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To have called the Police on DD (13)

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 13:39

Because I feel like the worst Mum in the world right now.

Back story is that DD is generally good kid;
she does well at and enjoys schoool, predicted great GCSE results, never been in trouble with school or Police, never been in a fight etc. No issues at home, normal family and household. Can be rude, can answer back, the odd tantrum- normal teenage stuff I guess.

Three weeks ago DD missed school for the first time ever. I was informed and she was spoken to and had her iPhone and internet access removed for a week. She didn’t seem bothered really and couldn’t give any real reason for it. I wasn’t too angry and as it was first time occurance (and I admit I did the same a few times when I was a teenager) we decided to draw a line as long as it didnt happen again.

She then started being rude at home, cheeky, smart arse snippy comments etc. Then a week later she went out for a few hours one afternoon and didn’t get back home until Midnight. I was worried sick, had reported her missing to Police- the works. When she strolled back in she wasn’t phased or upset but she seemed apologetic, she’d been at the park with a friend she knows from her old school. This girl’s parents have told me she has been in trouble before, can be violent, causes lots of issues at home, has a Social Worker due to the above. I told her she is not meet her again. Phone, console, iPad etc all removed for two weeks as consequence for the above.

All seemed fine, she was happy and being good and all was fine at home. Then she walked out and didn’t come home for 4 days. 4 days!!! It was the worst 4 days of my life. She isn’t “streetwise” or tough at all and I was out of my mind with worry that she would be found dead in a gutter somewhere. Reported to Police as missing, they made enquiries whilst we hunted everywhere and spoke to every person she knows.

She was eventually found with this same other girl. I went to bring her home and she refused. She started telling me I had no right to force her home, she wanted a Social Worker, I can’t “lay hands” on her etc. Sounded like a completely different child. I called Social Services and begged for some help, they eventually got someone to speak to her and told her she goes home immediately or into care. She came home but has been vile and rude and swearing and awful since (3 days). After spending time with this other girl she now thinks she knows her “rights” thinks she’s untouchable and that she’s the boss and can do as she likes. I’m beyond mortified and so embarrassed and of course baffled by this sudden change.

I’ve been in contact with Children’s Services and asked for some help perhaps with counselling for her and maybe someone to meet with us as a family
to help facilitate/mediate a discussion as to what is wrong and how we can move forward.

Friday night she had a huge tantrum like I’ve never seen before, screaming, banging, shouting and trashing the house room by room. She was like a crazed animal, I couldnt stop her and when she broke some glass all over the spare room I was concerned for her and her own safety. So I called the Police. They arrived and restrained her and calmed her down. She wasn’t rude or aggressive to them and they said that was very unusual. They gave me the option for them to leave and let it go or take her to the Police Station for interview and processing which would take a few hours. I chose the latter. It was horrible and I was really upset but I couldn’t let her get away with it. I needed her to realise she can’t do as she likes and isn’t in charge, as her and this other girl seem to think. She spent 6 hours at the police station before being dropped back. She hasn’t been charged of course, she won’t get any sort of record or anything even similar but she got a big shock and a good talking down and the Police said she seemed genuinely remorseful after a few hours in a cell. She came home and hasn’t tried to run away again but hasn’t spoken to me since (this was Friday) and has spent the weekend in her room.

Was IBU? Would you have done the same? I feel guilty but equally I feel I couldn’t let her do this without consequences as she’d have no deterrent not to do it again.

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kateandme · 10/06/2018 17:16

I thought this too queen my cousin after the divorce went into rages and once ripped apart the bathroom.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 10/06/2018 17:19

kateandme yes much safer and happier now. Eventually chose to move out at 18 and take my chances, it’s been many years now since the abuse and he is dead. Have finally gone no contact with my mum too which is liberating. No more drama lol

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 17:21

Mila. That’s exactly what the Police Officer said. He asked me to go into another room and said teens usually kick off and scream and shout and struggle and I wouldn’t want to watch. He came back in after and said she was compliant and polite! He said he could take her to hospital but she wasn’t showing any signs of it being a MH issue so it would have to be voluntary thing and he didn’t think it would be worthwhile. I also forgot to mention that whilst ransacking the house in her rage she did all the bedrooms except her little sister’s (she’s 4 and wasn’t home but would have been very upset) and also didn’t touch any of her toys in the lounge or kitchen areas. Police noticed this too and said that shows restraint and consideration meaning it was almost certainly an emotional outburst rather than a MH episode.

