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HELP, friend is suffocating me!!

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fluffy71 · 05/06/2018 12:20

Hi there,
Please bear with me, but I really need some advice on this needy friend. We have known each other for 35 years since junior school. Through that time our friendship has ebbed and flowed, sometimes not seeing each other all that often but we've kept in touch as we have a group of mutual friends.

There have been times when our friendship has been more frenemy than friend. She's always considered me her best friend. Though I do find her to be quite competitive and in our younger years she would often say jokey put downs about my body shape or weight that would leave me seething, despite the fact that she has always struggled with her weight and I never have. However she does have her good points, she has a kind nature with my children and is incredibly generous.

I didn't see a lot of her for many years as I was having babies and spending time with other friends whilst she was developing her career.

Once my kids got older she seemed much more interested in meeting up and mellowed somewhat, so we would see each other occasionally whilst she spoke about the latest man she liked and I listened. I found her quite immature t.b.h as she always had a crush but never seemed to do anything about it. However, it was fine to listen to in short bursts. She is also incredibly late to anything we organise as a group or one to one. I found this irritating but it was easy to limit my contact with her. She has this ditzy, flaky persona that our friendship group tolerates.

However, about 8 years ago, when we were in our late 30's she disclosed to me that she was desperately unhappy and wanted to settle down with kids. I was shocked that she was so candid as she is a very private person, but I really felt for her and our friendship entered a closer stage. From then on she has disclosed so much private stuff to me, I have felt real empathy for her but is been quite overwhelming at times. I have gently suggested she tries counselling but she said she has friends to talk to so she doesn't need a counsellor!! That'll be me then!

Its been difficult to stem the tide once she realised she could confide in me, asking advice all the time on men issues or her diet or family issues. One guy she had a crush on for 7 years and never got any where with. She has never had a boyfriend, just the odd date.

For the last 5 years, she has invited herself over to my house ALL the time, holidays, weekends etc and my husband and children would have to make themselves scarce whilst she went on and on about her latest worry. It's frustrating as she never listens to advice and it was causing a strain with my husband and eating into family time. I feel like I am constantly apologising for missing calls or making excuses for not having her over. I haven't had her round my house for 12 months as she invited herself over on a bank holiday to offload and then proceeded to be 4 hours late! I didn't even want her round that day! I have challenged her over her lateness in the past but it just escalated into a row.

Two years ago she decided to try IVF with donor sperm. I have been totally supportive during her 7 attempts. I have collected her from the clinic on a number of occasions and listened to her for hours at a time when it hasn't worked. I am also unable to tell my husband that she is having treatment so have had to lie to him when driving the 120 mile round trip to the clinic. It is heartbreaking to see her go through this. I find it hard saying no to long phone calls whilst she is going through such a terrible time.

However, in the last 12 months I am finding it more difficult to be around her. I am the only person in our group of friends she has confided in. Despite the fact that she works in a different part of the country she continues to calls me all the time and still attempts to invite herself over. As I can't bear waiting in all day for her I try and placate her by meeting in a cafe near her home (she lives in my home town 30 miles away) She is always insanely late even though I tell her I have things to do after we meet. She never eats in public, she just sips hot water and seems to alternate between a very restrictive diet and then binging between treatments.

At Christmas I found myself pregnant (totally unplanned and went through turmoil about wether to continue with the pregnancy or not due to my age). It was a difficult time as my friend was also going through treatment at this time. She found out she was pregnant at Christmas and wanted to share her joyful news with me in person. I was delighted for her and provided emotional support over the phone but couldn't meet up whilst I was considering terminating a pregnancy.

Unfortunately she miscarried, and having had two myself I understand a little of her heartbreak. I felt awful at the unfairness of it all, how desperately she wanted a baby and here was I considering a termination.

I decided to continue with my pregnancy but waited until I was 15 weeks to tell her. I said I would totally understand if she didn't want to see me during my pregnancy. She was very upset when I told her but said she was happy for me. I know that this could not have been easy for her.

