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HELP, friend is suffocating me!!

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fluffy71 · 05/06/2018 12:20

Hi there,
Please bear with me, but I really need some advice on this needy friend. We have known each other for 35 years since junior school. Through that time our friendship has ebbed and flowed, sometimes not seeing each other all that often but we've kept in touch as we have a group of mutual friends.

There have been times when our friendship has been more frenemy than friend. She's always considered me her best friend. Though I do find her to be quite competitive and in our younger years she would often say jokey put downs about my body shape or weight that would leave me seething, despite the fact that she has always struggled with her weight and I never have. However she does have her good points, she has a kind nature with my children and is incredibly generous.

I didn't see a lot of her for many years as I was having babies and spending time with other friends whilst she was developing her career.

Once my kids got older she seemed much more interested in meeting up and mellowed somewhat, so we would see each other occasionally whilst she spoke about the latest man she liked and I listened. I found her quite immature t.b.h as she always had a crush but never seemed to do anything about it. However, it was fine to listen to in short bursts. She is also incredibly late to anything we organise as a group or one to one. I found this irritating but it was easy to limit my contact with her. She has this ditzy, flaky persona that our friendship group tolerates.

However, about 8 years ago, when we were in our late 30's she disclosed to me that she was desperately unhappy and wanted to settle down with kids. I was shocked that she was so candid as she is a very private person, but I really felt for her and our friendship entered a closer stage. From then on she has disclosed so much private stuff to me, I have felt real empathy for her but is been quite overwhelming at times. I have gently suggested she tries counselling but she said she has friends to talk to so she doesn't need a counsellor!! That'll be me then!

Its been difficult to stem the tide once she realised she could confide in me, asking advice all the time on men issues or her diet or family issues. One guy she had a crush on for 7 years and never got any where with. She has never had a boyfriend, just the odd date.

For the last 5 years, she has invited herself over to my house ALL the time, holidays, weekends etc and my husband and children would have to make themselves scarce whilst she went on and on about her latest worry. It's frustrating as she never listens to advice and it was causing a strain with my husband and eating into family time. I feel like I am constantly apologising for missing calls or making excuses for not having her over. I haven't had her round my house for 12 months as she invited herself over on a bank holiday to offload and then proceeded to be 4 hours late! I didn't even want her round that day! I have challenged her over her lateness in the past but it just escalated into a row.

Two years ago she decided to try IVF with donor sperm. I have been totally supportive during her 7 attempts. I have collected her from the clinic on a number of occasions and listened to her for hours at a time when it hasn't worked. I am also unable to tell my husband that she is having treatment so have had to lie to him when driving the 120 mile round trip to the clinic. It is heartbreaking to see her go through this. I find it hard saying no to long phone calls whilst she is going through such a terrible time.

However, in the last 12 months I am finding it more difficult to be around her. I am the only person in our group of friends she has confided in. Despite the fact that she works in a different part of the country she continues to calls me all the time and still attempts to invite herself over. As I can't bear waiting in all day for her I try and placate her by meeting in a cafe near her home (she lives in my home town 30 miles away) She is always insanely late even though I tell her I have things to do after we meet. She never eats in public, she just sips hot water and seems to alternate between a very restrictive diet and then binging between treatments.

At Christmas I found myself pregnant (totally unplanned and went through turmoil about wether to continue with the pregnancy or not due to my age). It was a difficult time as my friend was also going through treatment at this time. She found out she was pregnant at Christmas and wanted to share her joyful news with me in person. I was delighted for her and provided emotional support over the phone but couldn't meet up whilst I was considering terminating a pregnancy.

Unfortunately she miscarried, and having had two myself I understand a little of her heartbreak. I felt awful at the unfairness of it all, how desperately she wanted a baby and here was I considering a termination.

I decided to continue with my pregnancy but waited until I was 15 weeks to tell her. I said I would totally understand if she didn't want to see me during my pregnancy. She was very upset when I told her but said she was happy for me. I know that this could not have been easy for her.

She's continued to continually call and text for support. She's also started saying bitchy comments about my pregnancy size. Though given what torment she is going through I can see why she is acting like this.

