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AIBU because of DD's epilepsy, or is DH?

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rosesandflowers · 05/06/2018 19:02

My DD is 16 so writing exams.

The background to this is very long, so apologies. Essentially, last year she broke down the night before a holiday in France. She told us that she was extremely paranoid – (e.g. if I nipped out to the corner shop for something, she’d start imagining I was hit by a car) and that she had dreams where a new DD came, exactly like her so we didn’t know the difference, and just take her place in home and school, only she was still alive so nobody could see her, and then she went through life being unnoticed and having no human contact or conversations and watching the replica of herself be happy. She also said she was constantly obsessing over mildly embarrassing moments and if she had said something wrong or upset someone.
She told us that her hands were constantly shaking, sometimes she’d lose control over her legs and that she was completely blanking out of lessons and conversations.

DD is very secretive about her emotions and problems due to a complex episode of bullying from child (and child’s parent) in primary school. We’ve been trying to work on this and she was getting so much better but the fact that she hid this from us (successfully) was a clear reminder that she hadn’t completely gone from it. She was attributing knocking things over, spilling drinks, banging into things – all caused by the loss of control in her limbs – to clumsiness when seen and cleaning up messes, even replacing broken things with her own money, when they weren’t.
DH and I thought this was anxiety, booked an appointment with the GP and took her on the holiday. She was happy all the way through. Then on the second day before we were due home, she had a seizure. This had never happened before. She ended up diagnosed with epilepsy. I am still so guilty we didn’t think further about the symptoms.

The medication made her depressed and listless. She was completely unmotivated and devoid of energy. It lowered her Vitamin D levels so she was constantly ill and in pain. She was still having absences (when her brain shuts completely down to her surroundings) very frequently – what she called “blanking out” before. She was banned from cooking and so tired and depressed that she couldn’t really do any chores. She got better and did a bit the two weeks before school started, but school was so draining for her she usually would come home and sleep straight away. (Y11 – DD refused to miss more schooltime than “necessary.”)

Now she’s much better, energetic and like our old DD again. My DH told her yesterday she should cook for the family tomorrow and on Friday. She was flabbergasted, as she’s doing her GCSE’s right now and they’ll be over by the end of June, and thinks that chores should start up again then. DH thinks she should do as she’s told. He looked for me to back him up; I requested DD go and get started on revision, and told him I thought he was being unreasonable. He’s furious with me.

I think we should wait until after her GCSE’s, and that him wanting her to do chores – so desperately – is a way of him coping with all the sickness she’s been through; that he’s so overjoyed that she’s “back to normal” that he’s trying to make it so in every way possible.
He thinks I’m overanalysing his behaviour in order to excuse the fact that I’m pandering to her due to her having a difficult time of it recently.

AIBU, or is he?

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rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 11:20

That isn't teamwork and would feel very disrespectful to me...
I was shocked. We always discuss things.

At best he has a simplistic take on the impact of your Dd's epilepsy on all of you,that it is in the past and needs no further consideration.
I think deep down he knows what it means. But he's so desperate for it to need no further consideration that he's trying to make it so.

You do need to discuss this without him storming off.
I plan to make it clear in the text that I want this discussed when he gets home. Like adults - and with him treating me like an adult. "Princess" - FFS!
I'll bet he'll turn up with a load of gifts too.

You are not the one who got emotional or who he put pressure on
Of course - I'll make this clear. Thanks for the tip. I really have no experience with dealing with this from a relationship angle.

When I met him and he was like this I wasn't married to him! So flipping him off was fine.

Now I actually need to work through this without strangling him.

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campion · 06/06/2018 11:24

Having now read his text you definitely need that discussion. A backhanded apology like that wouldn't cut it with me.

The 'emotional' bit is him trying to assert his (perceived) superiority ie you can't help yourself as your poor female brain just over reacts. Maybe he needs to understand what emotions actually are and why he needs to be employing some measured ones himself.

I'd keep the text short along the lines of 'we need a proper discussion where my views are listened to and respected. Meanwhile,please don't patronise me.'