She's continued to continually call and text for support. She's also started saying bitchy comments about my pregnancy size. Though given what torment she is going through I can see why she is acting like this.

However I think I have now reached the end point with her. Recently one of the other girls in our friendship group organised a baby shower for me. I said to my friend that I would totally understand if she didn't want to go but she said no she would as she was in charge of buying a present. Anyway, its turned out she had a huge strop about buying baby clothes with the other girls (I totally understand why)and ended up buying her own present, but the others have no idea why! She turned up at the baby shower, looking really scruffy and did not speak one word all day and did not leave until I did. I know I might get flayed alive for this, but given all the support I've given her over the last X amount of years and that no one else knew she was going through IVF, the only person she was upsetting was me. I feel that as she decided to attend, she should have just got through the day. The rest of our friends were a bit puzzled by her behaviour but obviously I can't tell them the reason why. Since then she's been calling and inviting herself over as if nothing happened. I just can't stand it anymore!!!!!

I suppose the crux of it is that I feel she does't show me any respect but then expects me to be her personal shrink and I've had enough!

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LadyOdd · 05/06/2018 12:30

You are not her therapist! It was very kind of you to drive her to IVF and take her feelings into account (I did a similar thing I was pregnant and my friends recent operation meant she couldn’t have kids 😢)

You can either just tell her plainly that it is all too much but you still want to be a friend and your there for her but she needs professional help or slowly reduce contact not picking up calls etc.

The lateness might be due to her mental health this could very well improve with help, maybe invite her round when your free all day and doing house things?

And congratulations! 🎉🎈

Aprilshouldhavebeenmyname · 05/06/2018 12:36

I would suggest /provide details of some good therapists for her to seek help from. No shame in telling her your life is too chaotic at this time to be of use to her in the capacity she seeks.
She isn't showing to be a true friend to you op.

JamPasty · 05/06/2018 12:55

Crikey! For a start I would leave if she's not on time, and I also would not agree to not telling DH about the reason for the trips. She can't ask for your time and expect you to lie to your DH!

InkSnail · 05/06/2018 12:56

It sounds like your friend has a number of issues and is insecure to say the least. Suggesting counselling was the right thing to do. She replied that she "has friends to talk to", and yes, you've given her a lot of your time. However, as you've found, if her problems are complex/endless then no amount of support from you will be enough, and you will become resentful.

For both of your sakes, I think you should set some very firm boundaries. This isn't unkind, it is directing her towards the sort of help she really needs, as well as looking after yourself.

Tell her that you have X amount of time on X day when you can see her, but no more. Say that you cannot help her in the way she needs but would support her in going to the GP to be referred for counselling, or looking through the BACP website to find a recommended therapist.

She may be very nervous/embarrassed/worried about seeking professional help, so reassure her that it is not at all unusual and they will not judge her.

I hope things work out well for you and your friend FlowersBrew

InkSnail · 05/06/2018 12:58

I am also unable to tell my husband that she is having treatment so have had to lie to him when driving the 120 mile round trip to the clinic.

I think you should refuse to lie on your friend's behalf. You can say to your husband that you need to take a friend to a confidential appointment. There are ways of maintaining privacy.

Fflamingo · 05/06/2018 13:04

Phone or email and say you are finding your friendship with her too stressful and need a break from contact while you are pregnant.
You’re sorry but that’s how it is.

THE END
She needs to find someone else to harass -there is no good reason it can only be you .

SpandexTutu · 05/06/2018 13:56

I could have written your post - i was in an almost identical situation.
I ended up going NC because she was utterly self-absorbed and it became exhausting.

VogueVVague · 05/06/2018 13:59

Shes selfish. Its all about her needs.

fluffy71 · 05/06/2018 14:04

I know I am part of the problem as I really struggle with boundaries and am not good at confrontation.

The next time she calls I will take a deep breath, answer the phone and explain that I genuinely have loads on (my elderly father is ill and my teenager has a big operation coming up, plus an impending C Section of which is aware of) and not to be offended if she doesn't hear from me for a while, at least until I've had the baby in 7 weeks.