However I think I have now reached the end point with her. Recently one of the other girls in our friendship group organised a baby shower for me. I said to my friend that I would totally understand if she didn't want to go but she said no she would as she was in charge of buying a present. Anyway, its turned out she had a huge strop about buying baby clothes with the other girls (I totally understand why)and ended up buying her own present, but the others have no idea why! She turned up at the baby shower, looking really scruffy and did not speak one word all day and did not leave until I did. I know I might get flayed alive for this, but given all the support I've given her over the last X amount of years and that no one else knew she was going through IVF, the only person she was upsetting was me. I feel that as she decided to attend, she should have just got through the day. The rest of our friends were a bit puzzled by her behaviour but obviously I can't tell them the reason why. Since then she's been calling and inviting herself over as if nothing happened. I just can't stand it anymore!!!!!

I suppose the crux of it is that I feel she does't show me any respect but then expects me to be her personal shrink and I've had enough!

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Iflyaway · 05/06/2018 21:47

She has never had a boyfriend, just the odd date.

Yet, she wants a child by IVF.

How on earth is she going to handle having a child - being a single mother - without even working out how relationships work?

That poor child.

Please do not facilitate it!

Desparetely rude to be hours late to meeting up with friends (i.e. you!).

It's always only about her, isn't it?

fluffy71 · 05/06/2018 21:52

Sorry pressed post by mistake! Thankyou all for your constructive advice. Rather than my primary concern being to protect her ego I intend to grow a pair and when she next calls I will cordially explain to her my legitimate reasons for not being able to continue to support her during her next round of treatment and tell her I will be in touch at some point in the future once life calms down. I know she'll leave messages and may suggest coming over under the pretext as having chocolate for the kids or something similarly manipulative as she has done in the past. I also intend to switch my phone off at 8pm every night and NOT respond at alI until I feel up to it. When that will be at the moment I don't know. She'll be the last person on my mind once I have a newborn and a teenager recovering from major surgery in the same house! Someone asked what do I get out of this friendship and the honest answer to that is a whole load of guilt and manipulation. Someone mentioned how she has likely done this before with others and I don't doubt it as thinking about it, she had numerous friends from uni she was dashing off to see but that all tailed off years back. Someone also expressed concern about the well being of any child she may have. I agree and have concerns about her mental health. However, these IVF clinic's seem happy to take the dosh and fill her head with stories of her amazing egg count given her age. I've always worried about the possibility of her having a break down if this ends up without a baby (as is looking very likely).however you've helped me see that it is not my problem. She is following this path of her own free will and not mine to worry about anymore. I'll let you know how I get on. Thanks again everyone.

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Seabreeze18 · 05/06/2018 22:56

Time to move on! Good luck

TemptressofWaikiki · 06/06/2018 01:15

Yep @fluffy71 It was me who expressed serious concern for any child that might solely exist as her raison d'être. It was also me who suggested that she probably had another ‘victim’ who she monopolised for her self-centred, one-way kind of approach to friendships before you, and will move on to a new target, once you no longer provide her with the required attention. Am really pleased that you are taking steps to put yourself first and keep her away. I reckon once you have stopped contact for a while, you will want to continue to enjoy her absence.

DPotter · 06/06/2018 02:04

I think your plan is good and I hope she respects the new boundaries. Frankly with a new born and a teen recovering from surgery, I would have my phone 'off' as far as she was concerned for 23 hours of the day.

Slightly off the point, I thought there were limits to the number of IVFs recommended? Surely all those hormones and a fragile mental state is not a healthy combination.

Italiangreyhound · 06/06/2018 02:51

@fluffy71 good luck with the pregnancy.

I think sometimes the more reasons and excuses we give people the more they can argue against things, my father is ill (but you are not visiting him all the time), I've just had a baby (then I will visit you), I'm feeling exhausted (I could come over and make dinner) etc etc.

in your shoes I'd be tempted to write a lovely card, really nice picture, and a short message wishing her all the best with her treatment. Then add that things are very hectic as your father is ill, your child is having an op and you are going into hospital for a C-section. So you won't see her for a while.

After a break of weeks or months you may find she has found someone else to confide in and you may be off the hook. If not, I'd only offer her short bursts of contact by phone if you feel able to do that. I'd not suggest she comes over and I'd not try and go to see her.

I had fertility issues for many years (two lovely kids now) and I found it very hard to be around pregnant friends or new babies, so she may choose not to see you at this time.

