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AIBU because of DD's epilepsy, or is DH?

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rosesandflowers · 05/06/2018 19:02

My DD is 16 so writing exams.

The background to this is very long, so apologies. Essentially, last year she broke down the night before a holiday in France. She told us that she was extremely paranoid – (e.g. if I nipped out to the corner shop for something, she’d start imagining I was hit by a car) and that she had dreams where a new DD came, exactly like her so we didn’t know the difference, and just take her place in home and school, only she was still alive so nobody could see her, and then she went through life being unnoticed and having no human contact or conversations and watching the replica of herself be happy. She also said she was constantly obsessing over mildly embarrassing moments and if she had said something wrong or upset someone.
She told us that her hands were constantly shaking, sometimes she’d lose control over her legs and that she was completely blanking out of lessons and conversations.

DD is very secretive about her emotions and problems due to a complex episode of bullying from child (and child’s parent) in primary school. We’ve been trying to work on this and she was getting so much better but the fact that she hid this from us (successfully) was a clear reminder that she hadn’t completely gone from it. She was attributing knocking things over, spilling drinks, banging into things – all caused by the loss of control in her limbs – to clumsiness when seen and cleaning up messes, even replacing broken things with her own money, when they weren’t.
DH and I thought this was anxiety, booked an appointment with the GP and took her on the holiday. She was happy all the way through. Then on the second day before we were due home, she had a seizure. This had never happened before. She ended up diagnosed with epilepsy. I am still so guilty we didn’t think further about the symptoms.

The medication made her depressed and listless. She was completely unmotivated and devoid of energy. It lowered her Vitamin D levels so she was constantly ill and in pain. She was still having absences (when her brain shuts completely down to her surroundings) very frequently – what she called “blanking out” before. She was banned from cooking and so tired and depressed that she couldn’t really do any chores. She got better and did a bit the two weeks before school started, but school was so draining for her she usually would come home and sleep straight away. (Y11 – DD refused to miss more schooltime than “necessary.”)

Now she’s much better, energetic and like our old DD again. My DH told her yesterday she should cook for the family tomorrow and on Friday. She was flabbergasted, as she’s doing her GCSE’s right now and they’ll be over by the end of June, and thinks that chores should start up again then. DH thinks she should do as she’s told. He looked for me to back him up; I requested DD go and get started on revision, and told him I thought he was being unreasonable. He’s furious with me.

I think we should wait until after her GCSE’s, and that him wanting her to do chores – so desperately – is a way of him coping with all the sickness she’s been through; that he’s so overjoyed that she’s “back to normal” that he’s trying to make it so in every way possible.
He thinks I’m overanalysing his behaviour in order to excuse the fact that I’m pandering to her due to her having a difficult time of it recently.

AIBU, or is he?

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Andro · 06/06/2018 13:45

Make sure he faces up to how patronising and belittling his text was, try to get to the bottom of his (frankly) odd decision to add chores/more pressure to your DD when she's already under pressure - I'd be interested in why he thought the timing was right!

ReservoirDogs · 06/06/2018 14:00

Gifts for you or dd or both?

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 14:02

Gifts for you or dd or both?
Me. I think he's getting dressed now so will be out to lunch soon.

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thetemptationofchocolate · 06/06/2018 14:05

Yes, I'd be asking why he felt that right now, in the middle of a very stressful time for your DD, he felt that it was right to add more stress to her life.
I'd also be asking why he felt it necessary to make unilateral decisions - what happened to being a team?

PilarTernera · 06/06/2018 14:07

No child should be cooking during her exam period through coercion

This is very true, but I would take it even further. With older teenagers, "she should do as she’s told" is not a viable strategy. She is almost an adult and beginning to treat her like one will get you better results. It will also be better preparation for adult life.

If chores are a good idea, I would sit down with dd (after she finishes her exams, of course) have an adult discussion and agree what is to be done. She will be more likely to follow through with it if it's something she has agreed.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 14:18

Okay we're on our way to lunch.
Was being very sugary sweet when he came but after my less than impressed reaction he's gone quiet.