I don't think there is any point mentioning counselling again as she is quite stubborn and paranoid of anyone else finding out.

The thing is, since the baby shower, I just feel really, really angry and pissed off with her and her odd ball behaviour which seems to be getting worse and these feelings seem greater than any empathy I have at the moment.

I know she has treatment coming up next month and I know I will struggle not to acknowledge it by text to appear supportive incase she bombards me again. But then again, that is what putting boundaries in place is about isn't it?

Thank you all so much for your helpful replies. I'll let you know how I get on.

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bigKiteFlying · 05/06/2018 14:07

Crikey! For a start I would leave if she's not on time, and I also would not agree to not telling DH about the reason for the trips. She can't ask for your time and expect you to lie to your DH!

^^ This. Going forward I think you need better boundaries with her,

Sequencedress · 05/06/2018 14:20

'I know she has treatment coming up next month and I know I will struggle not to acknowledge it by text to appear supportive incase she bombards me again. But then again, that is what putting boundaries in place is about isn't it?'

You could text her to wish her well, then block her. I know it seems harsh, but it doesn't have to be for long - then you can show her you're thinking of her, but not get sucked in to the drama.
Once you're in a stronger place, you may choose to have very LC with her, and that's ok. Her mental health isn't more important than yours.
I've gone NC with a similarly needy friend, and it does feel crap, but it's not your job to fix her. Well done on the boundaries you're planning to set, and let the anger work in your favour - how dare she ruin things for you time and time again?
Frankly, you're about to have a small baby, and you don't need an adult sized one too, especially one who's not particularly pleasant to you.
Set the boundaries, and maintain them - just like we do with children.

Sequencedress · 05/06/2018 14:22

Oh, and give her 15 mins leeway when meeting up, then leave! Things happen, people get held up, but you're already meeting her 30 miles away! I would only agree to meet her if I had something on in the meeting place anyway, I wouldn't make her the reason I went there.

MrsPreston11 · 05/06/2018 14:27

You're too nice.

She's a drain on you. This isn't a friendship.

I'd just tell her you're done. And fuck that to even hinting you can't see her until the baby is 7 weeks. She'll hear that as "as soon as my baby is 7 weeks I'll be your lackey again"

fluffy71 · 05/06/2018 14:32

I definitely will not be collecting her from any treatments again and I did tell my husband the truth after I realised how weird it was all getting and she seemed to find it very amusing that I lied to him.

I think the more I talk about her, the more I am starting to dislike her.

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SpandexTutu · 05/06/2018 15:04

This thread has reminded me that my totally self absorbed friend asked me if I would to a speed dating event with her - when I was married! She was very put out when I said no. Grin Grin

TemptressofWaikiki · 05/06/2018 15:36

This might sound incredibly harsh but I am relieved that your friend has not succeeded with her pregnancy. I just would be so worried for any child that were to have her as a mother. I shudder at the burden of being the sole focus and the pressure of having to give your friend’s life a meaning. This is someone who apparently has never been able to have a normal relationship and I just would be concerned about her struggling with boundaries and how she would accept that this child is not an extension of herself.

In the bigger scope of things, her issues aren’t so massively huge that it warrants her abusing your friendship and using you as a personal emotional dumping ground. We all have a burden and hers is rather irrelevant by comparison of what you and many others face. Being late when she has commandeered your precious time is beyond selfish and arrogant. I don’t think you will be able to return to a less intrusive and less intense friendship, or that LC would work. You may have to cut all contact because you will have a lot to deal with in your own life. You need to put yourself first now with a new baby and other family commitments. Your friend is overwhelmingly selfish in her neediness. Someone else probably was performing your role before and I’m sure she will latch on to someone else. As an aside, I would personally tell any so-called friend to feck off if they insisted I lied to my DH. Not on!

Flaminglingos · 05/06/2018 15:41

Divert her number to voicemail and hide or block her posts on social media. She's an emotional vampire and she's sucking the life out if you.

