To Ask Remainers Their Opinion on Italy?

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Post 1 - I don't want this to be too long in one go so Remainers get bored and don't read it.

Italy now stands at both a crossroads and a precipice and the choices made in the next few months will decide whether the next phase of closer EU Integration happens OR there is an end to the European Project. Either way, the EU's coup d'etat in the Italian elections has been a watershed moment.

Because of the increasing problems brought on by economic stagnation and the failure of the Euro to social problems created by the the arrival of hundreds of thousands of migrants over recent years the Italian population has not only become skeptical of the European Union but of politics in general and has voted to take the country in a rightward direction.

Having formed a coalition and garnering over 50% of the vote The League and the 5 Star parties have been blocked from forming a Government after the Italian president vetoed the appointment of a Eurosceptic finance minister.

Sergio Materalla, who was installed as president by a previous pro EU Italian government AND who as head of state is supposed to be politically neutral said in a televised message that "the economy ministry always constitutes an immediate message of trust or alarm for financial markets and as such he could not accept a minister who may provoke Italy's exit from the Euro.

He then, without any apparent introspection, appointed as head of government a European technocrat who not only used to be a director of the IMF but is also well know for his pro EU views.

"Well done, have a biscuit"

This one man propaganda war of ignorance isn't going so well for you, is it...

It's not the EU that has fucked over the working classes - it's the political classes and their corporate masters. The same ones who will still run this country after brexit, only with less restrictions on what they can do to widen the gap between rich and poor.

Do you honestly think it's going to get better for the working class after brexit? As we move away from Europe and more towards an American model of social care, workers rights, etc. etc.

Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.

So the Working Classes are going to be worse off, and the Middles Classes are going to be worse of. The Ruling Classes who are driving this are going to make money out of it.

That makes it all worth while doesn't it!

Brexiteers still peddling class war over leaving the EU. It was EU that invested in deprived UK regions. It was a British government that once spoke of the "managed decline" of the north. If you think the austerity mad Tories will help the working class when the country will be economically screwed you are fucking deluded.

My writing has gone to pot, terrible spelling. Time for a break.

I'm off out for a run. Toodlepip

“The working class or going to have slightly less of fuck all than they did before.”

Right. But that’s not what they were promised when they cast their vote, was it?

I'd also add that since Brexiteers don't have a fucking clue how NI/GFA will work with Brexit I'm not going to be lectured on Italian politics by these same people. Bless you for having faith in every Telegraph fantasy piece about the immient collapse of the EU.

*The working class or going to have slightly less of fuck all than they did before.

The middle classes may have to queue slightly longer when their go on their bi annual holiday to Tuscany.*

Seriously, that's now your argument? You admit that the working class will actually be worse off but are happy with that as long as the middle classes (who pay all the tax) are hit even harder?

Well at least that's honest I guess.

And she exits stage left, having convinced us all of the benefits of brexit. Oh, wait..........

The middle classes may have to queue slightly longer when their go on their bi annual holiday to Tuscany.

Do you know what is hilarious about this? The above statement could describe all of the Leave voters I know. Wealthy, middle class, retired with massive disposable income.

They will give zero fucks about Brexit if a disaster because it won’t touch them.

But their kids and grand kids will be the ones to suffer.

It seems we as a nation never learn really.

And Leavers have changed their narrative too. Leaving was supposed to lead us to the promised land of plentiful jobs and good old England back to the Tudor times. Huzzah!

Except now we are told that a bit of suffering is a small price to pay for the freedom that no one was asking for in the first place.

The middle classes may have to queue slightly longer when their go on their bi annual holiday to Tuscany.

It’s also really disingenuous to suggest that this is the extent of the inconvenience to “middle class” people.

Some people’s lives and careers could potentially be ruined by this.

For example:

The proposed terms of the withdrawal agreement relating to citizens’ rights do not cover people who live in one EU country and work in another, or who live in one and work all across the EU. The current text is based on the premise that people who live in one country will be able to apply for the right to continue living there. But they won’t have ongoing free movement between the member states. So people whose lives and careers are organised on that basis will potentially be stuffed.

I also don’t think there is any clarity over whether professional qualifications obtained in the UK will continue to be recognised in other member states following Brexit (as EU law currently provides that they must).

So people working in certain professions in other member states on the basis of qualifications they obtained in the UK may find they can no longer continue with their careers in the country where they live.

But do feel free to make some more blithely ignorant statements about people having to queue for longer to get to their holiday homes, OP. It shows you have a genuine grasp of the situation.

Exactly MissSusan
Very well said!

Agree wholeheartedly with you Lovein

Such an ignorant, small minded view - utterly depressing