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Nikephorus · 06/06/2018 14:26

Stick with less than impressed but incorporate some 'let's have a sensible conversation and move forward'.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 16:07

We had a light lunch in a cafe not too far from home. And the argument has devolved into something larger. Not sure if I should make a new thread as this isn't really about DD anymore.

So the new question is this: AIBU to not be satisfied and think he's still trying to manipulate me?

DH was very complimentary on my clothes/hair etc. at the beginning Hmm Thanked him but swiftly moved on.

He admitted he might have control issues pretty early on. He says that they were probably what drove him to attempt to manipulate me. Here he was still being all charming so he said he was stupid to even try and I'm far too clever to fall for it.

I told him that it wasn't acceptable. He argued that it wasn't OK to belittle me the way he did, but his control issues are "fine" and "that's what keeps him on top" and why I get "nice things" like the PJ's. (I had a feeling that they would be thrown back in my face.)

I said (immaturely, maybe) that he can't buy my silence with pyjamas.

He got exasperated and said that I like being spoilt and having him in control however much I push against it Shock, that perhaps he was BU about DD but someone has to balance out all of my "free love shit."

At that point I was fuming and he could see so and backtracked. He said he would apologise to DD and hoped I'd "forgive his language" and he shouldn't have said it. But he also added that there was a power dynamic in our relationship as I am just genuinely a more loving person than he is and he needs to rein me in, and that he can be too authoritarian (like yesterday) and then I need to counterbalance him.

At the time I was still a little Shock to say anything. He asked me if I was still unhappy and I said I didn't know and that we should resume the conversation later.

Told him I had work to do when we got home. He smiled, seems to have think it's all resolved. The more I think about it the more uneasy and dissatisfied I am.

AIBU?

He did apologise to DD though.

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0ccamsRazor · 06/06/2018 16:16

The more I think about it the more uneasy and dissatisfied I am.

Op he really is very manipulative isn't he?

He sees himself as your superior.

He sees himself as your lord and master

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 16:20

He sees himself as your lord and master

I hate to think this but now I'm worrying that there really is a power dynamic and I've been stupid enough to ignore it all these years.

Should I make another thread for help? I feel like I'm over analysing him and the relationship now - and then I think that that's exactly what he told me yesterday!

Ugh.

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PilarTernera · 06/06/2018 16:29

AIBU to not be satisfied and think he's still trying to manipulate me?

YANBU he is.

JamPasty · 06/06/2018 16:34

Fecking weird!! Definitely start a thread for all this

FaithEverPresent · 06/06/2018 16:39

Well your text message was well-worded but thins have moved on.

The bit that would really get my goat is the whole ‘you need to be reigned in’. WTF?! It actually sounds like he never really changed from the superior, patronising man he was when you first met, he’s just been hiding it! Not only that, but he thinks he should control you and that you like being controlled!

I’d be thinking very seriously about how you move forward from this.

Nottheduchessofcambridge · 06/06/2018 16:43

Don’t know if someone has already mentioned this OP but have you heard of NEAD? Non Epileptic attack Disorder? It often gets mistaken for epilepsy but is brought on through stress, anxiety, depression, trauma, PTSD. Etc. I got diagnosed this year and mine was due to my dad going through Cancer treatment. Have a google and see if it fits your daughters symptoms.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 16:45

I haven't heard of NEAD - will have a look.

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Nikephorus · 06/06/2018 16:58

Maybe he's just badly wording the fact that you have different personalities and so balance each other out well? He recognises that he puts his foot down too much but figures that it's balanced by you being more emotionally-driven and vice versa. It's not a bad thing at all - between you all the bases are covered. He just needs to word it better!! He's apologised to both of you so he recognises he's wrong, he just doesn't know when to stop trying to explain and just shut up (I do that!). I'd leave it be for now, particularly given your daughter's exams and all. See how it goes.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 17:07

Maybe he's just badly wording the fact that you have different personalities and so balance each other out well? He recognises that he puts his foot down too much but figures that it's balanced by you being more emotionally-driven and vice versa.