Does he normally call you Princess and Sweetheart?

Snowysky20009 · 06/06/2018 11:30

Dp
Thanks for your text.
I just want to clarify, that my emotions are in check, however I do have concerns about yours.
Right now you are acting like a first class Knob, and I don't say that lightly.
Dd is doing her GCSE's, so needs time off regardless of the fact that she has been ill. All kids do at this time of their school life. But adding in her illness, do you really think it's a good idea to put her under more stress, knowing what we know? Do you really want 2 steps forward and 4 steps back?
Really- think about it.
So yes, we will talk this evening. We will talk about how much of a tit you are, and what you can do to support our dd better in future.
Love Princess

Feel free to substitute knob, tit for twat, idiot etc.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 11:38

He used to call me princess – mockingly – when we were at uni. I’ve always dressed very “femininely” and he thought that it was fitting. He also thought I was “bratty” back in those days because I was studying English Lit and wanted to go into a career I’d enjoy rather than something high-paying. Essentially he thought I was entitled. I thought he was because he was spoilt which wasn’t helped by going to private school for all of his life, and wouldn’t stop asking me out. According to him I also “flounced off” –away from the condescending weirdo and all of his irritating Eton friends, when he kept asking me out while I was trying to work--

Now if he calls me princess it’s still in a mocking kind of way, but not in the sense that it was at uni (because I would not stand for that.) I’ll ask him to get something - “OK, princess”, kind of teasingly. I don’t mind that. DD will call him "His Majesty" if he asks her to take her plate out etc. It's a joke.

This is the first time he’s used it in this context and I think it’s to infantilise me, which is not on.

He occasionally calls me sweetheart, but offhandedly.

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OurMiracle1106 · 06/06/2018 11:38

As an epileptic stress really affects my seizures. Adding extra stress ahead of exams etc is probably not going to be helpful so I would say leave chores until after exams.

Exams in themselves may cause issues with your DDs seizures and I’ve known parents to skip chores during exam periods to ease stress on kids without medical issues.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 11:44

A backhanded apology like that wouldn't cut it with me.
I don't even he thinks this kind of "apology" would work. I don't know what he's thinking.

The 'emotional' bit is him trying to assert his (perceived) superiority ie you can't help yourself as your poor female brain just over reacts.
He was definitely misogynistic in the past. That changed completely over the years; it was something I just would not compromise over and he learnt.
It just sounds like a lack of respect for me in this text message, which is also completely unacceptable.

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mostdays · 06/06/2018 11:48

What Snowysky20009 said, although with more swearing.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 11:57

See, if it comes across as me being insulting or angry, he'll utilize that. It'll be "I know you're feeling overwhelmed, but you just need to calm down and have a rest for today …" etc. etc. Angry

I think this works quite well as a draft message but want a general consensus before I send!

Hi DH,
I understand you were angry with me and not [DD], but ultimately this is about her. No child should be cooking during her exam period through coercion, particularly not one who is recovering from a serious condition that can be brought on by stress or fatigue.
This has been difficult for all the family, including you, so I suggest you perhaps examine the way you've been coping. When you get back from work we need to discuss what we're going to do about DD - as a partnership.
We'll talk about the text message as well. I don't know what you thought it would come across like, but it sounded like a patronising transparent attempt at manipulation. Not happy.
rosesandflowers

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Nikephorus · 06/06/2018 12:07

I think that's a very good reply - not being too accusatory but putting over that you're pissed off, making it clear that you're working as team. The only thing I'd change is putting 'I suggest perhaps you examine' as that might put his back up unnecessarily, maybe go with 'I'm concerned that maybe you're not coping with this as much as I'd thought as we're normally on the same page' or something better than that. You need him to look at how he's handling it but I'm thinking that using 'suggest' is going to have the opposite effect if you get my drift? The end bit is spot on.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 12:12

The only thing I'd change is putting 'I suggest perhaps you examine' as that might put his back up unnecessarily, maybe go with 'I'm concerned that maybe you're not coping with this as much as I'd thought as we're normally on the same page' or something better than that.

