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To have called the Police on DD (13)

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 13:39

Because I feel like the worst Mum in the world right now.

Back story is that DD is generally good kid;
she does well at and enjoys schoool, predicted great GCSE results, never been in trouble with school or Police, never been in a fight etc. No issues at home, normal family and household. Can be rude, can answer back, the odd tantrum- normal teenage stuff I guess.

Three weeks ago DD missed school for the first time ever. I was informed and she was spoken to and had her iPhone and internet access removed for a week. She didn’t seem bothered really and couldn’t give any real reason for it. I wasn’t too angry and as it was first time occurance (and I admit I did the same a few times when I was a teenager) we decided to draw a line as long as it didnt happen again.

She then started being rude at home, cheeky, smart arse snippy comments etc. Then a week later she went out for a few hours one afternoon and didn’t get back home until Midnight. I was worried sick, had reported her missing to Police- the works. When she strolled back in she wasn’t phased or upset but she seemed apologetic, she’d been at the park with a friend she knows from her old school. This girl’s parents have told me she has been in trouble before, can be violent, causes lots of issues at home, has a Social Worker due to the above. I told her she is not meet her again. Phone, console, iPad etc all removed for two weeks as consequence for the above.

All seemed fine, she was happy and being good and all was fine at home. Then she walked out and didn’t come home for 4 days. 4 days!!! It was the worst 4 days of my life. She isn’t “streetwise” or tough at all and I was out of my mind with worry that she would be found dead in a gutter somewhere. Reported to Police as missing, they made enquiries whilst we hunted everywhere and spoke to every person she knows.

She was eventually found with this same other girl. I went to bring her home and she refused. She started telling me I had no right to force her home, she wanted a Social Worker, I can’t “lay hands” on her etc. Sounded like a completely different child. I called Social Services and begged for some help, they eventually got someone to speak to her and told her she goes home immediately or into care. She came home but has been vile and rude and swearing and awful since (3 days). After spending time with this other girl she now thinks she knows her “rights” thinks she’s untouchable and that she’s the boss and can do as she likes. I’m beyond mortified and so embarrassed and of course baffled by this sudden change.

I’ve been in contact with Children’s Services and asked for some help perhaps with counselling for her and maybe someone to meet with us as a family
to help facilitate/mediate a discussion as to what is wrong and how we can move forward.

Friday night she had a huge tantrum like I’ve never seen before, screaming, banging, shouting and trashing the house room by room. She was like a crazed animal, I couldnt stop her and when she broke some glass all over the spare room I was concerned for her and her own safety. So I called the Police. They arrived and restrained her and calmed her down. She wasn’t rude or aggressive to them and they said that was very unusual. They gave me the option for them to leave and let it go or take her to the Police Station for interview and processing which would take a few hours. I chose the latter. It was horrible and I was really upset but I couldn’t let her get away with it. I needed her to realise she can’t do as she likes and isn’t in charge, as her and this other girl seem to think. She spent 6 hours at the police station before being dropped back. She hasn’t been charged of course, she won’t get any sort of record or anything even similar but she got a big shock and a good talking down and the Police said she seemed genuinely remorseful after a few hours in a cell. She came home and hasn’t tried to run away again but hasn’t spoken to me since (this was Friday) and has spent the weekend in her room.

Was IBU? Would you have done the same? I feel guilty but equally I feel I couldn’t let her do this without consequences as she’d have no deterrent not to do it again.

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Rachie1986 · 10/06/2018 17:57

No advice, but I think you did the right thing. I hope she settles down and you get to the bottom of it x

Mamaryllis · 10/06/2018 17:58

Do you know exactly what they were doing for four days? Has she spoken to you about it?

