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To have called the Police on DD (13)

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 13:39

Because I feel like the worst Mum in the world right now.

Back story is that DD is generally good kid;
she does well at and enjoys schoool, predicted great GCSE results, never been in trouble with school or Police, never been in a fight etc. No issues at home, normal family and household. Can be rude, can answer back, the odd tantrum- normal teenage stuff I guess.

Three weeks ago DD missed school for the first time ever. I was informed and she was spoken to and had her iPhone and internet access removed for a week. She didn’t seem bothered really and couldn’t give any real reason for it. I wasn’t too angry and as it was first time occurance (and I admit I did the same a few times when I was a teenager) we decided to draw a line as long as it didnt happen again.

She then started being rude at home, cheeky, smart arse snippy comments etc. Then a week later she went out for a few hours one afternoon and didn’t get back home until Midnight. I was worried sick, had reported her missing to Police- the works. When she strolled back in she wasn’t phased or upset but she seemed apologetic, she’d been at the park with a friend she knows from her old school. This girl’s parents have told me she has been in trouble before, can be violent, causes lots of issues at home, has a Social Worker due to the above. I told her she is not meet her again. Phone, console, iPad etc all removed for two weeks as consequence for the above.

All seemed fine, she was happy and being good and all was fine at home. Then she walked out and didn’t come home for 4 days. 4 days!!! It was the worst 4 days of my life. She isn’t “streetwise” or tough at all and I was out of my mind with worry that she would be found dead in a gutter somewhere. Reported to Police as missing, they made enquiries whilst we hunted everywhere and spoke to every person she knows.

She was eventually found with this same other girl. I went to bring her home and she refused. She started telling me I had no right to force her home, she wanted a Social Worker, I can’t “lay hands” on her etc. Sounded like a completely different child. I called Social Services and begged for some help, they eventually got someone to speak to her and told her she goes home immediately or into care. She came home but has been vile and rude and swearing and awful since (3 days). After spending time with this other girl she now thinks she knows her “rights” thinks she’s untouchable and that she’s the boss and can do as she likes. I’m beyond mortified and so embarrassed and of course baffled by this sudden change.

I’ve been in contact with Children’s Services and asked for some help perhaps with counselling for her and maybe someone to meet with us as a family
to help facilitate/mediate a discussion as to what is wrong and how we can move forward.

Friday night she had a huge tantrum like I’ve never seen before, screaming, banging, shouting and trashing the house room by room. She was like a crazed animal, I couldnt stop her and when she broke some glass all over the spare room I was concerned for her and her own safety. So I called the Police. They arrived and restrained her and calmed her down. She wasn’t rude or aggressive to them and they said that was very unusual. They gave me the option for them to leave and let it go or take her to the Police Station for interview and processing which would take a few hours. I chose the latter. It was horrible and I was really upset but I couldn’t let her get away with it. I needed her to realise she can’t do as she likes and isn’t in charge, as her and this other girl seem to think. She spent 6 hours at the police station before being dropped back. She hasn’t been charged of course, she won’t get any sort of record or anything even similar but she got a big shock and a good talking down and the Police said she seemed genuinely remorseful after a few hours in a cell. She came home and hasn’t tried to run away again but hasn’t spoken to me since (this was Friday) and has spent the weekend in her room.

Was IBU? Would you have done the same? I feel guilty but equally I feel I couldn’t let her do this without consequences as she’d have no deterrent not to do it again.

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Monkee4 · 10/06/2018 20:02

sorry - what I really meant by my last post but didn't explain very well was that other children would tell MY daughter horror stories as well about the other schools so she flat refused to move. I didn't mean that there are necessarily issues - its just that people love to tell you the worst sometimes!

applesandpears33 · 10/06/2018 20:02

I wonder if an underlying issue may be to do with people at her current school? It is interesting she hooked up with an old friend from a different school and after running away made her own way to the interview with the new school. Good luck in trying to get to the bottom of it tomorrow.

applesandpears33 · 10/06/2018 20:09

Just read that the tantrum the other day was shortly after she got home. Is it possible she went up to her room, checked a hidden mobile phone and was then upset by messages she read/voicemails she had received? I would check all the electrical sockets in the house for a phone charger she may have hidden.

mathanxiety · 10/06/2018 20:14

You did 100% the right thing, MrsJonSnow. Don't second guess yourself.

DD is angry now because she had a taste of reality - a few hours in a cell concentrates the mind and it's possible she is feeling shame too as she reflects on the experience, hence the silence. I like Kateandme's idea of little notes suggesting normal, loving feelings and reminding of happy activities. Glad to see she ate her dinner.

Please, please don't discount the possibility of sexual exploitation, a BF who is pressuring her, or someone introducing her to drugs. I second the advice here to get a tech person to go through her phone and any laptop, etc, that she has been using. Don't discount the possibility of a second phone. Do you have a garage or shed? Have you taken her furniture and turned it upside down, looked in the top of curtains, looked underneath drawers, in every single shoe and boot, looked for little slits in the seams or elsewhere in her mattress?

I think it's very encouraging (and astonishing) that DD went to the new school interview. Poor wee thing is trying and hasn't completely gone over to the dark side - there is hope. I agree with Kateandme that leaving the little sister's room alone indicates a protective instinct - protection from what though? I am not sure I would use the term 'emotional' as used by the police to describe the trashing. I would see it as an attempt to communicate something - what exactly is for a therapist and yourself or maybe a trusted teacher in school to figure out (and calling the police and letting them take her away was an excellent way for you to communicate what you needed to communicate too).

I think she probably has something she needs to unburden herself of, and the local therapist sounds like a solid plan. Please commit yourself mentally to unlimited sessions because it may take her a while to feel she can trust this therapist enough to confide in her.

