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To have called the Police on DD (13)

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 13:39

Because I feel like the worst Mum in the world right now.

Back story is that DD is generally good kid;
she does well at and enjoys schoool, predicted great GCSE results, never been in trouble with school or Police, never been in a fight etc. No issues at home, normal family and household. Can be rude, can answer back, the odd tantrum- normal teenage stuff I guess.

Three weeks ago DD missed school for the first time ever. I was informed and she was spoken to and had her iPhone and internet access removed for a week. She didn’t seem bothered really and couldn’t give any real reason for it. I wasn’t too angry and as it was first time occurance (and I admit I did the same a few times when I was a teenager) we decided to draw a line as long as it didnt happen again.

She then started being rude at home, cheeky, smart arse snippy comments etc. Then a week later she went out for a few hours one afternoon and didn’t get back home until Midnight. I was worried sick, had reported her missing to Police- the works. When she strolled back in she wasn’t phased or upset but she seemed apologetic, she’d been at the park with a friend she knows from her old school. This girl’s parents have told me she has been in trouble before, can be violent, causes lots of issues at home, has a Social Worker due to the above. I told her she is not meet her again. Phone, console, iPad etc all removed for two weeks as consequence for the above.

All seemed fine, she was happy and being good and all was fine at home. Then she walked out and didn’t come home for 4 days. 4 days!!! It was the worst 4 days of my life. She isn’t “streetwise” or tough at all and I was out of my mind with worry that she would be found dead in a gutter somewhere. Reported to Police as missing, they made enquiries whilst we hunted everywhere and spoke to every person she knows.

She was eventually found with this same other girl. I went to bring her home and she refused. She started telling me I had no right to force her home, she wanted a Social Worker, I can’t “lay hands” on her etc. Sounded like a completely different child. I called Social Services and begged for some help, they eventually got someone to speak to her and told her she goes home immediately or into care. She came home but has been vile and rude and swearing and awful since (3 days). After spending time with this other girl she now thinks she knows her “rights” thinks she’s untouchable and that she’s the boss and can do as she likes. I’m beyond mortified and so embarrassed and of course baffled by this sudden change.

I’ve been in contact with Children’s Services and asked for some help perhaps with counselling for her and maybe someone to meet with us as a family
to help facilitate/mediate a discussion as to what is wrong and how we can move forward.

Friday night she had a huge tantrum like I’ve never seen before, screaming, banging, shouting and trashing the house room by room. She was like a crazed animal, I couldnt stop her and when she broke some glass all over the spare room I was concerned for her and her own safety. So I called the Police. They arrived and restrained her and calmed her down. She wasn’t rude or aggressive to them and they said that was very unusual. They gave me the option for them to leave and let it go or take her to the Police Station for interview and processing which would take a few hours. I chose the latter. It was horrible and I was really upset but I couldn’t let her get away with it. I needed her to realise she can’t do as she likes and isn’t in charge, as her and this other girl seem to think. She spent 6 hours at the police station before being dropped back. She hasn’t been charged of course, she won’t get any sort of record or anything even similar but she got a big shock and a good talking down and the Police said she seemed genuinely remorseful after a few hours in a cell. She came home and hasn’t tried to run away again but hasn’t spoken to me since (this was Friday) and has spent the weekend in her room.

Was IBU? Would you have done the same? I feel guilty but equally I feel I couldn’t let her do this without consequences as she’d have no deterrent not to do it again.

OP posts:
JoyceDivision · 10/06/2018 22:24

@Wallywobbles .... What's the app? Have you used it?

Chocolate50 · 10/06/2018 22:34

I'm so sorry for you, I have one who is now older who started behaving in that our of control way which is actually very frightening for everyone.

I don't want to scare you but my dd was developing severe mental health issues that resulted in anorexia nervosa - I went to every service but none of them were helpful, CAMHS were awful and judgmental, childrens services didn't want to know. Unfortunately 13 years later she is still suffering from this horrible disorder.

You are doing the right thing - hopefully services have improved a bit, but if not you make the decision to find something that will help your DD, its about linking her with the right person - it doesn't have to be a therapist - she might need a good influence or a mentor - find out what they provide at school (sometimes there are services that come in to help by counselling etc).

Being a mum is tough but keep going with supporting your dd.

TheActualRealCinderella · 10/06/2018 22:37

I haven’t read tft but why did it take four days to find her? Surely the bad influence friend’s house is the first place to look.

