To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?

[Laudanumm]

So apparently we're now at very high risk of exiting the EU in March without a trade agreement with the EU. The government wanted to keep it secret, but it's been leaked that the middle of the 3 outcomes they're discussing, so not the bad one, is the port of Dover collapsing on day 1, immediate food shortages and almost immediate petrol and medicine shortages - as in, no food in the supermarkets. It's in the Sunday Times. AIBU to start stockpiling?

Good grief! Get a grip

Have read a lot of this thread, but not all of it, so apologies if I'm making a point that's already been made, but this is just to flag that the EU Withdrawal Bill comes back to the Commons on Tuesday, 12 June, and Theresa May is planning to seek to overturn Lords defeats on a whole host of amendments in a single day www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-eu-withdrawal-bill-house-of-lords-defeats-customs-union-single-market-a8382906.html

These include such matters as whether the government should seek to keep the UK in the EEA, whether it should take steps to keep the UK in a customs union, and the issue of the border in Northern Ireland. So if you have an MP who might be wavering on which way to vote on any of these issues, now would be a very opportune time to e-mail him/her with your views.

Despite some Brexiters' attempts to re-write history, the EU referendum was not fought on a platform of "A vote for Leave means leaving the Single Market" let alone that a Leave vote would mean pulling out of the customs union. Nor did any prominent Leave campaigners go out of their way to explain the potential consequences of a Leave vote for Northern Ireland, so it is nonsense to argue that any of these issues were in any way decided by the result of the EU referendum.

Frequency - I think that one of two things will happen. we will either extend our stay in the CU with a planned withdrawal over xx months.

Or we will at probably the 11th hour come up with some sort of agreement that allows trade to continue on a WT tariff.

Dover will not grind to a halt. there are too many importers into the UK who want to continue getting their goods to market that wont let this happen. there wont be a cliff edge, there never is.

I am getting just a bit sick of being told that we were all a bit too thick to have been allowed to vote on this issue. or that we didn't know what we were voting for. we did. lots of us did. we just don't agree with you.

I am more scared of all the left wing lovies telling me that only intelligent people should be allowed to vote on certain issues because once you go down that route you have a dictatorship and not a democracy.

what I do know is that all the countries were told that budgets were going to be cut by 25% and of the people I spoke to across a number of EU countries there was an awful lot thinking "shit, why didn't we do more to keep GB in the EU

Is that true? It's not what I've been reading. Can you link your source?

As far as I knew they proposed spending more on innovation, research, border control and defense and reducing farming aid and cohesion funds by 5%. I haven't seen anything about cutting grants to poorer countries by a quarter.

I don't think we will run out of food. Maybe if they keep messing around until we crash out of the EU without deal we might experience some empty shelves while the supermarkets adjust to new supplies, etc. But no one will starve. However I think we will experience rise in prices specially if fresh vegetables and fruit as well as reduced variety.
I don't think Brexit is the solution for UK problems but maybe will need to see how bad we are out to realise that were better off in. Hopefully they will take us back in a few years.

appletree - there was a democratic election. a question was asked. those eligible to vote answered it as they saw fit. this last minute "lets block the bill" is undemocratic and makes those doing it look like the sorest of sore losers.

had the vote gone the other way, I would have accepted the referendum and got on with my life. I wouldn't have been forever badgering for another vote.

this is why people hate and distrust the eu. "if you don't get the vote you want first time around its because the voters are stupid and we just need to keep on asking until they vote the "right" way"

move on remoaners. do what you can to make this a success. put your time and energies into that. its just boring keep rehashing the same old same old.

here we are, this is it, now lets get on with making it work.

I just feel embarrassed for people who claim they 'know what they voted for' when very clearly, they don't - so that applies to the majority of the people who voted in the Referendum, irrespective of how they voted, as the margin was so close?

Yes. This should never have been put to a public vote in the way it was. Which isn't to say we should never leave the EU just to do so on a waffer thin majority and against the vast majority of expert opinion is fucking madness. I read for hundreds of hours before the referendum, vastly more than anybody else I know and didn't even scratch the surface of the amount of knowledge needed to make an informed decision on this. Most people didn't have a clue.

If we import half our food from the EU and this doesn't come in we can simply live on the other half, our homegrown food. It won't hurt.

By the way, brexiteers out there. Why did you vote out? The people I've spoken to their main reason seems to be immigration.
Is that all or is there any other " advantages" of being out of EU?

