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HELP, friend is suffocating me!!

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fluffy71 · 05/06/2018 12:20

Hi there,
Please bear with me, but I really need some advice on this needy friend. We have known each other for 35 years since junior school. Through that time our friendship has ebbed and flowed, sometimes not seeing each other all that often but we've kept in touch as we have a group of mutual friends.

There have been times when our friendship has been more frenemy than friend. She's always considered me her best friend. Though I do find her to be quite competitive and in our younger years she would often say jokey put downs about my body shape or weight that would leave me seething, despite the fact that she has always struggled with her weight and I never have. However she does have her good points, she has a kind nature with my children and is incredibly generous.

I didn't see a lot of her for many years as I was having babies and spending time with other friends whilst she was developing her career.

Once my kids got older she seemed much more interested in meeting up and mellowed somewhat, so we would see each other occasionally whilst she spoke about the latest man she liked and I listened. I found her quite immature t.b.h as she always had a crush but never seemed to do anything about it. However, it was fine to listen to in short bursts. She is also incredibly late to anything we organise as a group or one to one. I found this irritating but it was easy to limit my contact with her. She has this ditzy, flaky persona that our friendship group tolerates.

However, about 8 years ago, when we were in our late 30's she disclosed to me that she was desperately unhappy and wanted to settle down with kids. I was shocked that she was so candid as she is a very private person, but I really felt for her and our friendship entered a closer stage. From then on she has disclosed so much private stuff to me, I have felt real empathy for her but is been quite overwhelming at times. I have gently suggested she tries counselling but she said she has friends to talk to so she doesn't need a counsellor!! That'll be me then!

Its been difficult to stem the tide once she realised she could confide in me, asking advice all the time on men issues or her diet or family issues. One guy she had a crush on for 7 years and never got any where with. She has never had a boyfriend, just the odd date.

For the last 5 years, she has invited herself over to my house ALL the time, holidays, weekends etc and my husband and children would have to make themselves scarce whilst she went on and on about her latest worry. It's frustrating as she never listens to advice and it was causing a strain with my husband and eating into family time. I feel like I am constantly apologising for missing calls or making excuses for not having her over. I haven't had her round my house for 12 months as she invited herself over on a bank holiday to offload and then proceeded to be 4 hours late! I didn't even want her round that day! I have challenged her over her lateness in the past but it just escalated into a row.

Two years ago she decided to try IVF with donor sperm. I have been totally supportive during her 7 attempts. I have collected her from the clinic on a number of occasions and listened to her for hours at a time when it hasn't worked. I am also unable to tell my husband that she is having treatment so have had to lie to him when driving the 120 mile round trip to the clinic. It is heartbreaking to see her go through this. I find it hard saying no to long phone calls whilst she is going through such a terrible time.

However, in the last 12 months I am finding it more difficult to be around her. I am the only person in our group of friends she has confided in. Despite the fact that she works in a different part of the country she continues to calls me all the time and still attempts to invite herself over. As I can't bear waiting in all day for her I try and placate her by meeting in a cafe near her home (she lives in my home town 30 miles away) She is always insanely late even though I tell her I have things to do after we meet. She never eats in public, she just sips hot water and seems to alternate between a very restrictive diet and then binging between treatments.

At Christmas I found myself pregnant (totally unplanned and went through turmoil about wether to continue with the pregnancy or not due to my age). It was a difficult time as my friend was also going through treatment at this time. She found out she was pregnant at Christmas and wanted to share her joyful news with me in person. I was delighted for her and provided emotional support over the phone but couldn't meet up whilst I was considering terminating a pregnancy.

Unfortunately she miscarried, and having had two myself I understand a little of her heartbreak. I felt awful at the unfairness of it all, how desperately she wanted a baby and here was I considering a termination.

I decided to continue with my pregnancy but waited until I was 15 weeks to tell her. I said I would totally understand if she didn't want to see me during my pregnancy. She was very upset when I told her but said she was happy for me. I know that this could not have been easy for her.

She's continued to continually call and text for support. She's also started saying bitchy comments about my pregnancy size. Though given what torment she is going through I can see why she is acting like this.

However I think I have now reached the end point with her. Recently one of the other girls in our friendship group organised a baby shower for me. I said to my friend that I would totally understand if she didn't want to go but she said no she would as she was in charge of buying a present. Anyway, its turned out she had a huge strop about buying baby clothes with the other girls (I totally understand why)and ended up buying her own present, but the others have no idea why! She turned up at the baby shower, looking really scruffy and did not speak one word all day and did not leave until I did. I know I might get flayed alive for this, but given all the support I've given her over the last X amount of years and that no one else knew she was going through IVF, the only person she was upsetting was me. I feel that as she decided to attend, she should have just got through the day. The rest of our friends were a bit puzzled by her behaviour but obviously I can't tell them the reason why. Since then she's been calling and inviting herself over as if nothing happened. I just can't stand it anymore!!!!!