To clarify, her room has been fully searched multiple times too to bottom in every hiding place, clothes drawers, under the bed, everywhere. No devices or anything. I have to keep her off everything whilst we tryband figure this out.

The notes idea is lovely. She doesn’t want to talk and she didn’t want any dinner but I made her some and took her dinner up and left it by her door and she’s eaten it and brought the plate and cutlery back down! ❤️

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Carycach100 · 10/06/2018 17:22

A 13vyeqr old missing 4 days is a big deal . Something has happened to make her chsnge so suddenly. She needs you on her side she needs support and patience to try and open up the lines of communication.To me your heavy handed approach in punishment and involving the police has only succeeded in pushing her further away - she won't speak to you now!
.13 is so very young, she is in way over her head and needs HELP .The first step in that is getting her to pen up.

Jellycatspyjamas · 10/06/2018 17:23

You might also want to consider that her friend may have recruited her into a sexually exploitative situation - it’s not unusual for girls to be expected to bring other girls into the circle as it were, it’s all part of the whole abuse. Being missing for 4 days is a huge indicator that something’s very wrong and my mind went straight to CSE. If that’s a possibility she may not even see it as exploitation or abuse, very often it’s not til girls are much older they realise the true nature of something they thought was consensual.

I remember going throwing a tantrum like that with my parents, at the time I had been groomed into an incredibly abusive relationship that they knew nothing about. Their reaction wasn’t great tbh, and compounded things massively.

It’s worth having a look for a second phone, keep talking to her, let her know you’re open to hearing about what happened while she was away but don’t keep pressing it - do create as much opportunity for her to talk as you can, so that she can just talk without it being a big deal.

AndroidsConundrum · 10/06/2018 17:24

You said the room was search when she was missing... has it been done since she was back? If she had a second device it might have been with her when she was away?

I'm so sorry to hear you're going through this OP, you sound like a rock to her Flowers

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 17:26

I appreciate your opinion Cary. I think at then time I had to call Police. She was totally out of control and wasn’t looking like she was going to stop. I was scared she would hurt herself after there was smashed glass everywhere and she’s too old and strong for me to restrain and hug until she’d calmed down. I didn’t have to let the Police take her but I went with their recommendation. I don’t know whether that was the right way or not; in fact I don’t think there was a right option. Both were rubbish.

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 17:26

When she got back in the door I made her hand over all she had on her, the bad and coat and empty her pockets everything.

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kateandme · 10/06/2018 17:31

also her little sis being the only room and things she kept"safe" is there something behind this.protecting her younger sis from feeling bad,getting hurt etc.thats gotten all sorts of thought running through my mind.
but shows if nothing else shes the thoughtful and kind daughter you know and love there is ust something going on for her right now that she needs help with.
her bring her stuff down.showing her face and clearing away is a huge and brilliant step.and brave.
keep going op.

qauckporridgebacon good on you.im so glad your ok now.your very brave.

Graphista · 10/06/2018 17:32

You say her father isn't around but also "we" searched her room etc, so does she have a stepfather?

If so, and I realise NOBODY wants to consider this but it does happen, could the absence of evidence of a predator outside your home, mean there's one inside it and that's what she's running from?

I was abused by my own father around this age AND acted out in a similar way. I left home at 18, soon as I could and haven't been back.

As I say, nobody wants to think this, my mother still doesn't believe me. Doesn't mean it isn't true. And it's more common than many like to admit too.

Your dd may have contacted the other girl because she knows she's been through something similar (doesn't necessarily mean she's disclosed to her). I don't think demonising her is helpful, instead perhaps ask dd why she sought this girl out after not seeing her for a while?

kateandme · 10/06/2018 17:34

mrsjonsno there as you said couldn't have been a thought out response.you did what you could in this situation and its obvious from your posts it was done through desperation backed my great love.so don't keep overthinking that.we will all think and do differently to others so don't take that on. its the right now and afterwards you need to get to now.that will be enough to cope with.
and if the police were kind it might have been just the thing she needed to feel safe again.

blackeyes72 · 10/06/2018 17:34

If it was me, and I know this is hard, I would change everything. I would move her schools, house, even send her abroad for a while. My gut instinct reading this, is that she has fallen with the wrong friends and it's gone so far that only removing her completely will resolve it.

