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To have called the Police on DD (13)

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 13:39

Because I feel like the worst Mum in the world right now.

Back story is that DD is generally good kid;
she does well at and enjoys schoool, predicted great GCSE results, never been in trouble with school or Police, never been in a fight etc. No issues at home, normal family and household. Can be rude, can answer back, the odd tantrum- normal teenage stuff I guess.

Three weeks ago DD missed school for the first time ever. I was informed and she was spoken to and had her iPhone and internet access removed for a week. She didn’t seem bothered really and couldn’t give any real reason for it. I wasn’t too angry and as it was first time occurance (and I admit I did the same a few times when I was a teenager) we decided to draw a line as long as it didnt happen again.

She then started being rude at home, cheeky, smart arse snippy comments etc. Then a week later she went out for a few hours one afternoon and didn’t get back home until Midnight. I was worried sick, had reported her missing to Police- the works. When she strolled back in she wasn’t phased or upset but she seemed apologetic, she’d been at the park with a friend she knows from her old school. This girl’s parents have told me she has been in trouble before, can be violent, causes lots of issues at home, has a Social Worker due to the above. I told her she is not meet her again. Phone, console, iPad etc all removed for two weeks as consequence for the above.

All seemed fine, she was happy and being good and all was fine at home. Then she walked out and didn’t come home for 4 days. 4 days!!! It was the worst 4 days of my life. She isn’t “streetwise” or tough at all and I was out of my mind with worry that she would be found dead in a gutter somewhere. Reported to Police as missing, they made enquiries whilst we hunted everywhere and spoke to every person she knows.

She was eventually found with this same other girl. I went to bring her home and she refused. She started telling me I had no right to force her home, she wanted a Social Worker, I can’t “lay hands” on her etc. Sounded like a completely different child. I called Social Services and begged for some help, they eventually got someone to speak to her and told her she goes home immediately or into care. She came home but has been vile and rude and swearing and awful since (3 days). After spending time with this other girl she now thinks she knows her “rights” thinks she’s untouchable and that she’s the boss and can do as she likes. I’m beyond mortified and so embarrassed and of course baffled by this sudden change.

I’ve been in contact with Children’s Services and asked for some help perhaps with counselling for her and maybe someone to meet with us as a family
to help facilitate/mediate a discussion as to what is wrong and how we can move forward.

Friday night she had a huge tantrum like I’ve never seen before, screaming, banging, shouting and trashing the house room by room. She was like a crazed animal, I couldnt stop her and when she broke some glass all over the spare room I was concerned for her and her own safety. So I called the Police. They arrived and restrained her and calmed her down. She wasn’t rude or aggressive to them and they said that was very unusual. They gave me the option for them to leave and let it go or take her to the Police Station for interview and processing which would take a few hours. I chose the latter. It was horrible and I was really upset but I couldn’t let her get away with it. I needed her to realise she can’t do as she likes and isn’t in charge, as her and this other girl seem to think. She spent 6 hours at the police station before being dropped back. She hasn’t been charged of course, she won’t get any sort of record or anything even similar but she got a big shock and a good talking down and the Police said she seemed genuinely remorseful after a few hours in a cell. She came home and hasn’t tried to run away again but hasn’t spoken to me since (this was Friday) and has spent the weekend in her room.

Was IBU? Would you have done the same? I feel guilty but equally I feel I couldn’t let her do this without consequences as she’d have no deterrent not to do it again.

OP posts:
lhavepassport · 10/06/2018 16:30

Please don't feel ashamed or judged, just tell them what you have written here. I won't have been the only social worker on here to have read it. I feel concern due to the sudden behaviour changes but I don't automatically think that this is a parenting fail on your part and neither will the social worker who visits.

Colbu24 · 10/06/2018 16:32

Things can go so wrong at 13. I made terrible choices then and I regret them.
I wish my Mum had been tougher and keep a closer eye on me for my own good.

CiderwithBuda · 10/06/2018 16:33

I just had a look through emails from ds’s School re safeguarding and there was a section on apps that parents need to be aware of. I could forward the email to you if you like? Just pm me. I tried to copy it on here but couldn’t.

BewareOfDragons · 10/06/2018 16:33

You have done the right thing and you are continuing to do the right things.

Something is clearly wrong and she needs help. I hope you can get to the bottom of what's going on.

