To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?

[Laudanumm]

So apparently we're now at very high risk of exiting the EU in March without a trade agreement with the EU. The government wanted to keep it secret, but it's been leaked that the middle of the 3 outcomes they're discussing, so not the bad one, is the port of Dover collapsing on day 1, immediate food shortages and almost immediate petrol and medicine shortages - as in, no food in the supermarkets. It's in the Sunday Times. AIBU to start stockpiling?

But don't you realise that it just adds even more fear to the fearful and ardent leavers dismiss it as more evidence of project fear, it is hardening there resolve if anything.

Well I didn't make the decision to leak it did I?

But I have already posted about the tendency of fanatics and cult members to double down on their beliefs when faced with the truth - last time you tried to warn us off telling the truth.

Not every leaver is a fanatic though. Some voted to save the NHS. some voted because they believed we'd be richer. Some voted in response to the Syrian refugee crisis from the time - which barely gets a mention now.
They can all change their minds in the face of the truth.

And then there are all the new young voters who have come of age since 2016. They should be angry that food shortages and riots are going to be the starting point of their adult lives. Young people are traditionally quite lax about voting - they need to be stirred up.

People might get fearful, but they might get angry. They should be angry. We need them to be angry. Because what is happening is worth being angry about - and it is only when we demonstrate that that we may have a chance of stopping it.

You don't have to be middle class A4710Rider to know brexit is going to be an absolute fucking disaster. I'm working class and poor. It's probably more important for me to prep for a crisis purely because I'm financially less able to weather it.

I'm working class and poor. It's probably more important for me to prep for a crisis purely because I'm financially less able to weather it

You'll still get your benefits.

Icantreachthepretzels

What is your view on the current situation in Italy?

You mealy-mouthed, nasty piece of work, Rider.

Whitehall is planning for every scenario. The good, the bad and the Ugly.

It would be criminal if they didn't plan for the worst case scenario.

Yeah I'm rolling in it. Benefits which are never raised in line with inflation. In fact benefits which are frozen while food prices rise. I'm so fucking lucky i bet JRM would swap places with me in a heartbeat.

Rider I actually returned from Italy on Sunday. I was there as the new Govt came in - I was there for their celebrations on Saturday. It was peaceful and happy.
They have no intention of leaving the Euro.
They have a govt.
Every building that flew an Italian flag also flew an EU one. I saw far more EU flags there than I did on my previous visit 2 years ago.
Italian politics have always been dramatic, corruption has always been rife. They manage to get on with on it. This will be no different.

However - what on earth does Italy have to do with this thread? And why on earth would my view on Italy be relevant to it?

If you can't actually argue your brexit case - give up. And maybe consider changing your mind. But FFS don't change the subject - it's rude.

They have a govt

What did you think of the President vetoing the Government coalition?

Whitehall is planning for every scenario. The good, the bad and the Ugly
No. There are reports that tell them about every scenario. Which they are ignoring - hence why the civil servant decided to leak them. But being aware (or refusing to be aware) of every scenario is not the same as planning.
Planning is the EU funding the roro ferry from Ireland. planning is the netherlands starting work expanding their ports and hiring thousands of new officials to deal with the load when brexit occurs.
That isn't happening here.

It would be criminal if they didn't plan for the worst case scenario.
And yet they had no plan in the vent of a leave vote, which - in their opinion - would be a worst case scenario.
Your faith in the govt is touching - but misguided.

What did you think of the President vetoing the Government coalition?

I think I don;t know enough about Italian politics to make an informed decision - and therefore I'm best not to comment.
If only more people recognised when they didn't know enough to make an informed decision we wouldn't be in this brexit mess.

I'd ask you what you think about it. But I don't care. This is a thread about brexit. Not Italy. Stop changing the subject. Bow out gracefully if you can't debate the subject at hand. and stop derailing.

I will not answer you about Italy again. It is a derail. because you have nothing positive to say about Brexit and are too pigheaded to admit you were wrong.

Apologies to every other poster for a second reply to this derailer. I won't do it again.

What Icantreachthepretzels said.

I do wonder sometimes how many Brexiteers spend time down by Dover or other major ports and realised just how much constant, constant traffic is coming into the country every hour and the impact of just a small hold up. I really hope it all will work well, but unlike the YK2 Bug that so much work was done for, Brexit is a massive beast and the Govt are sadly in charge.....politicians....who are not necessarily qualified in anything other than politics.

@A4710Rider , your naivety would be touching if it wasn't so silly.

I think I don;t know enough about Italian politics to make an informed decision - and therefore I'm best not to comment

Well you seemed quite happy to comment on it in an earlier post until I pointed out something your probably should have known. What with being in Italy and everything.

