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To have called the Police on DD (13)

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MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 13:39

Because I feel like the worst Mum in the world right now.

Back story is that DD is generally good kid;
she does well at and enjoys schoool, predicted great GCSE results, never been in trouble with school or Police, never been in a fight etc. No issues at home, normal family and household. Can be rude, can answer back, the odd tantrum- normal teenage stuff I guess.

Three weeks ago DD missed school for the first time ever. I was informed and she was spoken to and had her iPhone and internet access removed for a week. She didn’t seem bothered really and couldn’t give any real reason for it. I wasn’t too angry and as it was first time occurance (and I admit I did the same a few times when I was a teenager) we decided to draw a line as long as it didnt happen again.

She then started being rude at home, cheeky, smart arse snippy comments etc. Then a week later she went out for a few hours one afternoon and didn’t get back home until Midnight. I was worried sick, had reported her missing to Police- the works. When she strolled back in she wasn’t phased or upset but she seemed apologetic, she’d been at the park with a friend she knows from her old school. This girl’s parents have told me she has been in trouble before, can be violent, causes lots of issues at home, has a Social Worker due to the above. I told her she is not meet her again. Phone, console, iPad etc all removed for two weeks as consequence for the above.

All seemed fine, she was happy and being good and all was fine at home. Then she walked out and didn’t come home for 4 days. 4 days!!! It was the worst 4 days of my life. She isn’t “streetwise” or tough at all and I was out of my mind with worry that she would be found dead in a gutter somewhere. Reported to Police as missing, they made enquiries whilst we hunted everywhere and spoke to every person she knows.

She was eventually found with this same other girl. I went to bring her home and she refused. She started telling me I had no right to force her home, she wanted a Social Worker, I can’t “lay hands” on her etc. Sounded like a completely different child. I called Social Services and begged for some help, they eventually got someone to speak to her and told her she goes home immediately or into care. She came home but has been vile and rude and swearing and awful since (3 days). After spending time with this other girl she now thinks she knows her “rights” thinks she’s untouchable and that she’s the boss and can do as she likes. I’m beyond mortified and so embarrassed and of course baffled by this sudden change.

I’ve been in contact with Children’s Services and asked for some help perhaps with counselling for her and maybe someone to meet with us as a family
to help facilitate/mediate a discussion as to what is wrong and how we can move forward.

Friday night she had a huge tantrum like I’ve never seen before, screaming, banging, shouting and trashing the house room by room. She was like a crazed animal, I couldnt stop her and when she broke some glass all over the spare room I was concerned for her and her own safety. So I called the Police. They arrived and restrained her and calmed her down. She wasn’t rude or aggressive to them and they said that was very unusual. They gave me the option for them to leave and let it go or take her to the Police Station for interview and processing which would take a few hours. I chose the latter. It was horrible and I was really upset but I couldn’t let her get away with it. I needed her to realise she can’t do as she likes and isn’t in charge, as her and this other girl seem to think. She spent 6 hours at the police station before being dropped back. She hasn’t been charged of course, she won’t get any sort of record or anything even similar but she got a big shock and a good talking down and the Police said she seemed genuinely remorseful after a few hours in a cell. She came home and hasn’t tried to run away again but hasn’t spoken to me since (this was Friday) and has spent the weekend in her room.

Was IBU? Would you have done the same? I feel guilty but equally I feel I couldn’t let her do this without consequences as she’d have no deterrent not to do it again.

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ScrubTheDecks · 10/06/2018 15:35

Bloody hell, OP, you poor thing. Had you no idea whether she was alive or dead during those 4 days? No contact or clue at all?

My only reservation about letting the police take her away is that to her it looks like ‘the authorities ‘ dealing with her rather than you. All this business of her demanding a social worker, does she see a social worker ad being some mechanism for children being able to be more seperate from their parents? I think you need to look at bringing her closer, not calling on ‘the authorities’ to deal with her as an outsider from the family, iyswim.

I think involving Ss is fine, hopefully for advice, support, counselling, family therapy or whatever.

I am afraid grooming /CSE or a very precocious relationship with an older boyfriend crossed my mind too.

Until you know what is going on, understanding and listening is more important, far more important, than punishment. Boundaries are ok “can we speak to each other more politely / kindly please?” “I find it hard to discuss this while you are so rude so let’s wait til later” .

Maybe write a reflective diary of your feelings and terror from when she was missing. And include a declaration of unconditional love and support for her. Let her read it.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 10/06/2018 15:36

I also hate to say this but with her personality and behaviour changing so rapidly. she's not using drugs is her

mirialis · 10/06/2018 15:36

Hmmm londoneast. My dad was so at his wits end when I rolled in late (and drunk and rude) he did give me a slap across the face. It didn't help either of us. Quite the opposite.