Monty27 · 06/06/2018 02:58

Get her and her negativity far away from you. And then further.
Congratulations OP enjoy your addition. 😏🌷🌼

Italiangreyhound · 06/06/2018 02:59

If you decide you really cannot face seeing her again, I'd probably stall until your baby is safely out and all is well there and her treatment is over. 35 years is a long time and for your peace of mind I think a gentle fade out may be easier for all than a big blow out.

My one comment would also be don't be too hard on her for the baby shower. It was a wrong decision of hers to be involved in the shower and to be the present buyer, and she made that mistake. But I also went to baby showers when undergoing IVF and I know that sometimes we all do things that are just stupid.

Please do not worry if she does have a child, it may all work out OK and if she does not, she may find a different pathway to make her happy. Whatever happens you probably cannot help her much more since you say yourself your boundaries are not great and she has walked all over you. You've been a very, very good friend. But maybe being on her own now she will finally seek help.

Good luck for your child's operation, for your dad, for the birth and for whatever route this friendship takes in the future.

@DPotter 'Surely all those hormones and a fragile mental state is not a healthy combination.'

As far as I know there are no limits if you are paying. Plus when I had treatment I had donor eggs and that is considerably less hormones etc for the person who is trying to get pregnant, don't know if the friend is trying donor eggs but if so, it's less hormones.

I've know people have about half a dozen treatments.

MrsPreston11 · 06/06/2018 10:33

Reading this thread has really reminded me of this amazing blog:

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A great (but worrying that these people can exist in real life) read!

fluffy71 · 06/06/2018 12:26

From what I understand with IVF if you are prepared to continue paying there is no limit to how many treatments you can have. She is using her own eggs, but this is the literally the only clinic in England that will treat her with her own eggs.

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Aeroflotgirl · 06/06/2018 12:37

Good on you op, like others have said, she sounds like an emotional vampire, and is sucking the life out of you. Don't be afraid to be rude to her if you need be, or hurt her feelings, as she is doing to you.

fluffy71 · 15/06/2018 17:02

Hi there, just an update: I went away last weekend with said group of friends, my other troubled friend didn't go as she was on holiday with her parents for a week and she doesn't like spa weekends anyway.
Anyway, I found out the full facts of what happened during the build up to and during the baby shower.
It turned out she had a screaming row over the phone the day before with one of the girls, because she insisted I did not want baby clothes and that she did not want to know the sex of the baby so expected the clothes to be bought back to the shop! She was also crying in the kitchen on the day when she went inside to make a cup of tea.

One friend I shared a room with told me all this, but swore me to secrecy as the group didn't want me to find out because they didn't want me to be upset.

Well obviously the other girls are extremely worried about her and this one friend confided that she thinks troubled friend is depressed and something is going on with her, but she doesn't know what. Two of them went out for lunch with her a few days after the shower (she was on time for them!) and she told them she was stressed with work. They are worried about her eating habits (which I have been) and asked me what I thought about it, being her closest friend. Obviously I didn't say a word about her treatments though I did say I was concerned about her too. But if I am totally honest I don't know why she just didn't make an excuse and not go to the shower rather than make a drama out of it. None of them suspect the real reason why she was upset because she has never had a partner and never publicly expressed any interest in having children.
Cut to this week, her being back from her holiday but having another week off work, so she called me and I let it go to answerphone. I happen to know she is embarking on treatment this week and not next month so I just texted her to say I'm really busy, with hospital two hospital appts for family members this week and I hope she had a nice hol etc. etc. and I might see her at next social gathering if I wasn't too tired. She texted back "no worries". I didn't even mention her treatment. Usually I would have to refer to it and feel obliged to support but I have enough stuff on myself and I just want to spend time with my friends where I live now, who are fun and kind and ask how I am!

I was going to call and come out with the whole speech I planned but I just can't be bothered to re engage and get sucked in again. She know's I've got stuff on and doesn't really give one so I've taken the cowards way out I suppose. But saying that I do feel relief. A little part of me does worry that if all this comes out, which it might do, as I think by meeting two of the other girls in the group she's looking for more support, then I might be the bad guy for going along with a baby shower when my "poor" friend has been struggling with infertility. I hope this wouldn't happen but two of the group are related to her so they ties to her are stronger than me.

But if that happens I can't do anything about it so I'm not going to worry about it.