TemptressofWaikiki · 05/06/2018 15:58

Currently, I have zero tolerance for emotional vampires. I have blocked and gone NC with a close friend last autumn for constantly dumping all her emotional crap on me. When I found out that she actually lied about all her ‘tragic’ circumstances, such as not being cruelly made homeless but sued for trashing and wrecking someone’s house who had kindly rented it to her at far below the market rent and about many other major things, I finally had enough. She was bombarding me with attention-seeking calls and messages while I spent hours going backwards and forwards to my sister’s hospice and then trying to work through the night to catch up with my work. The ex-friend’s behaviour did not even change around her death and while I was grieving. I sent her brutally frank email because I wanted to burn my bridges. She gone too far and I just did not want to allow her to creep back in my life. I felt instantly less stressed and a lot lighter. The difference of not having a total emotional leech sucking your last shred of positivity and strength out of you is amazing! I am now being shunned by a number of mutual acquaintances who undoubtedly were fed all manner of stories about how cruel I had been. But it pales into insignificance compared to the sense of lightness after being so burdened down with her never-ending attention seeking. I would not bother with asking for a temporary break but completely block her. But I am of course very biased due to own experiences. I half expect to read my ex friend’s version of this cruel friend who dumped her in her hour(s) of need on MN. Grin

thebear1 · 05/06/2018 16:11

What do you get from the friendship? It should go both ways and you support each other. It sounds like it has been a one way street for a long time. I think you could start by being less available, set limits on your time. Or may be tell her things need to change for the friendship to continue. Her response will tell you what you need to know.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 05/06/2018 16:16

She isn't being a very good friend. Relationships are a two-way thing.

She wants your help but she doesn't respect (or, seemingly, appreciate) your time and the effect it has on your family. She wants to meet up but instead of being grateful rocks up hours late. She gets you to lie to your OH then finds it amusing. She stropped about your baby shower and now she's making nasty comments about your pregnancy size.

She doesn't sound like much of a friend, but I can understand that you feel sorry for her (I would too) and you want to help. She's taking too much though and that's not fair, and it does sound like she needs some professional help. If she's not willing to do that you can't make up the shortfall.

If any discussion descends into a row could you write her an email? Saying that you have sympathy with her situation but it's causing you and your family problems, so she needs to be aware that you can't be around as much any more and have much less flexibility with time. You can understand why she is finding things difficult but maybe a counsellor might be useful [insert links/telephone numbers/recommendations]? If nothing else, it's all written down so she can't backtrack in the future or claim she didn't know where she stood.

InkSnail · 05/06/2018 17:24

Show her this thread? If you're not going to be friends any more you have nothing to lose.

RabbitsAreTasty · 05/06/2018 17:42

It is this fear of confrontation that has you in this shit situation. You mentioned that you told her off about being late and this ended up in a row as if that means you cannot tell her off.

When a person behaves badly it is OK for your subsequent conversation with them to leave them feeling bad. It is not just OK but is normal.

You are already making up reasons to avoid her feeling bad for behaving badly while simultaneously cutting her off for treating you badly. This is a recipe for feeling shit.

Either tell her straight that she pissed you off so much that you want no more to do with her for a few months (which is true) or hide under a bush making crap excuses to hide your true feelings.

You tell her you are pissed off and you are stepping away. She is a selfish messed up woman so she will kick off and try to make you feel shit. Block her. It will be good for your mental health.

Aeroflotgirl · 05/06/2018 17:57

Start putting yourself first and your family, start saying no, it is not conveniant. She sounds like a drain, takes takes, but does not give, I doubt if she would do the same if you needed help. If she asks what is wrong, tell her. You are not her therapist, as people have said.

fluffy71 · 05/06/2018 21:15

Thank you all for your constructive advice. Someone mentione

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fluffy71 · 05/06/2018 21:32

Sorry pressed Post by mistake. You've all sent really constructive advice and I'm really grateful for it. One of you mentioned your concern for any child she might have. I am.concerne

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