Sorry it's so drastic, but if I were you that's what I would do.

Freshfeelings · 10/06/2018 17:34

Who else lives in your home, OP, apart from you and the little sister? Could there be some problem between her and another in your household?

lovelycuppateas · 10/06/2018 17:35

You are doing SO well. My older son used to be pretty awful when that age, and also got into trouble with the police. I was also a single mother at that point and it's really easy to doubt yourself.

BUT , you are absolutely doing the right thing. You really need to set firm boundaries in place and show authority - you don't have to shout, scream (and certainly not slap), but just be in charge. Like you I confiscated phones, took my son off social media multiple times and grounded him repeatedly - grounding particularly was useful as it enabled him to extricate from friendships that weren't very healthy (and were actually hugely stressing him out).

At one point I followed him to school and said I'd go to each class with him if he truanted again. He knew I was serious, and he stopped. Basically, it took a while, was hugely difficult and stressful, but it worked, and when he was about 15 he just turned a corner. We get on really well and he's turning into this really lovely adult.

Honestly, it sounds like you've got this and you're doing really well Flowers

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 17:36

Her Father died when she wasn’t little. She doesn’t remember him. I said we but I meant me. Well, me and Police separately.

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 17:39

It’s just me and my other daughter here. Normal home, normal life, nice extended family and friends, no real serious current worries or stress at home generally really.

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QueenoftheNights · 10/06/2018 17:42

Sorry to hear about her father dying when she was small.

A few people have asked and it's just to get the whole picture. Do you have a partner? Or a boyfriend who she sees at your home?Could anything have happened which you don't know about?

Her behaviour to me sounds like out and out rebellion when she has seen another side to teenage life through these friends. But it could be substance abuse. Or other forms of abuse.

It is interesting that when faced with the law, she behaved but took her anger out on you. It looks as if you are the easy target and she wants to hurt you. Why?

ittakes2 · 10/06/2018 17:42

After reading the title I thought you were unreasonable - after reading the back story I think you did the right thing. She needed a shock and she got one.

DragonMummy1418 · 10/06/2018 17:43

You did the right thing. Well done & Thanks

Keep her away from her new 'friend' and get her to see a counsellor asap.

I'd also monitor her internet and phone usage very very very closely.

robotcartrainhat · 10/06/2018 17:44

I think you did the right thing.
Hopefully will have scared her into looking at the bigger picture.
Its such a difficult age for girls I agree with PP and her behaviour doesnt mean she is on drugs or a bad child.... I think its common for girls of that age to have uncontrollable emotions and go too far with things.
Think its a case of keeping her away from this other girl but also letting her know she is loved and that she is a 'good' person even if sometimes she may experiences overwhelming or negative emotions... sometimes girls at that age can think they have to be bad or in with the bad crowd because they cant understand why they sometimes go off the rails.... its important to reassure her that things being difficult for her sometimes does not mean that she is a bad child or that she needs to go down the path of being a complete tearaway....
I wish I had realised that at that age as I started to feel more comfortable around more troubled girls as I thought I was a bad person because I had these normal teenage moodswings.... so I sought out the company of more troubled girls....
You dont want that to happen so its important to let her know that you still love her and overall she is doing well and that going off the rails although you are angry about it and it was a bad thing to do.. does not mean she is a bad or troubled person

margaritasbythesea · 10/06/2018 17:47

Very sensible post robotcartrainhat. And very true.

Thirtyrock39 · 10/06/2018 17:52

I agree with others there are loads of red flags for CSE here

BettyBettyBetty · 10/06/2018 17:52

OP, I work in a behavioural school and I definitely think you made the right decision. We wouldn't have so many of our kids if more parents were like you, not afraid to make the hard decisions.

BettyBettyBetty · 10/06/2018 17:53

Does the other girl go to her school? What have school said?

sadie9 · 10/06/2018 17:53

Sorry to be nosy, but just trying to get a bigger picture of who else is around in her life. You said that her own Dad died when she was little, however she has a sister who is aged 4. So is her little sister's Dad around or does he come to the house as well? She trashed the house so she is really really angry with somebody. And if something has happened to her it may have been in the past, not necessarily recently.

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