Flowers
bopeepsheep · 10/06/2018 16:35

The best resource I have ever found is Mercurys Child by Warwick Dyer. He is an incredibly skilled man and has worked wonders with many families I know. Have a read of his website and watch his (harrowing!) documentaries if you have time - they are all on his website.

Flowers
WyldDucks · 10/06/2018 16:36

This may sound odd but, is there a chance she has started taking the pill (hormonal contraceptives)? I only ask as I had very similar behavioural problems as a teenager after starting on it and I didn't twig until I was older. I refuse to touch them now.

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 16:37

Thank you Cider, we received the same (or similar) email about apps. She can’t eat apps without me entering the password as it’s my account so I know what she has and
I always check what they are/safety aspects/read up online first. She actually didn’t have many social media ones aside from Instagram.

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fcekinghell · 10/06/2018 16:37

could you move OP? Change houses, change schools, get her away from negative influences? That's what I'd do. Your DD needs to come first so forget any problems with jobs, impact on the wider family because this is already affecting all that. You could always commute to work etc.

kateandme · 10/06/2018 16:44

sorry your going through this hun.
do you know what will save her.having a mum like you sound to be.your supporting her in anyway you can and your not giving up.that is amazing.
if she is going through something she cant voice.right now all she will do is push and push and test how far she can push in order to see whether youll still be there.testing how much pain you can handle and be able to catch her and hold her safe.
could you write a letter.slip it under the door.make It really sopp if you want.just letting her know that shes your daughter and although you might not like what shes done that never ever mean you don't love her.that you will be right here when she needs to talk.and you can keep her safe.no matter what youll be there.
and keep putting these little notes under the door.
"let me no ifyou want to go for a walk"
"movie on the couch and chocolate if you want"
"here for cuddles"
"just letting you no im going to bed but ive not left you.come see me anytime"
what she did sounds way too big to be a teenage "off the rails" and so suddenly.
but for now if she cant talk you need to build up that relationship of support and trust.so that if there is something or when shit hits the fan you know you've got eacohter.
do you have support mrsjonsno
might the gp be worth seeing,sometime they more than the ss know of good people to talk to and might be a gateway for help.

Miladamermalada · 10/06/2018 16:45

I was going to reiterate the above poster who suggested moving away. Harsh but this seems very extreme. She needs to never see the damaged girl again as horrible as that sounds. She could have been exposed to drugs, self harm, underage sex, anything.
That can seem exciting to a 'well brought up', sheltered child. She could resent your boringness as it gets no attention. What she doesn't realise at present is that what she has is better because she is loved. The other girl and her life is enticing and mysterious, to us it is shit and horrible but she isn't old enough to know that yet.
You absolutely did the right thing I applaud your decision well done.

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 16:45

I’ve not even had chance to consider that yet Feckinghell, but it certainly wouldn’t be a huge issue if it were necessary to resolve this. My little one is about to start Reception so it’s far from ideal but it’s a possibility of course. I think that will be a strong option if I can’t keep her away from this other girl.

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BlueSuffragette · 10/06/2018 16:46

Oh OP, you must have been out of your mind with worry. I think you did the right thing contacting the police. I agree with the views of others 're potential grooming and drugs. You come across as a really sensible, level headed parent. The SW will hopefully offer your family more guidance and support. The problem with social media is people can still reach your DD when she is at home. Hunt for a 2nd phone, monitor her existing phone for all new and old/deleted medsages and make sure she had a tracking device on her phone when you give it back. That will help you track where she goes vs where she says she goes. I'm sure you will do everything possible to keep her away from the girl who has been a really terrible influence. Maybe now she knows the police and other professionals are involved the so called 'friends' she was with will drop contact now. Best of luck. You sound like a great mum who is trying her best to protect her DD. Flowers

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 16:47

Yes Mila. I think the other girl’s life and friends and activities must seem extremely exciting for my daughter. She hasn’t been sheltered or had her movements overly controlled but she’s been patented with boundaries and rules and it must be a liberating feeling to have none of that at 13 for a few days.

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kateandme · 10/06/2018 16:48

don't feel ashamed or judged.sometimes some really horrible things happen in families or to those we love.and you know what gets your through.support and love.because no matter how good a parent you are sometimes just bad stuff happens.and its the difference between getting through and not that is formed on love and the strength you get from that.

SlowDown76mph · 10/06/2018 16:48

Have you checked for a second (hidden) phone?