I did think this - but honestly it's not really like him to badly word things. I don't know if this makes me sound insane but I feel like everything he says is thought about and planned.

I agree that I am more loving than he is and he balances me out, as I balance out him. But the more I think about it the more manipulative the whole convo seems...

I always thought we had a pretty equal partnership but now I'm reevaluating. When he burst out it almost felt like he was talking to me honestly.

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Andro · 06/06/2018 17:52

It's almost as though he sees your marriage as having a weird type of D/s dynamic but without the structure - he certainly seems to think that there has been a power exchange (and without you actually agreeing to something that it's just all kinds of wrong). Unless you agreed that he would be 'in charge', he cannot reasonably suggest that you want to be under his control.

Personalities within a marriage often complement each other and balance each other out, but he doesn't have a right to essentially reprimand you for not agreeing or going along with him. You sent your DD out of the room before talking to him, that was the right thing to do, his behaviour smacks of entitled nonsense and I'm rapidly losing empathy for him.

Quartz2208 · 06/06/2018 17:59

He sounds very manipulative and trying to put you in your place

Yes I think some soul searching maybe required everything he says makes for uneasy reading.

ToffeeUp · 06/06/2018 18:25

Agree with pp, do some soul searching as it makes uneasy reading. Earlier in the thread I was thinking that you were pandering to his ego but if that works for you that was fine. Then you mentioned the presents, which to me are more presents my teenage daughter would buy for her friends, combine that with the way he adresses you in the text and it comes across as very patronising, to keep the 'little lady' in her place.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 18:44

Then you mentioned the presents, which to me are more presents my teenage daughter would buy for her friends

Oh God, are they?
He buys me presents like this fairly frequently. I thought it was the norm.
Books are mainly because I love them; I get that not everybody would be bought books. But the flowers and the PJ's - isn't that pretty normal presents-wise?

It's almost as though he sees your marriage as having a weird type of D/s dynamic
He is into that Hmm But I never saw it leaking into the actual relationship outside of the bedroom.

You sent your DD out of the room before talking to him, that was the right thing to do, his behaviour smacks of entitled nonsense and I'm rapidly losing empathy for him.
I definitely feel that I wouldn't like to undermine him in front of our children. I'm not sure he'd do the same; it's happened before that he'll openly disagree/disregard things I say to one of my DD's or DS. But after I spoke to him about it he stopped.

I'm very unsure about whether this is becoming unhealthy but one thing I'm sure of is that I do love this man.
So I'm going to try to get it clear about what exactly is making me uneasy and approach him frankly about it.

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Maldives1986 · 06/06/2018 18:49

Stress is a known contributing factor to worsening epilepsy. Piling more pressure on your daughter to "perform" on top of an already stressful time is unreasonable in my opinion. However as a compromise maybe suggest that she only completes some chores on a weekend instead of weekdays when she will have had a busy day at school

ToffeeUp · 06/06/2018 18:54

It was more the combination of the princess, sweetheart and the pyjama's. I don't know, it just felt weird. I guessed you like books, so those and flowers are not that strange, but in this situation it all seems to add up to him treating you like a child.
I don't know how to explain properly, so I hope it makes some kind of sense.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 19:01

I don't know how to explain properly, so I hope it makes some kind of sense.

Oh no - now I see what you mean.
Altogether they do give a kind of infantilising vibe, don't they?

They were quite "adult" pyjamas - not the sort a teenager would wear I don't think.

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HollowTalk · 06/06/2018 19:03

God. I wouldn't be happy with this at all!

I'd be tempted to say, "Look, you were a massive twat as a teenager, and that was when you were fit and healthy. Our daughter has come through a really rough time and wants to focus on her work. You know, that work that you were given time to do yourself. And here you are being a massive twat again, both to her and to me. I avoided you then when you were being a twat and that's what I want to do now."