Ohyesiam · 10/06/2018 23:03

Op , I’m so impressed by how clear headed and right thinking you have been in this. I was a rebellious teen and all I wanted( though o fought against it) were boundaries. I wanted to know that what I did mattered, and the world would respond to me( I felt invisible and impotent) . I don’t believe you are pushing her away and shutout g down communication as pp said.
You were really boundaried, In a way that was all about respect and boundaries.
She sounds pretty awesome too btw.
Hope you get the support you need, and answers to all your questions.

Oddcat · 10/06/2018 23:12

I've had similar with my DD , it's been a nightmare but what I would say is show her more love than ever (easier said than done when they're being so awful) because imo under all this anger is usually a frightened , emotionally vulnerable child.

This doesn't mean you let them get away with bad behaviour though and I think you did the right thing .

likelyLilac · 10/06/2018 23:43

This all slightly reminds me of the book The Tulip Touch by Anne Fine. Could it be that her old friend is the one going through something? If her friend told her something had happened to her but to keep it secret it could lead to her being extremely frustrated and give her a lot of conflicting emotions. It could also explain why she ran away but went back for the interview, if she was just saw herself as helping her friend runaway rather than running way herself.

DoinItForTheKids · 11/06/2018 11:22

I think for the best immediate handling of it with the idea of her not going off again should be hitched to DDs scholastic motivations. Discuss with her re 'would this girl take your focus away from school and what you want to achieve?' - I think once she equates hanging with her as educational failure on her part, her interest in running off will wane.

My DD 16 on a variety of issues much prefers to 'discuss' them via messaging - we don't actually talk - but we do a lot through messaging. Face to Face stresses her out. Sobise what form of communication works.

She actually sounds lovely. She deascaltsd so fast it shows she didn't really want this to happen. She does need to understand that whilst she didn't trash her sisters stuff, kicking off like that in front of children is never ok and that you and her need to find other ways to let rip, this way is never ok.

DoinItForTheKids · 11/06/2018 11:22

So use not sobise!

LakieLady · 11/06/2018 13:22

No way were you unreasonable, OP. Your poor DD sounds really troubled and conflicted imo.

Trashing the house, but leaving her sister's room untouched, smacks of some sort of cry for help rather than a loss of control imo. Getting herself to the school interview and performing well shows she hasn't given up on herself, but the recent change of heart suggests she's either scared to make the change or that someone has made her scared.

I went badly off the rails for a couple of years when I was 14. I've been thinking back, and trying to work out what might have helped me then. The one thing I can think of is that if my mum had given me a really safe space to talk about what was bothering me, with an absolute assurance that she wouldn't freak out, punish me or blame me in any way, I may have explained what was bothering me.

TRIGGER WARNING

If I'd had that assurance, I may have felt able to disclose that my father had sexually abused me quite regularly for around 2 years. Instead, I kept it from her for over 40 years and never told her; in fact, I never told anyone until I disclosed it to a friend more than 20 years after the event.

There are so many things it could be: bullying, body anxiety, unresolved bereavement, gender or sexuality issues, drugs, SA/CSE or simply just the raging hormones and confusion of adolescence. But if she is really shown that you love her, and you are able to create a climate where she feels safe to tell you stuff, you will be better placed to help her deal with it.

Singinghollybob · 11/06/2018 14:49

TheActualCinderella
**I haven’t read tft but why did it take four days to find her? Surely the bad influence friend’s house is the first place to look.

Why don't you read the full thread then, then you know??

mommybear1 · 11/06/2018 15:07

Wow OP just read this thread I think you are doing an incredible job - what a worry - I do hope you are able to get to the bottom of the behaviour. For what it's worth I think you have done the right thing ThanksCake

QueenoftheNights · 11/06/2018 15:18

I think a change of school can be good, or bad depending on the reasons. To give a child a better future away from peers who are not academic or are in danger of being a bad influence, yes maybe. BUT ( I was in education for decades) there are children I saw who were moved from school to school because they were bullied. They rarely thrived. Bullies target vulnerable people. The answer to bullies is to increase confidence and self-esteem and this is harder if the child is constantly on the move to get away from them. I don't know how much your child is being bullied @mrsjonsno but if she is easily led or bullied there are some great parenting courses around in some areas which you may find help you.

