for the NHS, I guess the NHS funding will be sorted. But where is the money for not only customs officer training but also the actual infrastructure they'll need come from?

A million of those who voted for brexit have already passed on. It was the old who voted overwhelmingly for it.

I don’t usually talk Brexit, but eh. Okay then.

Leave voter here. I get that a lot of people vehemently disagree with me. The reason why I don’t normally get into these discussions is that for many people, it’s very personal. By voting Leave I have personally stripped away their children’s future, plunged them into economic uncertainty etc. I have particularly noticed this from friends who appear to be relatively affluent, and in general have had better opportunities than me.

I don’t really have that kind of view about Remainers. I am married to one! I could say they voted against my deeply held values and tried to further shackle me and my family to an undemocratic tentacle monster set on creating a superstate. I voted on ethical grounds, but I understand that not everyone has the same ethics as me. Personally, it comes down to a belief that power should be concentrated at the lowest possible level - ideally at the individual, then the family, the street, the county, the country and the massive continental federalist project (in approx order of desirability). I am not going to try to persuade anyone - referendum happened, the question was ‘are you ready’. I’d say readyish.

Brexit may well negatively impact me personally, as an employed/self-employed/slightly economically insecure person and owner of a house I’m trying to sell. I guess I am taking a longer view. What may be inconvenient and difficult in the short term might still be the right thing to do in the long term. I could also argue that I’m a bit of an anomaly millennial - many people my age have even less to lose, being unable to get on the property ladder at all and stuck in insecure/gigging jobs with depressed wages.

I feel we’ve never been a good fit in the EU, as we’ve acted like bratty kids demanding concessions pretty much from day 1. I think that the referendum outcome is reflective of something within our society that goes a bit deeper than ‘no imigrunts hear’ - and that people are a bit less thick than they’re often perceived to be.

I was hoping for a Norway-style arrangement, but I guess a hard Brexit is better than no Brexit. I feel we’d have a difficult time claiming to be in any way a democracy if the outcome of this referendum wasn’t honoured.

Also, fwiw I don’t think we have too much immigration, and I am not a fan of Nigel Farage.

karyatide

It is telling that Leavers on MN don’t (if this thread is any indication) have anything to say other than nebulous, vague, entirely meaningless exhortions like “it’ll all be fine (somehow, magically)” or “we’re taking back control”! It shows a significant lack of understanding of basic facts.

Why would someone take part in a debate that ends with them being called thick and racist?

As for misinformation, you only have to look at the misinformation from the OP to see the hypocrisy of the statement.

crab don't be fucking ridiculous - so every single person that died in the UK over the last 2 years not only voted in the referendum but voted leave.

I think the behaviour of the EU throughout this whole process has entirely justified why I voted leave.

If the EU cared one jot about Great Britain David Cameron would have had a deal before the referendum vote. EU wouldn't because they cared more about their principles than the needs of a member state. There no understanding that with the rise of terrorism unfettered freedom of movement is a disaster and some controls must be put in place.

They can't now do a deal because it sets a precedent and Europe will fall apart. It's falling apart anyway but Europe doesn't want to hasten that by behaviouring decently to a departing member state.

I don't want to be a part of an organisation that has repeatedly shown it cares more about it's own continuance than he needs of it's citizens.

I don't believe the scaremongering either. None of it happened immediately after the Brexit vote as was predicted, all that happened was the pound dropped and it's been lower in my lifetime. Our best chance of a deal is by being genuinely willing to go regardless.

But what it comes down to is that A bad divorce and control if our borders is better than a lifetime under the control of EU bullies.

I couldn’t vote but I would have voted leave. I want a stop to the madness of low wage immigration, I want the countryside protected from being concreted over.

The EU will have bigger things to deal with as more countries close the doors to the flood of African immigrants, if this is not stopped all the countries in the EU will vote for extreme right wing parties as NO people in these countries want to have this flood of people.

Mr Powell will be proved correct.

It makes me laugh when people say , people voted for brexit so it is happening. It was a referendum, nothing states that the results have to be acted upon, they could (dear God I wish they would) turn around, stop the willy waving and pull out of the exit. And there is nothing that anyone can do about it.

