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HELP, friend is suffocating me!!

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fluffy71 · 05/06/2018 12:20

Hi there,
Please bear with me, but I really need some advice on this needy friend. We have known each other for 35 years since junior school. Through that time our friendship has ebbed and flowed, sometimes not seeing each other all that often but we've kept in touch as we have a group of mutual friends.

There have been times when our friendship has been more frenemy than friend. She's always considered me her best friend. Though I do find her to be quite competitive and in our younger years she would often say jokey put downs about my body shape or weight that would leave me seething, despite the fact that she has always struggled with her weight and I never have. However she does have her good points, she has a kind nature with my children and is incredibly generous.

I didn't see a lot of her for many years as I was having babies and spending time with other friends whilst she was developing her career.

Once my kids got older she seemed much more interested in meeting up and mellowed somewhat, so we would see each other occasionally whilst she spoke about the latest man she liked and I listened. I found her quite immature t.b.h as she always had a crush but never seemed to do anything about it. However, it was fine to listen to in short bursts. She is also incredibly late to anything we organise as a group or one to one. I found this irritating but it was easy to limit my contact with her. She has this ditzy, flaky persona that our friendship group tolerates.

However, about 8 years ago, when we were in our late 30's she disclosed to me that she was desperately unhappy and wanted to settle down with kids. I was shocked that she was so candid as she is a very private person, but I really felt for her and our friendship entered a closer stage. From then on she has disclosed so much private stuff to me, I have felt real empathy for her but is been quite overwhelming at times. I have gently suggested she tries counselling but she said she has friends to talk to so she doesn't need a counsellor!! That'll be me then!

Its been difficult to stem the tide once she realised she could confide in me, asking advice all the time on men issues or her diet or family issues. One guy she had a crush on for 7 years and never got any where with. She has never had a boyfriend, just the odd date.

For the last 5 years, she has invited herself over to my house ALL the time, holidays, weekends etc and my husband and children would have to make themselves scarce whilst she went on and on about her latest worry. It's frustrating as she never listens to advice and it was causing a strain with my husband and eating into family time. I feel like I am constantly apologising for missing calls or making excuses for not having her over. I haven't had her round my house for 12 months as she invited herself over on a bank holiday to offload and then proceeded to be 4 hours late! I didn't even want her round that day! I have challenged her over her lateness in the past but it just escalated into a row.

Two years ago she decided to try IVF with donor sperm. I have been totally supportive during her 7 attempts. I have collected her from the clinic on a number of occasions and listened to her for hours at a time when it hasn't worked. I am also unable to tell my husband that she is having treatment so have had to lie to him when driving the 120 mile round trip to the clinic. It is heartbreaking to see her go through this. I find it hard saying no to long phone calls whilst she is going through such a terrible time.

However, in the last 12 months I am finding it more difficult to be around her. I am the only person in our group of friends she has confided in. Despite the fact that she works in a different part of the country she continues to calls me all the time and still attempts to invite herself over. As I can't bear waiting in all day for her I try and placate her by meeting in a cafe near her home (she lives in my home town 30 miles away) She is always insanely late even though I tell her I have things to do after we meet. She never eats in public, she just sips hot water and seems to alternate between a very restrictive diet and then binging between treatments.

At Christmas I found myself pregnant (totally unplanned and went through turmoil about wether to continue with the pregnancy or not due to my age). It was a difficult time as my friend was also going through treatment at this time. She found out she was pregnant at Christmas and wanted to share her joyful news with me in person. I was delighted for her and provided emotional support over the phone but couldn't meet up whilst I was considering terminating a pregnancy.

Unfortunately she miscarried, and having had two myself I understand a little of her heartbreak. I felt awful at the unfairness of it all, how desperately she wanted a baby and here was I considering a termination.

I decided to continue with my pregnancy but waited until I was 15 weeks to tell her. I said I would totally understand if she didn't want to see me during my pregnancy. She was very upset when I told her but said she was happy for me. I know that this could not have been easy for her.

She's continued to continually call and text for support. She's also started saying bitchy comments about my pregnancy size. Though given what torment she is going through I can see why she is acting like this.

However I think I have now reached the end point with her. Recently one of the other girls in our friendship group organised a baby shower for me. I said to my friend that I would totally understand if she didn't want to go but she said no she would as she was in charge of buying a present. Anyway, its turned out she had a huge strop about buying baby clothes with the other girls (I totally understand why)and ended up buying her own present, but the others have no idea why! She turned up at the baby shower, looking really scruffy and did not speak one word all day and did not leave until I did. I know I might get flayed alive for this, but given all the support I've given her over the last X amount of years and that no one else knew she was going through IVF, the only person she was upsetting was me. I feel that as she decided to attend, she should have just got through the day. The rest of our friends were a bit puzzled by her behaviour but obviously I can't tell them the reason why. Since then she's been calling and inviting herself over as if nothing happened. I just can't stand it anymore!!!!!