SkinnyForSummer · 10/06/2018 16:51

I think a doctor would have been more use than the police. In my limited experience, if children act out, it is because something is making them.

justilou1 · 10/06/2018 16:58

Hi OP - just letting you know that I caught my 11 year old out totally bypassing Apple security by skipping apps. Instead of attempting to download YouTube and having to ask me for the app (I would have said no, btw...) She set up a gmail account and logged into YouTube through Safari. You might need a thorough check of her browsing history for alternate log-ins. (My 14yo told me that this is how girls have second insta accounts hidden)

hopelessandhopeful · 10/06/2018 17:01

Hi OP - just letting you know that I caught my 11 year old out totally bypassing Apple security by skipping apps. Instead of attempting to download YouTube and having to ask me for the app (I would have said no, btw...) She set up a gmail account and logged into YouTube through Safari. You might need a thorough check of her browsing history for alternate log-ins. (My 14yo told me that this is how girls have second insta accounts hidden)

If they're savvy enough to do that, they may well know how to individually delete certain entries on their browsing history too though.

Miladamermalada · 10/06/2018 17:02

But doctors only deal with medical issues skinny. If OP had taken her to hospital bar a toxicology screen there wouldn't have been much point. It is the sudden behaviour linked to this girl which is the issue. Drugs are not unlikely. But the police demonstrate to OP's daughter that her behaviour changes are highly unacceptable and that abuse to her mother are not going to escalate because she keeps the problems 'in the family'. One day she will be grateful. Four whole days to run off is a long time for a girl that age. The other girl is the problem here not OP's daughter. That is why I think a move may be beneficial if things don't improve.

Stillme1 · 10/06/2018 17:06

MrsJonSno - I think you have done the right thing. Young people are full of what they see as their rights but as people as well as parents we also have the right to expect to be treated decently and not to be placed in fear and alarm in our own homes.
I had similar carry on from DC and I tried to understand and cope with all the running away and police involvement. I have had all sorts of abuses, emotional, psychological, physical, financial, and the other! I have complied with the expectation that we should not hit our children even though they hit me. I did the soft parenting but I cant help wondering if my DC had been born 50+ years ago and carried on like this they would have been smacked and sent down a mine. There has to be a happy medium somewhere.
Time has gone by and my DC are grown up with DC of their own and still I was subjected to abuse until I decided no more.
I hope you get somewhere with SS and Police but always remember that you are entitled to live in peace in your own home and without fear. You also have to protect the younger child. No-one should carry on in the manner your DD has
For those saying to endure this carry on from the DD just go into work tomorrow and try the same carry on with your boss.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 10/06/2018 17:07

This can be normal puberty like others have said but, I did react similar (didn’t run off for four days though but did leave the house quietly at the same age and didn’t return home, I stayed at my nans for a while instead) I was nasty and would leave a trail of notes saying I hated my mum etc and at the time I was about 5 years into sexual abuse. Eventually I calmed down when I learnt to accept what was happening. I don’t want to say that is what’s happening because I can’t be sure. It’s hard to say what to do because at the time for me, all I wanted gas for someoneto just know exactly what was happening and stop it. However, my mum was also abusive too so I didn’t really have her to go to. I hope I haven’t worried you now, just remembering that it sounds similar to how I was. With a Mum so calm and not abusive like yourself I probably would have got worse and ran away for a few days, I planned it a lot.

Miladamermalada · 10/06/2018 17:07

Also the fact she was compliant with the police and didn't continue kicking off shows it can be controlled and isn't a mental health problem where she loses control and is a risk to herself. She felt able to tantrum because she felt safe at home.

QueenoftheNights · 10/06/2018 17:13

Is there a father figure around at all? It could be that something has triggered her rage to do with no father around. Are you divorced and does she see her father? Is this relevant at all? Children can often protest in all sorts of ways if they are angry about a family split. I had a friend whose DH left her and their son was utterly horrible to for years as a teen, blaming his mum for the break up when in fact the dad had left for OW. But the mum was the easy target. Ring any bells?

kateandme · 10/06/2018 17:14

sorry you went through that qauckporridgebacon fingers crossed your happy and safer now

Coyoacan · 10/06/2018 17:15

Being the parent of a teenager can be like walking a tightrope.

I don't know if you were right or wrong in calling the police, but as a rule of thumb, it is better to be very broadminded so that you can keep the lines of communication open.