I suppose the crux of it is that I feel she does't show me any respect but then expects me to be her personal shrink and I've had enough!

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fluffy71 · 25/06/2018 14:35

I texted back saying I am going to meet a mutual friend on Sat (of which she is choosing not to go) and then said after that I am in hibernation mode. Really hope this has got the message across....

She's just texted back and "I did not know about meeting up Sat (not sure why she say's this as is on wattsapp group)". "I can come to you any day and chill on the sofa and I'll bring lunch. I'll text you next week".
So I assume her job working away is finishing and she is not taking no for an answer.

I think the way forward is no response from now on as she is making me feel massively stressed. Thanks everyone for listening.

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sonjadog · 25/06/2018 14:37

She will have to take no for an answer if you keep saying no to her.

lineyturner · 25/06/2018 14:45

I think I'd say:

Look this is awkward, but at the moment I am not up to hosting. I sleep as/when, and I'm really not 100%. I'm not in a great place at the moment, and I really want to be left alone. I hope you understand.

fluffy71 · 25/06/2018 14:49

Actually thats a good idea. She said she'd text me next week. I'll respond then. Its made me more determined not to see her now as I don't like being bullied.

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FizzyGreenWater · 25/06/2018 15:01

She can manipulate all she likes.

She doesn't have a key to your house, so if you keep on saying no and/or simply not replying, she will not be coming over!

I think that now you're in the mindset of not giving a shit about upsetting her, it's much easier. Yes you can ignore. 'Oh sorry I didn't see last week's texts.' Who cares if she believes you? 'Sorry no I'm not up to it'. Who cares if she thinks you're avoiding her?

fluffy71 · 09/07/2018 12:14

Hi all, well I first wrote five weeks ago to get advice on how to have 7 weeks of peace pre baby from my so called "friend".

With 2 weeks to go I think I have finally managed it!!

Despite my text to say I wouldn't be seeing her pre baby, she contacted me again last week by phone and text to arrange to come over at the weekend. I told her AGAIN I wouldn't be seeing her before baby and not to be offended by that. Last week I was actually in hospital overnight with a pregnancy related issue. I thought this surely would be a good enough reason to get her off my back. She actually texted me 7 times and called twice in the 24 hours I was in hospital!!
I texted politely and said I was not taking calls and was very tired. I get a really horrible feeling she was desperate to know what was going on in the guise of "concern" when I get the feeling she wanted to hear bad news.
I ignored the text on Friday explaining that she was going calling to cheer me up and texted on Sat and said I was now at home, all well and would be in touch once had baby. She actually texted back and said she'd just driven back from where she was working (3 hours away) with a whole lot of cakes to drop into me, but not to worry she would find a home for them but would call Sunday! Oh, this rotten manipulative behaviour really turns my stomach and I did not respond and won't be now for a while. Even she wouldn't try and start a row on someone about to have a baby. Its made me see what an idiot I've been to put up with her nasty, manipulative behaviour and feel happy that with your help I've finally seen the light. Just wanted to give you all an update!! Moving forward I'll only see her in a group setting and will not respond to her if she tries to engage in a row. The guilt has gone!!

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CoatsDoRoam · 09/07/2018 15:18

I'm so angry on your behalf. Here's what I'd write:

I hope you're joking about the cakes etc. All my focus is on the pregnancy right now. I need to be selfish here and say again I cannot cope with their level of contact. Please understand I'm taking no pleasure from this message but I'll be in touch with you when I'm ready.

CoatsDoRoam · 09/07/2018 15:18

'This level of contact'

fluffy71 · 09/07/2018 16:14

CoatsDoRoam:
That sounds great and perhaps something I should have sent weeks ago. However, the shutters are down now. The scales have dropped from my eyes well and truly now. She's always put me down to make herself feel better but this is a whole new ball game. She can go hang.

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CoatsDoRoam · 09/07/2018 17:31

Good for you. What a pain.

Have you replied at all? Or blocked her?

Pippylou · 09/07/2018 17:51

I would have entirely lost the plot with her by now. You aren't responsible for her mental health.

If she keeps on at you, can one or more of your group have a word? I'd hate a friend of mine to be so hassled. If it prompts her to seek help, all the better.

fluffy71 · 09/07/2018 18:53

Well its difficult within our group, as 2 of them are her cousins and from little whisperings I've heard they all know she's behaved badly but no one would ever challenge her. She always used to organise our meets up, always a place of her choosing but since we've all started communicating by wattsapp in the last year she started stropping and claiming she's not getting the messages when its clear to see she's reading them. I don't need to mention anything to them she is digging her own grave by her behaviour as she is now sulking with the group for their perceived ill treatment of her at the baby shower. The fact that the day wasn't about has'nt entered head. This is why she is now a lost cause. I can't break the friendship but will only meet up with her when the others are around. I find her really sad actually. I only got into this situation as I felt sorry for her pitiful existence but now I realise she's brought it all on herself.