I suppose the crux of it is that I feel she does't show me any respect but then expects me to be her personal shrink and I've had enough!

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rogueone · 13/07/2018 07:58

Sorry but your going to have to tell her. You can’t truly expect her to understand that you have decided to change the nature of your relationship by simply ignoring texts or calls or telling her your in hibernation mode. It’s no wonder she is bemused. Whilst you may have moved on in your head and decided enough is enough after 8 yrs she doesn’t know that. So you can either keep avoiding it or get it out of the way now so you can enjoy your baby. Personally I would meet her for a coffee and tell her:

fluffy71 · 13/07/2018 15:59

Yes I know I've handled it incorrectly. She texted this morning asking why my phone was switched off but I was actually having a scan in hospital so thats why no signal. I texted back a firmer reply stating that I actually had more contact with her last week than I had with my husband and I've told all my friends and family I'm not going out, meeting up etc (this is true) and that she is making me stressed and making it all about her.

I've just got in from work now and my husband has called me and said she got his company switchboard number and attempted to call him at work. This is not normal behaviour and I feel a coffee with her at this point is just allowing her to yet again ignore my boundaries. That and the fact I actually feel scared.

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plire · 13/07/2018 16:04

She called him at work? Shock wtf is she thinking?

I wouldn't be meeting her for anything. Ever.

nervousnails · 13/07/2018 16:13

OP, talk to her. Call her/text her and tell her in no uncertain terms that you refuse to engage with her anymore. She has to deal with it.

hedgebackwards · 13/07/2018 16:31

How about getting your husband to phone her? He can tell her what's what.

wineandroses1 · 13/07/2018 16:33

Agree with nervousnails you need to tell her the truth. All this "I'm hibernating, see you after the baby etc" when really you just need to tell her that your relationship is at an end and you don't want her involved in your life. She is reading what she wants to read into your tactful texts. Stop being tactful, start being truthful.

blacksax · 13/07/2018 16:46

If I were you, then "Go Away And Leave Me Alone" would be the text I'd have sent by now.
She's lost the plot, and trying to phone your DH at work is verging on nutcase stalker territory.

UpstartCrow · 13/07/2018 16:51

I dont think there is a right way to handle this, whatever you do shw will twist it to make it about her.
Phoning your husband at work is batshit. Tell her she has crossed a line and not to contact you again.
I dont think that will make her stop, but at least its a clear boundary.

BlackStoneCherie · 13/07/2018 16:51

Op. I had someone latch on to me in this way. I only knew her for a few months but I got to dread seeing her name flash up on my phone. If we met for coffee ,even in the early days before I knew her that well, the talk was all about her, her violent ex past, and he dramatic negative life. I had to actually tell her to stop talking and listen if I ever wanted to say something.

She started pushing to find out where I lived as she wanted to come and 'spend quality time' with me. I didn't tell her thank goodness.

She then just walked into where I was working one day (I run public workshops) and proceeded to sit her self in my space, and then follow me around my students whilst I was talking to them, telling them to listen to me as ' 'BlackStone knows what she's talking about'!. Hmm

I couldn't handle it as it was far too intense, personal and negative. So, having read many threads on here thus feeling the collective power of MN, and feeling ever so slightly cowardly for doing it, I texted her saying that the situation just didn't work for me.

Ironically, her reply was that 'well, I could have just discussed it with her', even though a discussion would never have taken place as I could never get a word in.

So, c'mon, once and for all tell her, and then block her, I'm so glad I did it. You really don't need this.

Flowers Baby congratulations too.

Lotsofdigestives · 13/07/2018 16:57

I would tell her I don’t wish to see or speak to her anymore.

eddielizzard · 13/07/2018 17:09

This is untenable. You've tried to be kind, but she's moving towards stalker territory. Don't engage anymore. Ignore all texts and calls. Or tell her she's making you very uncomfortable and you'll contact her when you're ready. And then after that ignore ignore ignore.

Pippylou · 13/07/2018 17:20

Well, other than saying fuck off, there's not much more you can say than you didn't in the last msg.

Is she sane?

fluffy71 · 13/07/2018 17:49

I think SpandexTutu said very early on in this thread that she had a friend like this and ended up going NC due to their self obsessed nature.

I honestly didn't want to end the friendship as we have so many mutual friends in common, I just wanted to free myself from being her personal shrink and revert to having a less intense friendship where I'm not her "one and only" as I really like the other girls in our group.