Thank you for this suggestion. I'm pretty pissed off so might subconsciously be trying to irritate him back!

Maybe something like; I think we need to talk about how both of us are coping with this. We're usually on the same page so we need to look at what's happened and start discussing things between us again.

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Nikephorus · 06/06/2018 12:13

Nailed it! If he's back on the same page as you, then you can tell him what a knob he's been and he might take it on board Grin

RB68 · 06/06/2018 12:17

I think the big thing here is that by introducing chores at this point you run a very high risk of her relapsing - surely you need to maintain status quo till end of exams - maybe the way forward is to agree what she should be doing at end of exams. So maybe getting stuck in doing the washing and prepping tea for when everyone home to ease the burden on the workers. I would also encourage her to get a bit of part time work to give her some independence from parents and also help her demo she is not a layabout type of thing

I think forcing the issue here could backfire enormously if she has a relapse right now

OverTheHedgeHammy · 06/06/2018 12:18

Good text. More mature than I would have been. I was thinking more along the lines of You patronizing twat! The only person overemotional yesterday was you. Your expectation that I would back you up when you were so out of order and then stropping off like a teenager when I refused to was completely out of order.

CarefullyDrawnMap · 06/06/2018 12:18

Well, I think he's the one who's in the wrong and behaving like an arsehole, so I'd just be assertive about it, don't twist yourself in knots to share the blame.

CarefullyDrawnMap · 06/06/2018 12:20

I suppose it depends how much energy you've got to soft soap his ridiculousness. I think his text was very manipulative.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 12:24

I think his text was very manipulative.
Oh it was. I doubt it will stop there either. I bet he'll turn up with an aching back after a stressful work experience, laden with expensive gifts.
I don't plan on allowing him to pin any of this on me at all.

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Weezol · 06/06/2018 12:24

It sounds as if he has always been misogynistic, learned to hide it and the mask has slipped.

How often does he cook?

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 12:27

You patronizing twat! The only person overemotional yesterday was you. Your expectation that I would back you up when you were so out of order and then stropping off like a teenager when I refused to was completely out of order.

Sounds exactly like what I would have written had I not forcibly restrained myself from writing back as soon as I saw it Grin

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rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 12:31

How often does he cook?

Like everything, he's very very good at it.
He enjoys cooking and usually cooks breakfast & lunch on weekends, often dinner on Saturday. Sunday he goes in evenings. Wednesdays we usually go out for lunch together and he cooks dinner - it's his part time day. Rest of the week he usually gets lunch out somewhere near his work and I cook dinner. Breakfast he has on the go if I don't make him any.

He's super busy with work and I work from home with a much more flexible job so I think that's fair enough.

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rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 12:35

But what he's actually doing is expecting her to run before she can walk.

Oh, this is exactly it @Lizzie48
Might use that line on DH Grin

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mostdays · 06/06/2018 12:38

I would find it quite stressful to have to be so very careful about wording and how I addressed this with him, tbh. This is not me saying you do your relationship wrong- god knows mine could never be held up as a shining example of marital communication and harmony!- just that when DH and I disagree, if I couldn't be straighforward about what had pissed me off that would make things even worse.

MatildaTheCat · 06/06/2018 12:46

He’s U of course. Suggest she starts with unloading the dishwasher and tasks that take very little time. Even during exams this is ok. Then discuss what she would enjoy cooking when the exams are done and let him demonstrate some of his excellent skills in the kitchen.

You text is great.

rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 13:00

I would find it quite stressful to have to be so very careful about wording and how I addressed this with him, tbh.

He's a PPE student and I did English Lit - wording is kind of our bread and butter!
Generally I'm not so overly considerate but as he's being so strange ATM I'm trying to be gentle.

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rosesandflowers · 06/06/2018 13:40

DH has returned - with some Lipsy London pyjamas, a bunch of flowers and some books.

Of course.

He asked if I wanted to eat out, I said yes so he's upstairs showering.
Any last minute advice?

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Quartz2208 · 06/06/2018 13:41

Don’t be fooled by this at all you called it for what it is