I've got a plan to win the lottery but I still went to work. I'm furious that my lottery plan is actually better worked out than Brexit.
Since Brexit I've been told that Greece, Netherlands, Basque in Spain and Italy are the next leavers when in fact they aren't desperate to join in our self imposed exile.
It was, and is a stupid idea and the fact that the government are still arguing over which plan (both of which have already been rejected by the EU) is insane.
I'm guessing that the civil servant is baffled by how eager people are to believe in 'ignore it and it will be fine'.

If it’s hysteria, can we expect a pledge of non-preparation?

Any sensible prepper knows the first rule of prepping is we don't talk about our preps. But that's in real life. Here in MN a "non-prepping" pledge by Brexiteers would be fun. Meaningless, but fun.

Yes rider, because obviously if you don't know enough about a country to offer a superb analysis of its political situation, historical influence on current democracy and jump to it on threads about something else, than obviously you shouldn't visit in.
Now, can I seek your opinion on the plan to have the emergency lane M25 as a lorry park for Dover, the results of customs on JIT deliveries and the push from US farmers to have the UK drop food and animal health standards to open up trading?

So people are either being serious or joking that they are hoarding, planning on doing nothing or planning on taking from others either a business, a family member or neighbour?

So nobody who is serious is organising a local community Brexit food bank?

You are all just think of yourselves?

Apologies for derail

No rider - I told you what I had seen - experienced first hand in Italy (Rome - I can't speak for the rest of the country). However the president rejected the coalition back in May (end of). I wasn't there then. The new govt came in on Thursday(?) (I remember reading the Italian newspaper on the metro but I'm not sure which day that was) That is what I commented on. The current situation is they have a govt. And it is a peaceful and happy - and if the flags are anything to go by - pro EU place.

What I can;t comment on is if the president was a) within his rights to reject the coalition or b) right to do so. Because I do not know enough about the Italian law, I do not know enough about the coalition govt he rejected, I'm not sure what the presidents politics are and what he was hoping to prevent by not allowing them.
I do not know enough to tell you if it was a brave move that has helped to protect the country from unstable politicians with fringe causes (like returning to the lira). Or if it was a totalitarian move that blocked the democratic process.

It seems to me that he probably does have the right to block a govt forming (as he did so) and that the Italians purposefully wrote that clause into their constitution.

But I do not know enough about Italian politics to tell you if in this particular case it was a good or bad thing.

How does this relate to brexit again?
Oh yes - it doesn't. You're just attempting to point score on an unrelated subject because brexit is such a fucking disaster you acknowledge you can't defend it.

^Yes rider, because obviously if you don't know enough about a country to offer a superb analysis of its political situation, historical influence on current democracy and jump to it on threads about something else, than obviously you shouldn't visit in.*

I know right - how dare I go on holiday to a place without first getting an in depth understanding of exactly what is going on there right now and why - and how it all came to be.

It was Rome rider I wasn't interested in any politics that was carried out by anybody later than Hadrian. I didn't look at the internet once. Literally anything could have happened anywhere and I wouldn't have known - I was too busy enjoying the beautiful surroundings and the glorious sunshine.

Obviously rider spends their vacations boning up on current political situations - but I'm afraid I don't . I sight see.
But I did notice the EU flags. And their national day on Saturday did go off without a hitch. Everyone was just getting on with their lives. Everything was fine. Regardless of what the president had done.

@OneHourTwentyFourMinutes - this is me being serious. I have food, water, heat, light and shelter plans for me and my family.
I do not intend to help anyone who is not in that immediate group unless they can be helpful to me. My days of being altruistic ended when the Leave vote won.

The point of being a prepped is to protect yourself and be ready to deal with any issues that affect your family.
So no I won't be helping anyone if brexit goes tits up. Especially not leave voters.

So nobody who is serious is organising a local community Brexit food bank?

Considering the number of people telling people who are thinking of prepping that they are being hysterical - it will be quite a difficult thing to organise. It won't be taken seriously.
If you are worried prep. if you're not - don't. Simple. Everyone has the opportunity to prep.

The reason I won't start a community brexit food bank is because I refuse to give food to a leaver. This is all their fault. And how would I know? I might eat one, but damned if I'm feeding the fuckers.

I live in an area where the majority voted Leave by a large margin. Fuck 'em. They can all starve. Help me where I need it and I can trust you and I might reconsider.
The churches can run food banks. At a weak moment, and especially if there is something in it for me and mine, I might donate the odd tin. I might even tell who ever runs it how to make a composting toilet to stop the spread of disease. That's it.