Obviously I have been really naive thinking she would accept this, having me as at her beck and call for the last 8 years or so. I think I need to call her tomorrow and put things to bed, he actually feels stressed about it and my teenage daughter has been in the house today alone whilst I've been at work terrified she's going to come round.

This can't carry on and as much as don't want to call her I know the stress for me at 39 weeks pregnancy will only intensify unless I confront her verbally. I think she believes she is a really good friend to me in her messed up mind and I can't carry on like this and if it means I won't mix with my other group of friends anymore at least I'll have peace of mind. Thanks so much
everyone, feel very miserable.

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rogueone · 13/07/2018 18:45

You might find with a bit of straight talking that she backs off. Some folks aren’t good at reading between the lines! Good luck as it sounds terribly stressful and not what you need with a baby on it’s way.

WhiteWalkerWife · 13/07/2018 23:30

You need to be blunt with her. She doesn't want to see the truth and until you spell it out for her every text you send feeds the denial.

CherryBlossom321 · 13/07/2018 23:53

It's not your friend's fault that you have boundary issues.

fluffy71 · 14/07/2018 05:43

CherryBlossom321 Seriously?! Reading this thread you think I'm the one with boundary issues?!Confused

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PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 14/07/2018 06:03

Darling, you’ve got to pull the trigger on this as you’ve given her oppprtinity after opportunity to “get it” and TBH the indirect efforts aren’t working, you have to be firm.
I had to do this with a mate after she’d been similar (but include dropping me mid evening out to literally disappear with blokes she’d just bet) and I put up with it for so long and then she made my wedding all about her (I shit ye not) so I just gave it to her on email.

Sure it lost me the “friendship” but it could leave her in no doubt where I stood. I was angry, but I told her crystal clear why. I said that I cared about her; I truly did, but her volatile and relentless nature had erased all that and left me feeling harassed, stressed and drained - like she didn’t get her actions were genuinely worrying but she wouldn’t address anything and just carried on like a fucking cannonball wrecking all around her - my wedding included.

Believe it or not, I stand by how I did it as writing it down and giving the message straight from the heart in black and white saves your “friend” the pain of being slowly dropped. I’ve had the latter happen to me and it’s so upsetting.

Fact: this lassie is most definitely in emotional pain but she’s wreaking havoc on you without any respect, care or attention for your time and is likely aggressive in nature due to jealousy. Send the email, cut her loose, block, inform others, don’t ever communicate with her again.

NotAgainyoda · 14/07/2018 06:22

I agree with PaulHollywood

There is nothing you can do to help this woman that won't come at a cost to you.

She may have a personality disorder. You will never get to a point where she accepts your side of it.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 14/07/2018 06:28

One last thing: put your family first - always. Respectfully, stop allowing her to physically and mentally remove you from your unit. No more.

Groovee · 14/07/2018 08:05

I would just ignore and concentrate on you x

melisma · 14/07/2018 13:39

Good luck OP-I think there have been lots of suggestions for very clearly worded texts on here, that'll make it hopefully clearer where you are coming from. I think she is going to have to have it spelled out for her, otherwise I fear that you will just keep getting missed calls and texts.

Gemini69 · 14/07/2018 14:15

christ in a bike OP.. I was exhausted reading this... poor you and at 39 weeks too.. tell her to GTF Flowers

Sashkin · 14/07/2018 15:09

Just block her. If she turns up, don’t answer the door. If she rings your husband at work, he can put the phone down on her. The more you are exposed to her texts and calls, the more stressed you are. Just block the number and forget about her.

fluffy71 · 15/07/2018 10:53

Hi Everyone, I finally put this to bed last night.
I was about to call yesterday then I got some flowers delivered , with a note sending me a great big hug.
I felt calling her would mean I was on the back foot having to thank her for flowers. Again, dare I say it another manipulative gesture. So I sent a sensitively worded text saying, I know how difficult the last 2 years have been for you undergoing IVF and my pregnancy must be painful for you. I could see how upset you were at the baby shower and I understand why. But from now on I can't support you with your treatments. You have a lot to deal with and speaking to a counsellor will be a lot more help to you than I ever could be. I am exhausted and my family are about to go through a huge upheaval and they are my priority. I need to rest physically and mentally at this time. Please don't contact me, I will let you know when I'm up for visitors. Then I blocked her number. If she comes over I just won't answer the door. I'm not angry, I just realise now that its ok to put yourself first instead of being afraid of offending others. Hopefully this is direct enough. Thanks mumsnetters, I wouldnt have come to this decision at the start without all your help and support, Thankyou!

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