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 15:37

Thanks everyone.

I try to be as clued up and as aware as possible with Social Media. I am logged into her Instagram at all times and she’s doesn’t have FB. She has to use my password for new apps on iPhone or iPad and I regularly spot check and look on her iCloud. Of course she could have other accounts that I don’t know of. No devices upstairs after bedtime either.

When I said she has to be home at 7pm don’t mean she’s out everyday after school until 7pm. Usually home first then off to the park with a huge group (Summer) or we have people here or she will go to costa with friends etc. Often we will collect her or give her a lift so as much as possible we know who and where she is with. Twice a week she’s at music lessons or Cadets so then she’s there and back.

We totally went over her room whilst she was missing, every drawer, pocket, corner, box and scrap of paper was checked.
Police also had a good look too trying to see if there was any idea of where she was. I’ve put a password on the WiFi now just in case.

The places she’s stayed at those 4 nights aren’t totally clear yet. Two nights are accounted for and have been confirmed as correct/ two local teen girls who’s parents allowed to run away 13 year olds that they’ve met before to sleep overnight on a school night and didn’t think to inform SS or parents or school or Police. Unbelieveable!

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 10/06/2018 15:39

I know I'd have got hiding if I looked at my mum sideways. Let alone if i ran away and put her and my dad through all that trauma.
However back then smacking was all people knew. We've moved on from that form of discipline now

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 15:41

LondonEast.

I’m not going to slap my 13 year old. Firstly I don’t agree with physically hurting a child to frighten them into compliance and secondly she’s recently been assaulted in a similar way by another teenager and it would be the most unhelpful thing ever right now. I’ve never hit her before and never will.

And no. She doesn’t have her Father around to help or talk to unfortunately.

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DistanceCall · 10/06/2018 15:41

I would find a good therapist so she can have someone to talk to, and possibly also have family therapy. Something has obviously happened here.

Witchend · 10/06/2018 15:42

OP good. Sorry if I sounded pressing, but when doing safeguarding it was really hammered in that the children often don't apparently want help while inside are screaming for help.

I hope the police speak to the other parents.

OverwhelmedAndConfused200 · 10/06/2018 15:42

I really feel.for you OP. If it helps any, with help and support I managed to get past it and go back to the self I was before it all.

I now have a lovely bond with my parents again and feel no resentment, only guilt for how my actions caused them to have to act for my own safety.

Sounds like you're doing everything right, you're being firm and supportive.

Continue showing her love and support as you seem to be doing and she will come back to you eventually.

The under 18 mental health isn't all that great, or wasn't back when I was in it. It took my parents a lot of fighting to finally get decent support. Poor things were left constantly pulling their hair out in frustration and eventually went private.

I had a mix of individual therapy and we done family therapy. It saved us all individually and as a family.

Remember to also look after yourself through all of this. You're going through a rough time too! It will no doubt take a strain on you. So make sure you have your own support network as well.

I wish you all the best. You sound like you're doing all the right things for her.

Chances are despite how she's acting right now, she needs you more than ever.

hopelessandhopeful · 10/06/2018 15:45

I know its not a popular opinion on here but the cure for some kids is to give them a good slap.
And i think shes one of those kids.

As someone who got a 'good slap' on a regular occasion, I can assure you it only intensified the feelings of anger, not put them at bay. Funny that...

Huskylover1 · 10/06/2018 15:46

You 100% did the right thing.

OverwhelmedAndConfused200 · 10/06/2018 15:47

Agreed hopeless. Any signs of aggression just creates more tension and more feelings of hurt for the child.

Like for like doesn't help anyone and just causes more problems and more distance

furandchandeliers · 10/06/2018 15:49

Sounds like she's been taking drugs to me op, the sudden personality change and behaviour Sad I've been in her shoes and it doesn't matter how much of a nice girl she is she could be easily influenced and this friend she has sounds like bad news.

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 15:53

I’ve just ordered “how to talk so teens listen and listen so teens talk” and also “get out of my life but first take me and Alex to town” (which sounds very interesting).

Witchend. I totally appreciate what you’re saying and I’m definitely keeping an open mind. Police said the other parents didn’t do anything wrong legally so wouldn’t speak to them. I went round and had a chat with one and she seemed lovely but didn’t “get” the issue but at least I know where to start if she does go missing again.

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lettingthedaysgoby · 10/06/2018 15:55

Several people have mentioned grooming & CSE but there is another type of grooming that's rife , particularly in the suburbs, and that's recruiting for County Lines. OP says they are in a nice area on the edge of a more run-down one, if there are gangs active (and there will be) they will be trying to recruit vulnerable young teens to act as drug couriers. See www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41720980

RainbowGlitterFairy · 10/06/2018 15:58

Have you asked her school for support? I would ask to speak to her form tutor tomorrow and see if this change has been noticed at school too.