slkk · 10/06/2018 18:02

I am on a number of support pages for parents of young people with developmental trauma and mental health issues. The teen years can open up some very deep wounds. I would say that opening communication is the first and most important step. Some families have had a lot of success with a communication book or feelings book. You can write in it and leave it in her room and she can do the same for you. The deal needs to be that she won’t get in trouble for anything that is written there. It can be light hearted stuff or deeper stuff. We also have a lot of violence at home, but my child is much younger. It might be an idea to ask for a CAMHs referral as this could also give her another outlet for her stress and definitely ask school to be vigilant with any changes in behaviour or academic performance. Now is the time to bed in for a rocky few years, but this is also the time to be her unassailable safe base and show her that you’ve got her, whatever happens.

mirialis · 10/06/2018 18:08

The more I read of your posts, the more it's resonating. Again, I fully respect the advice of those with experience who are concerned about grooming and I know we all have a tendency to over-project when we see elements of someone's story that matches our own, but - whether she realizes it or not - I do think the school bullying is a key issue here (and possibly some "family issues" - which EVERY 'normal' family has - that neither of you have really realized have had some effect). Moving away sounds drastic but I have often wondered if a "fresh start" would have been the answer for me, though would not have been possible given the fact I had siblings who were settled (who weren't bullied at school and were no trouble over and beyond the normal teen stuff). She's obviously angry and feeling disempowered somehow but you are on it and are tackling it now before she digs herself in too deep.

Mummyoflittledragon · 10/06/2018 18:12

What you did was an incredibly brave thing. I do hope you get to the bottom of what is troubling your dd. In your place I would be deeply concerned.

QueenoftheNights · 10/06/2018 18:15

OP you are doing a great job and I feel for you.

I do think though as others have suggested that it would be sensible to look close to home as well as at the 'other girl' for the reasons behind this.

You have a younger DD so there has been a man around at some point other than your older DD's father. Does this man have contact with your family? Could he be in the picture at all with your older DD? I know this may be painful and unthinkable but sadly, often abuse or family issues stem from people near the children, and can be adults.

Are you open to this line of thinking and exploring? if the 2nd father was the result of a ONS or whatever, fair enough and sorry for asking, but something may have occurred which you know nothing of.

SabineUndine · 10/06/2018 18:16

Is she in her sister’s room much? Could she have hidden another phone there? A 4yo isn’t tall enough to reach very high so there would be loads of safe hiding places.

londoneast · 10/06/2018 18:19

MrsJonSno

Yeah i thought this would be a single mum situation. Screams of it.
Is there anyway you can get in contact with her dad?

QueenoftheNights · 10/06/2018 18:22

Is there anyway you can get in contact with her dad?
Oh FGS. RTFT
Her father died. so contact is highly unlikely Hmm

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 18:22

Sorry, I haven’t deliberately not answered questions. No. I don’t have a partner or boyfriend. It’s just me and my two daughter’s that live here. No Male family members that stay overnight or that she or we stay with. I don’t know of any older male friends she has. Her main Male friend is her age and Gay- so there’s nobody I would even think could be a risk to her. I don’t for a second think I know everything about her but I do try and know as much as I can.

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Breakfastofmilk · 10/06/2018 18:22

@londoneast

If you RTFT you would have seen that her dad died when she was little, so no way for the OP to get in touch with him.

In any case your comment is pretty rude and condescending to single parents.

sijjy · 10/06/2018 18:24

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 18:24

It’s ok Queenofnights, it was a long time ago, not a sensitive subject now.

No, short of employing a local Medium I can’t contact her Dad as he has been dead for 12 years.

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 18:25

LondonEast. Aren't you a peach!

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 18:29

Yes my younger daughter has a Father. She sees him regularly but he’s never here overnight or when I’m not here or with eldest DD alone. All very amicable. Usually I when he has her I try and get some time with eldest DD- we go to the cinema or Nando’s or shopping or similar.

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QueenoftheNights · 10/06/2018 18:29

so does the father of your younger DD have nothing to do with you or his child either?

You don't have to say but what you depict as a 'normal' family is not in some ways and there could be sensitive areas for a 13 yr old in the midst of puberty. By that I mean no father of her own around ( you say she didn't know him but that doesn't mean she doesn't 'miss' having a dad figure around. Dads can be VERY important and influential figures in girls' lives at puberty and they often learn to flirt (safely) with dads, to find their own boundaries outside the family.

