To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?

[Laudanumm]

So apparently we're now at very high risk of exiting the EU in March without a trade agreement with the EU. The government wanted to keep it secret, but it's been leaked that the middle of the 3 outcomes they're discussing, so not the bad one, is the port of Dover collapsing on day 1, immediate food shortages and almost immediate petrol and medicine shortages - as in, no food in the supermarkets. It's in the Sunday Times. AIBU to start stockpiling?

Kursk well done, so why do you bother wasting your time on here? when it wont effect you,
The financial crash. missed by everybody inc the Mighty EU,

with your great vision perhaps you could come back and run this country

You voted Leave? This, all if it, is your fault. If it turns out as great as you say, you can take the credit for it. I'll happily give it to you because it'll be great for me too. But if it is completely shit, ditto.

I work for the current government. Who work for the public benefit and therefore as a civil servant I work for the public.

Why should they leak it? To show what's going on perhaps right now the government is keeping everything a secret regarding brexit letting everyone think it is all fine and dandy when it bloody well isn't. Me and my colleagues are working our arses off trying to get everything in order while they fuck around with people's lives and then don't have the decency to let them know what they're doing.

GhostofFrankGrime i didn't say leave, the rise in votes for parties with anti EU, Immigration, Euro polices

Do you see isolationist, populist, xenophobic attitudes as a good thing? If all other countries followed the UK how would it help anyone? It would lead to suspicion, isolationism and potentially military conflict.

lostinsunshine since when is project fear becoming project sense ?
blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/01/23/project-fear-was-groundless-the-uk-economy-has-been-remarkably-resilient/

user, the UK has not yet left the EU.

@user1486062886 - we haven't left yet.

Icantreachthepretzels If you are so certain that its going to be doomsday you think it will be,

I don't even know where this came from. This isn't in response to anything I've said since when you posted this I hadn't posted since the previous night - and that was about fruit pickers.

I really wish you'd start addressing other people. I don;t like you and I don't enjoy talking with you.
But I am aware of lurkers on the thread - and GFs cannot be left to spread their shit without rebuttal, in case anyone falls for it.

But with a weary sigh I will once more patiently explain that it is not me that thinks it is going to be doomsday. It is a govt report. I am still clinging to the belief that actually the whole thing will be cancelled. Failing that, i hope they decide to go EEA/ EFTA because it delivers brexit and solves all the unsolveable problems - though that will be an utter waste of time.

However, nothing the govt has done so far fills me with confidence that they will do the sensible thing. In which case, we crash out by default. And the govt report tells us it will be dooms day. As does any basic understanding of customs and supply chains.

But it is not acceptable to tell people born in this country - whose every traceable ancestor was born in this country - that if they don;t like it they can get out. That isn't the way a democracy works, sunshine. If you don't like things you protest. And if you fear the country you love is about to make a catastrophic mistake - you fight it - you do not run away.

If we crash into a doomsday scenario from which there is no recovery visible, I may attempt to emigrate (though this will be harder once I'm no longer an EU citizen) but I'm not going a moment before. I love Britain. And I'm going to fight to get it back from the racists and the fascists that have taken over.

Irish citizen here (thanks mum) - getting my passport. So, if it really goes tits up, me, DH and our daughter can be part of the comedy memes about boats to Ireland.

GhostofFrankGrimes this is the trouble now ,it was said in the event of a leave vote an immediate and severe etc this is why many people do not believe the so called experts now and every bit of bad news is brushed of as more project fear, unfortunately and they are going to see how it pans out with there own eyes.

@user1486062886 , which "clever people" are you believing now. You put a lot of store in clever people that agree with you.

User, projections were always based on LEAVING the EU, not deciding to leave. Its very simple to follow. I have not seen one report that suggests leaving the EU will be beneficial for individuals or the country.

I'm feeling pretty emotional about this at the moment.

We live in germany and the bloody worry (and likely bankruptcy) if we lost our rights to live here and be forced back to the UK makes me fucking sick. I hate every single person who voted leave. I don't care what your reasons were, they were rubbish ones. YOUR vote is ruining lives right now, people are losing their jobs right now because of brexit and we haven't even left yet. You stole my childrens' future and I'll never forgive that. Hopefully we can build up enough residency here to get permanent status and give our LOs opportunities again. But not for your kids, you threw that away by voting leave.

Britain will get the brexit they deserve. If remainers don't stand up and shout for our democracy then this is on you. Leavers who have changed their minds but not campaigning for our democracy, then this is on you. And for all those unrepentant leave voters that still believe in the lies of brexit, then good for you, enjoy poverty.