I acted very similarly at her age and my parents threatened to call the police regularly but never did, so I knew I could keep pushing it, I got myself to a point that I couldn't find a way to back down and I had convinced myself that no one actually cared anyway. Mum would shout, she'd hit me, she'd take my phone off me but she wouldn't get me the help I needed because it meant admitting she couldn't handle me, this went on for years. As much as your DD is probably acting like she hates you right now, and shes probably pretty pissed off with you, but you have done the right thing in the long run Flowers

Witchend · 10/06/2018 16:01

OP thanks. I didn't want to step on your toes.

Hope all gets smoothed over and sorted quickly Flowers

AsleepAllDay · 10/06/2018 16:05

I don't think this has been mentioned but could MH issues be part of it? Looking back mine really surfaced in my later teens and I did not have a way to handle it or realise it was happening. I don't want to worry you but some conditions develop faster in that time period as well - anxiety and depression are just the start of it & the trashing sounds like it could be symptomatic of something bigger. But you know her wider pattern of behaviour and if she is acting up/rebelling or has also had changes in moods or habits that could be indicative of more than substance use or trauma

celticmissey · 10/06/2018 16:06

I really feel for you. You will never know who she was with, where she went or slept for those four days she was with this girl.You also don't know whether or not she was introduced to drugs of some kind. The fact that this girl has a social worker indicates that things are not good in this girl's life. You did the right thing with the police - she needs to know there is a boundary, go beyond it and there are consequences. Have you spoken to her about having no more contact with this girl. I would be careful about keeping phones etc away from her for too long - it could backfire and she could just revert to using other friends phones where you would be totally in the dark. How about making sure she deletes this girl's contact details from her phone and you check what's on it before you let her have it back for maybe an hour or two over the coming days.You could tell her that for a period you have the right to check her phone etc from time to time until she builds up your trust again. Does she have any other friends she could do more with socially? Does she have any counsellors at school she could chat things over with? This girl must have had a pretty strong hold over your dd for her to be persuaded to stay away for so long.....

Godowneasy · 10/06/2018 16:10

I think that something is troubling her and I would guess that the answer is in the missing 4 days.

I wouldn't assume that she was necessarily safe whilst at the other parents home- they could be very unsavoury and be into taking pornographic photos/ videos etc for example or be sexual abusers themselves. Who else was in the house? Could your DD think she may be pregnant?

The other issue, and I suspect the main one, is where was she the other two nights? I think you need to draw this out of her in huge detail, making her account for minute by minute and hour by hour, and then collaborate her story if at all possible. See if she sticks to the same story, or whether you can catch her out at all. Keep going back and asking more questions about it. Discuss with the police if possible.

Re social media, a lot of young people use snapchat to chat online as it disappears instantly, so check whether she has this app.

You sound like a good parent op who did the most sensible thing you could in all the circumstances. I hope things settle down for you both soon, especially as the long school holidays are coming up soon- it's a time when young teenagers are usually given a bit more freedom than usual. You may want to restrict her time out of the house more than you would have, if this hadn't occurred.

CiderwithBuda · 10/06/2018 16:10

Such a sudden drastic change would set huge alarm bells ringing for me in relation to abuse or grooming or drugs. I know you say you’ve checked her social media but if she uses Snapchat I think the messages disappear. And I think there are apps that seem very innocuous to most but can be very sinister.

Pumpkintopf · 10/06/2018 16:12

You've done the right thing.

What's the ongoing plan aside from SW - what's your plan for school involvement and do they have pastoral care who could help?

Bluelonerose · 10/06/2018 16:13

Op I've only read your opening post I have no experience but yes I think you did the right thing. Flowers

MrsJonSno · 10/06/2018 16:13

Yes we are on the edge of Surrey so we live in a lovely place but due to our postcode being two doors the wrong way we have to deal with the services of the awful place nearby if that’s makes sense. Yes there are gangs and I will read up about the county lines grooming suggested, thank you!

Rainbow. I do see your mum’s point of view and why she struggled with it. I am horrified about what’s happened and ashamed that I’ve had to ask for help from SS and feel sick at the thought of this meeting and being judged and assessed as a parent :( But I’ve had to for her so it is what it is.

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Witchend · 10/06/2018 16:22

Please don't feel ashamed and judged.

It's something that can happen to any of us with teenagers and if she is being groomed you need professional help in. You're doing the right thing rather than thinking you can deal with it.
As a parent you have one experience to get this sort of thing right. SS etc have experience of many children.

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