I do think there is panic about seriously. And I say this as a Remainer.

There will be zero tariffs on imports for a humungous transition period, maybe forever. That will be the solution short (long) term. So no hold ups at ports apart from the usual stuff from China and non EU, but that was always there.

BINO for a long while is my guess. It is the only solution.

Why would an unprepared Government impose tariffs on essential imports? Anyone know the answer to this? I may be missing something, but honestly, the hysteria is amazing.

now lets get on with making it work.

How do I do that then? Considering I'm going the be losing my job due to Brexit.

Oh, I know! I could maximise the new opportunities fruit picking

We are all doomed I tell you! rushes off to dig up the garden and plant potatoes and runner beans and live off the land
In all seriousness have a look at the food on your supermarket shelves and the majority of fresh (produce, meat, fish and bakery) all proudly sport the Union Jack.
Our factory alone produces circa 400 tonnes of sausages a week using 100% British pork/beef and chicken.
As for your petrol how much of that is piped in crude oil from North Sea and refined?
We survived before the EU and we will after (but I am anti brexit for the record!!)

The people I've spoken to their main reason seems to be immigration

Go and have a look at the Vote Leave/Leave EU facebook pages, I follow them, the racism on there is awful. Don't take my word for it have a look yourself.

agree with mummy

Not being hysterical. Hoping that it will all go smoothly. Being prepared in case it doesn't isn't hysteria, it's common sense.
I'm not lobbying for another vote because I didn't agree with the outcome of the last one. I think we are stuck with it.
I prefer not to trust that a Just In Time system of food distribution will be utterly unaffected, even for a couple of days. If it works without incident, great.
As my mother would say, don't come bleating to me if it doesn't. As my mother wouldn't say, I don't give a shit about you , I only care about me and those immediately close to me.

Mover mind food and petrol, What about toilet tolls and st products. Though if there is no food to eat won't need many toilet rolls.

If we import half our food from the EU and this doesn't come in we can simply live on the other half, our homegrown food. It won't hurt.

This is possibly one of the best things I have ever read pertaining to Brexit. I'm going to make it my life's motto pertaining to all aspects of life .

"If we need 2000 calories per day to live and this doesn't come in we can simply live on the other half."

"If we need one tank of petrol to get to our destination and we only have half a tank we can simply get there on that."

"If we need £1000 to pay our rent and we only have £500 we can simply pay the rent with that."

we will at probably the 11th hour come up with some sort of agreement that allows trade to continue on a WT tariff.

Here's Oliver Norgrove, former Vote Leave staffer, on the subject of WTO and tariffs:

"A good way to spot a fraud or an amateur in Brexit/trade debate is to look for those who talk about trade purely in terms of tariffs."

And

So the Treasury is supposedly planning for a no deal Brexit. As a Leaver, this is terrifying. The WTO option is, bluntly, suicide.

And

Tariffs are an issue but a small one. The real economic minefield that lies behind the WTO door is a web of non-tariff barriers.

It's not simple, or easy, or particularly accessible to anyone who doesn't specialise in economics and/or law. I don't. It all looks extremely frightening to a layperson such as me. I don't especially appreciate anyone mocking that, just as I don't think calling leavers thick or racist is especially helpful. I think we can all agree than the WTO/no deal option is the absollute worst of an extremely bad bunch, yes? I don't blame anyone trying to prepare for that and only wish our government had.

We survived before the EU and we will after (but I am anti brexit for the record!!

We also survived pre-internet and online data storage but we'd be pretty fucked if that disappeared overnight.

Back to the trade issue, I'm once again confused.

If we don't add tariffs to imports, does that mean we don't need to check everything coming through? Can we just choose to not add tariffs? It seems to simple an answer to be right. I thought it was the checking things once we no longer have a FTA which was the problem. Do we only check things we are charging tariffs on, is it not a quality check like to make sure we aren't being sent horse meat instead of beef and that kind of thing?

Oh no!!!!

There will be no champagne or fois gras or Brie.

Oh no, we'll have to eat only british food, how awful.

Really extraordinary to regard people deciding to have a few days' needs in stock, months ahead of an entirely possible supply crunch, as 'hysteria'. Possibly the same people who think that those on benefits just didn't buy enough insurance in their youth? I've come across those on Mn before.

frequency I wish we could go back to no internet days-no social media and teenage boys yelling at Fortnite!

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 how about some bitter, spam and Red Leicester? Not doing it for you? 😂

Some people are soooooo dramatic!