Having two DDs with no father around for whatever reason may be something that is upsetting your older DD. We just don;t know.

QueenoftheNights · 10/06/2018 18:33

Xd posts OP. Could your older DD be jealous that her sis has a father around and she doesn't? I think these are all the issues that need exploring with a therapist. If you have the money I'd see someone privately asap and not hang around for Camhs which can take 6 months for an appt. The BACP has counsellors who are experienced in working with children ( info online).

FASH84 · 10/06/2018 18:36

You've done the right thing OP I've been involved in youth offending teams and substance misuse and child sexual exploitation is very common with looked after children, it's not just the girl she's hanging out with, but the wider circle. Don't give up on her and you're absolutely right to ask for help and bring this to police and social care attention

fuzzyfozzy · 10/06/2018 18:49

You've done a fab job in a difficult situation. Keep talking about anything I think but let her know that at some point you need the difficult conversation

40isnew50 · 10/06/2018 18:51

Big hugs. You did the right thing. Sometimes you need to risk being unpopular with their kids in order to do what is best for them. I hope you get some resolution soon x

Hotdogjumpingfrogs · 10/06/2018 18:56

Sorry only read op posts not the full thread.

You said your daughter is 13, that is a prime age to go off the rails. Children especially girls who have been perfectly behaved often change at around 13.

I know you said your searched her room but sorry to say, I was taking drugs at that age, I never bought them or took them home. They were always supplied by older teenage boys. Also meaning no money needed.

If she's been bullyed she could ealisy fall in with a bad crowd because shes now got acceptance and friends.

My parents also tried to ban me from bad friends, never worked I just lied and/or ran away.

Your best bet is encourage good activities like you have done with the cadets. If she can get in with a new friendship group that are a good influence she will get away from this bad friend(s) that are clearly leading her in this bad behaviour. But locking her up might just make it worse.

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 18:58

Thanks everyone. I have a long list of people to call tomorrow. Head Teacher/Safeguarding lead and EWO (she missed last week as she was missing!) There’s a Counsellor that specialises in teens in our town so I’ll call her and find out about paying for some sessions for DD (although I know she’ll be reluctant).

I had actually been intending to try and move DD to a nicer school slightly out of the area. She had an admissions interview booked for last week there which I emailed them about and cancelled as it was booked to take place on the second day that she was missing :( however, and totally bizarrely, I’ve since had an email from the school to say she turned up to the interview herself and did wonderfully and they’ve offered her a place from September. Which is possibly one of the the strangest things about this entire situation. She had never been there before and so she had found the address and the bus route there and must have called for the time as I hadn’t told her when it was and she went off her own bat! ... whilst running away from home 🤷‍♀️ I thought they’d made a mistake but I got the paperwork through yesterday morning to confirm.

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 19:00

Trying not to cry with all your lovely words. Sometimes you just need to hear you’re not a total crap mum I guess :)

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ItsClemFandangoCanYouHearMe · 10/06/2018 19:01

That was a really tough call OP but I think you did the right thing.

I hope you get to the bottom of what's bothering your daughter and regain some normality

Thanks
cooldarkroom · 10/06/2018 19:01

Skipped to the end,
I have lived through this, you have my heart felt sympathy. In the case of my daughter it was drugs related.
She also had had significant health problems, was easily led, & lacking in self esteem/confidence.
It was the starkest period of our lives, you are right to come down as hard as possible, she must not be allowed to see this girl. She has to be grounded (having said that, my DD took the school bus, I was waiting at the bus stop, she hid & didn't get off & didn't reappear for days... So easier said than done.) if possible, I would let the school know you have problems & try & get them to agree to not let her leave school without
you.
Yes there will be tantrums, smashed chairs, all sorts of vitriol. It's OK. keep her away form her clique, anything broken is not replaced, you do not clear up after her, do not try & "buy" better behaviour. I would not offer to let her go out if she's good.......(They lie) . My advice is lock down. & try & get councilling.
My DD & I survived this.

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