In addition, the government are turning into a dictatorship by the back door. Sovereignty my arse. Taking back control my arse. We have both those things right now as part of the EU. We'll be a vassle state post-brexit. Then leavers will really have something to moan about!

here endeth my spleen venting, let the flaming begin

User did my answer help you. Or choosing to ignore a civil servants opinion?

Nice talking to you all, i have to go to work now,
FYI i fully expect us to stay in the EU and all this will have been a waste of time and money, It should have never gone to a public vote if the government could not carry out the wishes of the majority. it has just caused division and anger between people which may never be patched up, Of course i want the GB to be the best that it can, but we need to close the massive gaps appearing in society between the halves and the have nots,

I think i'll will invest in a generator before the price goes up.

If remainers don't stand up and shout for our democracy then this is on you

What do you think of the situation in Italy with regards to democracy?

Fanny, I hope you get residency sorted out. I'm not optimistic that this can change. Our democracy spoke in its cackhanded way enough for us to give the Leave vote all that power. Cameron gambled without safeguards. May took it forward because the fuckers who dreamt it up were too shit to take over their own party.
Personally, I wish we would stop now, piss off some twats who deserve to be pissed off but I can't see we will.
If that knob, Corbyn actually meant Remain and stood on that platform I might consider holding my nose and voting for Labour again.

@user1486062886 don't waste your money in a generator. Plant your veg garden, get some camping supplies in. Think about light and heating off grid.
And in the unlikely event we get a second referendum vote in a way that stops this insanity.

And in the unlikely event we get a second referendum vote in a way that stops this insanity

After what's happened in Italy, a 2nd Referendum is a possibility.

user1486062886

I have experienced similar events and I am a Prepper so I am here to share my knowledge/experience. This threat started as someone asking for prepping advice.

I also still have family in the UK, so UK related matters still affects me in some way.

I'm looking at getting an irish passport too. Only through my grandma so no benefit to my kids in the short term.

so if accommodation is sorted, it can be for the people coming to do the work,
Oh my FUCKING GOD user of course accommodation can be sorted - that's not the fucking point! The point is the migrant workers chose to come here of their own volition. The unemployed are being taken out of their own homes and place in accommodation they haven't agreed to to do a job they don;t want to do and are possibly unfit to do.
can you really not see the difference? of course you can. Goady fucker goady fucker goady fucker.

I kept forgetting every person that is unfortunate to be unemployed is at home looking after kids, there are no single young, middle aged, two parent families, that could do the work, i'm a working mum and in my job i have to work away from home time to time, that's different i suppose
You are so hard of thinking you are embarrassing yourself. And the embarrassing thing is - you don;t even know it. OK so in your grand work scheme it isn't 'the long term unemployed' it's the long term unemployed that fit a certain criteria.
*They have to be young and fit enough to do the work.
*And single
*or have access to free child care.
That really narrows down the amount of people doing it - so I'm guessing they don't have an option to say 'no'. Which makes what you are suggesting indentured servitude. Absolutely fucking unacceptable

Two parent families is still splitting the family up if one has to go against their will to pick fruit for a pittance. Which parent stays at home? Or do they rotate? If they are unmarried, and both long term unemployed - does the state recognise their relationship and allow one to stay with the children - or are they risking their benefits being stopped for not turning up to the fields?

Just because some families are two parent families doesn't make your idea a good or workable one. Because it will not be workable for a wide range of long term unemployed people for a wide range of reasons. And either they are forced into anyway despite family break up/ disability/ age which is unconscionable. Or the burden falls on the tiny percentage who fit the mould - and they therefore cannot say 'no' - and are then open to all sorts of potential abuse. Absolutely unconscionable.

Child care provision in this country is a disgrace. No arguments there. But yes, it is very different - a working mother putting her child in with a child minder for the working day and then returning at night, to a child being put into care whilst their parent works miles away on a farm, picking fruit.
You seem to keep missing this. They won't be going home every night. Because they may be miles and miles away. Either their children are separated from them for the duration, or they are uprooted and taken with. Neither of those is workable or acceptable. And only an unfeeling, unempathetic, fascist leaning bastard would ever suggest it.

Just as an aside - does anyone on this thread believe that user is a) a mother or b) a woman?

The levels of hysteria by the middle classes never fails to amazing me. You can almost taste it.

Can I just point out that the picking season isn't just six weeks over the summer. Picking is near year round in Cornwall. Pickers generally stay in caravans or other accommodation in the farms. They then move from farm to farm as the picking season progresses. You can't tell people to take their kids to live an itinerant life, leave their homes and their school places.

It's not hysteria. It's the real life truth from some of the most aware people in the UK.the civil service