Monkee4 · 10/06/2018 20:15

I just feel so sorry for our children :( they have a horrible life with social media and online bullying and eveything they see on their blooming phones!! It is too much Sad xx

mathanxiety · 10/06/2018 20:16

*I wouldn't change therapists even if a slot opens up in CAMHS. Give your DD time to trust the first therapist.

Kezzamo · 10/06/2018 20:17

I'm sorry I don't have time to rtft but I'd be really worried about cse. She probably has devices you don't know about. May have been introduced to drugs, wants more etc. Maybe convinced friend is on her side etc. Speak to Police ask if girl has links to cse. Get her away. She won't even realise she's a victim. Get all the help you can. Good luck

Carycach100 · 10/06/2018 20:20

How very odd that she went for the school interview whilst being in rebel mode.
well have you any real evidence that she did go to the interview? Or was it just a formality and the school automatically sent out letters to everyone that applied.

DiabolicalMess · 10/06/2018 20:27

You are most definitely not being unreasonable. In fact I think you are handling what must be a horrific situation like an absolute boss. Respect to you, and i hope your dd gets through this tricky time with the excellent support you are providing. Thanks

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 20:30

Carrycach. I emailed he admissions officer to confirm. She said DD attended and met with her before the interview. She said he did really well. Then I got the paperwork offering her a place yesterday.

There’s definitely no other phone in her room. I’ve searched it top to bottom. Nothing. Hopefully more will be revealed over the next few days.

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dogdaysandcatnights · 10/06/2018 20:33

Sorry if this has been said - but do try and find out what happened during those 4 days.

My niece now 21, went off at 15 for a couple of days after meeting a friend at a party - after lots of asking around we found the address and the police picked her up and she came to stay with me for a while as a neutral place - but very sadly during that time she had been taken advantage of by older men.

A councillor would be a good step.
A few ideas that you may already have done:
Try asking her about that time during a car ride with no-one else in the car or during a mundane activity.

Buy her a nice diary & new pens and say you won't read her diary unless there is something she wants to tell you, if so she can leave it open for you.

If you have not already you could talk to her about appropriate behaviour, sexual consent and let her know what she can do if she is ever in that situation.

Buy her something to care for or arrange for her to care for something- do you have animals already? Is she into cats? Dogs? Etc?

Wallywobbles · 10/06/2018 20:43

There is an app that is not cheap but it tells you EVERYTHING that happens on the phone you monitor. WhatsApp and text conversations, browser history, emails, time where and when. It might be worth thinking about.

applesandpears33 · 10/06/2018 20:53

I'd search for a phone charger as well as a phone. My DS is a similar age and although he'd be smart enough to hide a phone well, he wouldn't be quite so careful about the charger that he'd need to use it.

Is there a friend or relative who could look after DD for an extended time over the summer holidays? It may do her some good to have a break away from whatever is troubling her at the moment.

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 21:07

Do you know what that app is called Wally?

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DistanceCall · 10/06/2018 21:16

I agree with PPs. If you find a cousellor / therapist whom your daughter can trust, don't change. It's worth it, it really is.

ReadytoTalk · 10/06/2018 21:24

You're doing a wonderful job op.

LoveProsecco · 10/06/2018 21:38

I think you sound amazing OP. I can't imagine how bard this must be. Please stop feeling guilt for using SS & the police Thanks

applesandpears33 · 10/06/2018 21:39

From what you've written it sounds as though the problem may be 1. something connected with her old friend that she has been meeting, or 2. something connected with her school/current group of friends and she has been meeting up with the old friend from a different school to try and escape it. She did so well getting to the interview for a new school, which shows independence, resourcefulness and strength of character.

ByeMF · 10/06/2018 21:45

So sorry to read about your problems with DD. You did exactly the right thing. My DD also had complete personality change with massive rages, going missing, shoplifting, drinking. Months later she disclosed she'd been seriously assaulted. I have called the police when she has been violent, they were marvellous.

Just knowing you're there when she needs you will be a massive reassurance. But she definitely needs to understand that some behaviours are completely unacceptable.

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 21:51

Apples and pears. I hge told her that I’m very proud of her for attending and that it was really mature and responsible x

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melodybirds · 10/06/2018 22:00

I tried your dd knows deep down she wants to better herself. I think bullying could be a major issue. If they slapped her there must be some awful threats too. Fear is really awful at school and living in constant panic and trepidation. It first started with truancy.

Bullying can lead to deep humiliation. I think humiliation in teens, whether by mortification through bullying or sexual abuse (which she would feel like she chose to do), is a major reason for not talking and acting out.

You sound like a great mum op. She's lucky to have you.

applesandpears33 · 10/06/2018 22:05

I really feel for both of you. I have a DS who is a similar age and feel they are so vulnerable as teenagers. You try to prepare them for independence by letting them walk alone to school, spend time with their friends in the evening etc and at the same time although they feel they are worldly wise they really aren't. You are doing a great job.

LokisLover · 10/06/2018 22:07

Do you think she could have hidden something in her sister’s room and that is another reason why she didn’t trash that room?

melodybirds · 10/06/2018 22:08

Ps as someone upthread said while ss are there don't make her feel like she is passes on to them. Same goes for a therapist which can be crap.

I'm projecting but had awful experiences with therapists in my teens and my parents would never talk to me as it was their job. I needed a mum. Even if the therapist is ok it's for an hour. There's all the time in between of still harbouring secrets. It's different having a loving family member know.

scaryteacher · 10/06/2018 22:19

Check the underside of the cistern in the loo. Amazing what can be taped there.

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