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fluffy71 · 09/07/2018 18:57

CoatsDoRoam
No I haven't responded at all and won't be. My husband has suggested blocking her but I don't want a row, she's the sort to drive the 30 miles to turn up at my house for a row.

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Pippylou · 09/07/2018 19:10

Ah, do the "grey rock" thing then.

Defo concentrate on your own baby and family just now and let her have her wee tantrums...sounds like the change of focus on who organises things hasn't gone down well.

If she does drive over for a row, I would be be having a migraine and lying down in a dark room and not having visitors. :-)

fluffy71 · 09/07/2018 21:20

Yeah she's just rung again, a complete headcase and I've not answered.

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DroningOn · 09/07/2018 21:28

Think you just need to be frank and firm.

"I'm finding it increasingly difficult to provide the level of support you need and I'm spending far too much time away from my family to help you deal with your struggles. I really sorry, I know you don't want to hear this from me but it's starting to affect my mood and my family life and I need a break away from it all. Hope you understand. "

*copy and paste into WhatsApp.

nervousnails · 09/07/2018 21:28

The more you keep ignoring her, the more she is going to try to get back in touch. She is very negative and clearly, she is affecting you. Be open and cut her off and let this friendship go. Blocking is not a bad option.

DroningOn · 09/07/2018 21:33

Yeah, agree on not blocking, not clear enough, leaves the door open for her to call round.

nervousnails · 09/07/2018 21:34

Doh! I meant *blocking is a bad option. Not 'not a bad'

MistressDeeCee · 09/07/2018 21:45

Sorry - but this is the result of you being a complete doormat to a controlling person who wants to monopolise your life and time. Your wishes don't matter - you aren't respected. This being MN you'll get plenty of good advice about breaking this cycle. You'll get peace in your life if you heed it.

Thehop · 09/07/2018 21:59

I’m really pleased to hear you’ve made some progress OP.

Good luck with the birth x

fluffy71 · 09/07/2018 22:46

Well I havent ignored her I've told her 3 times by text over the past 2 weeks that I will be in touch after baby, quite cordial. I have said this to other friends too. Obviously not wanting confrontation I hoped this would be enough. I should have spoken to her on the phone a few weeks ago but I don't think she would have respected this either. I'm actually going to relax and ignore as I don't care if she thinks I've fallen out with her. At this stage my priority is my baby qnd enjoying a few weeks with my teenager before their op. I know I do need.to work on my fear of confrontation but I'm not going to sort this out in the 2 weeks before I have my baby. I've told her my parameters.if she doesnt get the message then I'll send another text at the weekend like the DroningOn suggested. I feel like if I speak to her now I'll just get angry which will play into her need for attention.

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fluffy71 · 10/07/2018 11:20

Pippylou
I've taken your advice and messaged another friend who has encountered this type of behaviour from said friend. I just said I've helped her through private issues she has, won't break her confidence but I can't give her the support she needs now for reasons etc and could you pop round and see her at the weekend and see if she wants to hang out with you? Said friend has really turned against this friend recently and I now know its because she told her she couldnt listen to her ranting anymore.

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Pippylou · 10/07/2018 13:52

Ah, someone who is draining tends to drain everyone around them...

If she keeps hassling you, maybe a wider discussion in the group, whilst respecting confidences? At some point, she's going to need telling, much as that would be a very difficult conversation...

fluffy71 · 12/07/2018 19:32

I am aware I am bleating on a bit about this, so sorry if this is irritating some of you who have given me constructive advice but I had a couple more calls this week from her (when I was in bed asleep and another when having a lunchtime nap). The first call I didn't return, the second today she left a message asking me to please call her cause I was making her look like a stalker.

I responded by text to the message and said "I am extremely tired, I've got 10 days to go and I've told everyone I'm in hibernation mode. I am relaxing and focusing on myself and the kids and will be in touch once I've got through the birth and we can chat then. Hope all ok with you".

She texted saying she was perplexed by my text. She was only being a good friend wanting to know how I was because I was in hospital and was so sorry if she had irritated, offended or agitated me but she had only spoken to me once since May, but lots of love hope all goes well, can't wait to meet baby xxxxx etc.

Obviously this isn't true and I have met her at a 50th but other events with our group of friends she has chosen not to attend (as she is apparently angry about my baby shower.)
I drafted a text back saying, "there is no conflict, I told you I was ok" (7 texts over the night I was in hospital made that clear) "I've just made it clear I'm not up to meeting up or speaking on the phone and I've had as much contact with you as the girls in the wattsapp group, I saw you 3 weeks ago at 50th and the other events you couldn't attend cause you had stuff on. So no drama."

I know I should have been straight with her from the off and told her to her face that I couldn't support her anymore with all her issues but I felt this way would avoid any conflict. I've been polite with her on four separate occasions by text that said I'll see her when I have the baby. I feel I shouldn't respond to this text because it just creates drama and a petty text spat making it about her.

Would you respond to this text given all thats gone on before or leave well alone?

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