There no understanding that with the rise of terrorism unfettered freedom of movement is a disaster

Freedoms of movement only applies to EU citizens. Unless you think all terrorists are EU citizens only?

And, we could vote in EU parliamentary elections.... having power as an individual makes no sense - we do have power as individuals. We don’t live in North Korea.

But David Cameron was offered a good deal from the rest of the EU before the referendum. No one explained it fully in the course of the campaign.

Also a lot of our terrorists were UK citizens. Not sure how the EU can do anything about that.

Why would the EU have caused the countryside to be concreted over?

Honestly I think by far the most likely outcome is single market/customs union at this point, because there is no solution to Northern Ireland that has been proposed and the rest of the world, never mind the EU, will not let the UK ignore the provisions of an international peace treaty.

The EU has don't nothing so terrible in the negotiations so far: if the UK wants to negotiate its own treaties then it can't expect that they other side will be doing anything other than looking after their own interests. That starts now.

The issue is how many people seem prepared to throw NI under a bus. A border would a) be practically impossible if you've ever travelled along it b) lead to huge economic turmoil and c) lead to renewed civil unrest. For all the 'let the EU put one up if they want one' nonsense, WTO rules would require either a border at NI or no other borders anywhere else- i.e. Treating the rest of the world the way the EU has been treated. That's the reality of international trade law.

So- at the end of the day, we will either see a last minute decision to stay in the customs union, or a month or so if hard border to explain to everyone why there was no other choice.

I voted and I would vote leave again and again.

Personally I would prefer a 'no deal' Brexit, but with Theresa the Appeaser at the wheel, I doubt that will happen.

The actual day we leave the EU will be a massive party day amongst my family and friends.

Getting exciting now.

I prep for this sort of thing. I had put shit consequences of Brexit (Remain voter btw) lower down the list of likelihood of crappy stuff happening to mess with me and mine. Weather and redundancy being much higher up. Think I'll rejig my list of likely bad stuff.

*The actual day we leave the EU will be a massive party day amongst my family and friends.

Getting exciting now.*

The country potentially going down the shitter gives you a hard on?

@surferjet I would imagine young people were at work, or caring for children. The very young are in the midst of exam season.

Brexit worries me so much I've stopped watching news about it, it just makes me anxious. I can't quite believe the government are going to go ahead with something which time and time again has been shown will have such a significant negative effect on the country.

My useless Tory MP used to be an MEP, and even she has been corralled into party line. It's just so fucking depressing.

Balth

Total rubbish.

The referendum was a legitimate democratic vote.

The people voted.

Get over it.

VickieCherry
Yes I understand that, but on every anti Brexit March we’ve had, the overwhelming majority have been middle aged people.

Young people are very good at getting angry with the government over their future, but they seem to be very quiet on Brexit?

@Yokatsu @FTRT I'm curious- what are your views on the situation in Northern Ireland? I see so few leave voters who have expressed views on it, even though by allowing the DUP to have a casting vote May has more or less made the customs union an eventuality.

If you have fears about terrorists that contributed to voting leave, are you too young to remember the troubles?

*MN seems to be barely acknowledging it.

Even tumbleweed on the politics sections.*

I think that's reflective of a generally apathetic British public who really only think about their day to day lives and not at all about current affairs. If people are only interested in Big Brother and Britain's Got Talent then how on earth do you engage them in more meaningful discussions? I mentioned the Trump-Kim meeting to a colleague and they had no idea what I was talking about

I do believe that MN is in a bubble.

I knew of only a handful of people, in RL, that voted to remain. Those same people would now vote to leave.

I prefer to do my own research, avoiding the doom & gloom of the MSM, and MN of course.

My neighbourhood is already planning a massive street party for Brexit day.

Get over it.

Why, though? Why should people who disagree vehemently with the results of a vote get over it? Why shouldn't they campaign and argue and hold onto their beliefs that it's going to achieve no good for our economy? Would you shut up and never argue the toss if the vote had gone the other way? Doubtful.

Yes to PP above!!!!! One of the leaver I know voted leave because there are too many Indians in the country! Erm....