To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?

[Laudanumm]

So apparently we're now at very high risk of exiting the EU in March without a trade agreement with the EU. The government wanted to keep it secret, but it's been leaked that the middle of the 3 outcomes they're discussing, so not the bad one, is the port of Dover collapsing on day 1, immediate food shortages and almost immediate petrol and medicine shortages - as in, no food in the supermarkets. It's in the Sunday Times. AIBU to start stockpiling?

If TM had kept Gove and Johnson on the back benches and stood up to their stupid shit, I would have had more respect for her. I would have had some faith in her ability to muddle something workable despite my disagreement with Leave and with the Tories. But I don't.

I watch Question Time sometimes as I think it probably is a reasonable measure of the public mood on Brexit. People do still seem all for it. This also seems to be confirmed by opinion polls with not many changing their minds. People I know just get really angry if you show them how they're wrong, they don't seem to reconsider whether they made the right decision or not.

Anyway, we could march. Anyone going?

www.peoples-vote.uk

TM is in a very difficult position though. Sideline the Brexiteers too much and she could face a leadership challenge.

TM (If still PM) would fly to Brussels and beg

Can anyone - Leaver, Brexiteer or Remainer honestly see that happening ?

TM is in a very difficult position though.

Of her own making, lets not forget.

I watch Question Time sometimes as I think it probably is a reasonable measure of the public mood on Brexit. People do still seem all for it.

There have been many accusations that the BBC - especially via QT - have been so far up Brexits arse, they need scuba gear to breath.

Sorry DG that has really made me laugh! The left wing lovies of the BBC being up the arse of Brexit? seriously?

some of the "we are all doomed, doomed" comments on this thread are just quite frankly laughable.

I will not be stockpiling anything.

I will however be turning my time and effort into looking how I can grow my business post Brexit by taking advantage of any of the opportunities it brings.

too many people are glass half empty and this is just another issue about which they can express that opinion.

remember all those MN threads before the vote about how Armageddon would happen the day after we voted to leave?

Honestly I wish these weren't 30 day threads so that I could go back to some of the posts on here in a years time and just ask "really?".

Not yet, but even you cant deny the rise in every country of anti EU feeling

This is just not true. Support for the EU here in Sweden is rising and currently at an all time high. In Ireland support is over 80 %

So that's two patriotically not storing anything.
Good luck to you and your business @mummymeister . I genuinely wish you well. If your plans succeed, we all succeed.

What's your business @mummymeister?

I ask because I meet exporters all the time through my job (H&S), I've yet to speak to one that's positive about Brexit. They have all just seen it as a challenge to be overcome. It's also starting to create real problems for them as they are wanting to sign contracts with customers overseas that will run after Brexit date and customers are unwilling because nobody knows what the regulatory environment will be.

I am a remainer - I will not be stockpiling. I am a bit of a head-in-the-sand-er though - like probably most of the population - head down and hope for the best...

(Though I am very aware that I do this from a position where I do have a shotgun and plenty of lead)

There won't be shortages, everything will just be more expensive.

So the only reason for doing what you suggest is to save money.

Yup. It'll be like The Road. Only it won't have Marky Mark in it.
Seriously, the world is mad, so feel free to be mad too.

TM is in a very difficult position though. Sideline the Brexiteers too much and she could face a leadership challenge.

She apparently already is, the knives are out, Gove and JRM machinating in the background. Peston was reporting a previous May-loyalist saying she was for the chop after next Weds, depending on the outcome. It's all still wide open. Remember the Tories are primarily doing this for the Tories, not the country.

We can all finish up all the mystery meat in the freezer that we didn’t label ... and all the weird stuff in the cupboard ... microwave quinoa anyone ??

Haven't had time to rtwt but to those who think we won't run out of food etc, did you see what happened to KFC when they had a supply chain problem? Had to close shops as no chicken. Good supply is done on a just in time basis and a lot comes from the EU so we could well experience some of the problems described in that document.
Mummymiester of course you've not experienced significant changes since the referendum, we haven't left the EU! We are still in the systems union and single market, so the only things to happen so far are loss of confidence in the market and loss of inward investment from abroad, which in themselves have been damaging but may not have affected you, unless you've lost your job as a result as many have.

IMO yes.

Storing petrol in a domestic setting is dangerous and the mass panic buying of petrol (or anything is else) is what will cause a shortage in the first place.

Civil servants have probably mapped out every conceivable scenario and this one is just the worse case, and very unlikely to actually happen.

Do not forget tin foil, you will need a lot of hats to survive!

There have been many accusations that the BBC - especially via QT - have been so far up Brexits arse, they need scuba gear to breath

They have similar complains from Leavers, that they criticise Brexit too much and are not positive enough. I think they probably get the mood of the nation about right. The public are woefully uninformed and misinformed about politics and Brexit this is often reflected in the quality of the questions on question time. This isn't a criticism of the electorate btw, the amount of knowledge needed to make a properly informed decision in the referendum was far, far beyond what is reasonable to expect from the average voter in research time and effort. I just feel embarrassed for people who claim they 'know what they voted for' when very clearly, they don't

Can I ask the people who think we'll be fine how they think trade and import will work post Brexit? How are you sure it'll be fine, what are you hoping will happen to prevent Dover grinding to a halt if we crash out?

I am in a niche business which if I said what it was would out me. I completely agree that there is uncertainty at the moment. but there has been uncertainty before and there will be again.

My point supersue was that there were a huge number of posters on here before and during the vote warning of Armageddon immediately after the vote. not after Brexit but after the vote if people voted no.

doom laden prophesy about the stock market plummeting and a run on the banks and the pound becoming like the Lira used to be and on and on and on. Unemployment at 50%, rats in the streets - you get the picture.

and I am afraid that this thread is doing exactly the same thing. we have as yet no idea how this is all going to play out in the short, medium or long term. there are so many other ifs and buts that could impact on our Brexit - look at what is happening in other countries.

what I do know is that all the countries were told that budgets were going to be cut by 25% and of the people I spoke to across a number of EU countries there was an awful lot thinking "shit, why didn't we do more to keep GB in the EU".

just wait and see what will happen when the 25% cut hits all the social programmes and big grant schemes. there will be mass unrest across the EU in the states which were net receivers because they have built their own economic models thinking that this pot of money was theirs for ever. and now it isn't.

Yes you’re an idiot

how many people honestly can say that their lives have radically and irrevocably changed since the Brexit vote?

Don't forget people in the charity sector. My other half works for one that used to get some EU funding, as it had international links. That's been pulled, so redundancies have followed, with more to come down the line.
That's terrible for those losing their jobs, and of course the ones who aren't have to work harder to compensate. It's a real tragedy.

As said, the millenium bug was a fabrication, but gave a few COBOL programmers a bit of work in the lead up. If the Bliar hadn't said on R4 that it wouldn't do any harm for people to stockpile a bit then probably most people would have shown a deal more sense.

Brexit? Probably a different kettle of fish.

I just feel embarrassed for people who claim they 'know what they voted for' when very clearly, they don't - so that applies to the majority of the people who voted in the Referendum, irrespective of how they voted, as the margin was so close?