As I said earlier, although you see yourselves as a 'normal' family, the facts are you are a single mum, 2 DDs with different dads, both not there for different reasons, and while this may not be an issue at all (and nor am I blaming you) it could be one of many reasons why DD feels insecure. Even though it's not logical, your younger DD has a dad and she doesn't. she could be jealous or anything. She's certainly asking for attention and trying to push the boundaries way beyond anything she has ever done. You need to find out why.

Clubcuts · 11/06/2018 15:56

Tough call, well done. Thanks

BettyBettyBetty · 11/06/2018 17:47

I'm SUPER confused by her going to the interview alone; we would never see a 14 year old on their own in my school? Huge safeguarding concern.

emmyrose2000 · 12/06/2018 05:40

Very tough situation, OP. I hope you can get some answers soon.

As per some pp, unfortunately, some sort of sexual abuse was one of my first thoughts too. I know a family with four kids - all raised the same, and all pretty good kids - until the teen years, when one of the four when totally off the rails, but would never explain why. It all came out years later though when a teacher at this child's old school committed suicide. Turns out he was being investigated for sexually abusing his (past) students, and one of those students was the teen in this particular family.

The fact your DD went to the school interview despite being in the midst of whatever is bothering her now, suggests to me that she wants to get away from her current school for some reason. It may not be anything as awful as sexual abuse (and I hope to god it's not that), but there could be someone amongst either the staff or students who is making her life a misery.

I'd seriously consider keeping her home from school/home educating until the end of the school year and see if that makes a difference.

Notrightbutwhattodo · 12/06/2018 10:13

You are an amazing Mum and your daughter sounds amazing too. It's incredible that she turned up to the interview and I really think you will sort this out. Feel like giving you a big hugFlowers

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 12/06/2018 11:18

It is very odd that DD went to the interview and did very well at such a turbulent time. Could she have sent a friend in her place who she thought might do better?

I would be very vigilant for drugs or CSE . I’m finding it difficult to explain such a complete change in personality is such a small timeframe.

Wallywobbles · 12/06/2018 22:36

@MrsJonSno the app might be mspy I think.

Wallywobbles · 12/06/2018 22:43

@JoyceDivision No I haven't used it. But I did research it a bit. It's expensive but I'd go down that route if one of my kids went of the rails. It'd be very uncomfortable morally I think but necessary in some cases.

Monkee4 · 12/06/2018 23:00

how are you all today mrsjonsno?

MrsJonSno · 13/06/2018 01:12

Thanks all. Monkee4-

She had a good cry and a hug last night and is once again my lovely nice girl. She’s said she’s so sorry she was just so so angry and it all built up and up and she didn’t know how to stop.

We got the paperwork this morning for the new school and I’ve completed it all. She starts Sept. she is very excited and it’s out of the area a little so away from issues with people she knows here. Also they do an extended school day and Compulsory Saturday morning school 😂 so she’s busy and keeping out of trouble I hope.

We had a lovely SW visit who has made a recommendation of a Child In Need plan, he said this is the only way to get the support she needs with some counselling for the bullying/assault, some seesions regarding the dangers of being missing, CSE, and personal safety/positive relationships. It’s going to be for 6 months so she has time to start at her new school and settle down. He was really positive and supportive. Told me it’s very common for hormonal teenage girls and not to feel bad. He was here for two hours and o explained all I’d done and parenting ideas and discipline and consequences etc and he said it all sounds right. Not embarrassed about the CIN plan but it sounds like it will get some support for her.

BettyBettyBetty- It wasn’t an issue for her to go alone, they’d already told me she’d go into the interview alone and I could just wait outside or in reception for her. I wasn’t needed at all for this occasion.

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GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 13/06/2018 06:20

This all sounds positive. Did she explain what happened in the 4 missing days?

Witchend · 13/06/2018 07:20

Glad things are looking up.

Hope they continue to be positive.

Are you able to keep her busy through the Summer Holiday too?

cooldarkroom · 13/06/2018 08:21

This sounds very positive, so relieved for you (the pain, worry of DD missing made my hair go grey !)
Can you try & keep her busy over the w/e ?
all 3 of you go on & day out etc, so that she doesn't have time to mooch.
Please don't give her internet/phone access back yet...

UtterlyDesperate · 13/06/2018 09:37

Glad things are looking up a bit OP Flowers