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Italiangreyhound · 15/06/2018 17:13

She went on baby shower, you did not force her. Don't engage and don't over think. She could look for other support and of anything comes out, she swore you to secrecy.

Good luck .

Inkanta · 15/06/2018 17:34

"The thing is, since the baby shower, I just feel really, really angry and pissed off with her"

I'm glad you're angry. Probably you can finally see that it's all about her. You have a new baby to think about and protect. Time to to cut ties.

Inkanta · 15/06/2018 17:40

"She know's I've got stuff on and doesn't really give one so I've taken the cowards way out I suppose."

No I don't think it's the cowards way out. You don't have to spell it out. It's a good a good healthy strategy - you don't need the drama.

fluffy71 · 18/06/2018 11:11

Can I just say thank you to everyone who has taken the time to give advice to my dilemma. I now have six weeks of peace ahead of me before I give birth with the feeling that I am not responsible for somebody else's drama.

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fluffy71 · 25/06/2018 11:06

Hi everyone, after ignoring her phone calls last week, I saw my friend at a surprise 50th at the weekend for one of our group. She turned up too late for the surprise and claimed she wasn't told the time to get there. (We are all in a Wattsapp group). Strolled in an hour after the birthday girl. I

I was exhausted Sat, getting lots of braxton hicks the whole day, so only stayed a couple of hours and her arrival actually brought forward my exit.

The minute she walked in, a lot of our group of friends who were stood with me and my husband walked off (I didn't notice this until my husband pointed it out). She then proceeded to moan about eating all the cakes she'd bought for a house guest who was also at the party and declared she hadn't seen me in ages (just over a month) then proceeded to ask about wether my kids are any better about the pregnancy yet? My eldest took the baby news badly and I stopped talking about it to her because she seemed to find it really funny, yet she asked about it yet again. The only time I saw her laugh in the brief time I was talking to her! She really is a negative drain.
Anyway, she said oh I'll come over next Sunday as I'm busy Sat. I said oh err not sure, she again told me no I'll come over Sun dear and see you. So we left and as she is not going to take the hint I will have to call her and tell her no. Feeling annoyed and stressed again by her.

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FizzyGreenWater · 25/06/2018 11:46

I am also unable to tell my husband that she is having treatment so have had to lie to him when driving the 120 mile round trip to the clinic.

there's the red line, for me.

she seemed to find it very amusing that I lied to him.
My eldest took the baby news badly and I stopped talking about it to her because she seemed to find it really funny, yet she asked about it yet again. The only time I saw her laugh in the brief time I was talking to her!

and this would be where I realised that a theme had developed and that hte theme was 'she is a nasty bloodsucking twat' and I dropped contact with her.

Seriously, stop replying.

Claim pregnancy tiredness/busyness etc. Take longer and longer to reply. Let her bitch away. Get rid.

Nikephorus · 25/06/2018 11:55

I will have to call her and tell her no
This is one of those times that text is better! Just text and say you're busy Sunday. Don't offer alternatives or even a 'see you another time'. Just 'sorry, can't do Sunday, we've other plans'

kissthealderman · 25/06/2018 11:57

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DownUdderer · 25/06/2018 12:20

Definitely text her to say Sunday is no good, she can’t come then. She really has boundary issues. Don’t back down, don’t be persuaded to have her over.

fluffy71 · 25/06/2018 13:59

Thanks everyone, Sat night made me realise I feel bad when spending even the smallest amount of time with her. I've just sent a very nice text saying I can't do Sunday as have something on and that I probably won't see her now before the baby arrives as I am so, so tired. I wished her good luck with her treatment for this month. She's just sent a text back saying, "no worries, how about the week after as I have nothing on". She clearly is not getting the message and will not leave me alone! She is quite volatile at the moment (I know she is going through a tough time) but I don't want to get into a row with her, this close to having a baby.

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BMW6 · 25/06/2018 14:19

Just reply "No. Not the weekend after or for the foreseeable future"

Maelstrop · 25/06/2018 14:22

Just text back and say you'll be in touch when you have time/if the baby doesn't arrive earlier than planned so the ball is in your court. God, she's persistent!

FizzyGreenWater · 25/06/2018 14:22

'Sorry, no, we are really busy now before the birth I'm afraid.'

Don't suggest sometime in the future, and keep texts short.