To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?

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So apparently we're now at very high risk of exiting the EU in March without a trade agreement with the EU. The government wanted to keep it secret, but it's been leaked that the middle of the 3 outcomes they're discussing, so not the bad one, is the port of Dover collapsing on day 1, immediate food shortages and almost immediate petrol and medicine shortages - as in, no food in the supermarkets. It's in the Sunday Times. AIBU to start stockpiling?

Icantreachthepretzels It is not up to me to come up with a plan for the NI border, that's why with have clever people in government departments, I will gladly accept a job if they would like to offer me one,
This gets me again and again Kick out EU migrants after 6 months, how do you find them to start of with, how do you define self sufficient, could be sleeping on a mates floor in between work, been home and only just come back to start the 6 months ball rolling again, cost of deportation, can come back the next day as we don't track people in or out, Can use the NHS system without them or their parents or grand parents paying into the system and many more things I can list,
I think you will find most peoples problem with uncontrolled immigration is in the low skilled sector and despite gov reports the lowering of wages, no planning in infrastructure, not enough houses. schools , hospital dentists , social services, etc .how can you plan for the future when you don't know what the population will be 5-10 years in the future, Yes a lot of these things is the gov's fault but the local people didn't like the previous and existing governments doing nothing about it, different governments same problem, so unfortunately the referendum was a way to change things

I don’t think it’s too far gone. Still time for a vote on the terms of the deal - or a vote to bin Brexit, if there’s no deal, rather than leave with no deal.
Yes, I’m pretty sure the EU would let us stay in, it’s in their interests to do that, as well as ours. We (the UK) have been damaged and weakened by this , but much more damage will be done if we actually Brexit.

@user1486062886 - you put a lot of faith in "clever" people.

wholly I personally believe that the sudden loss of 30% of our food supply would probably have a significant impact on the prices of the other 70% . And we already have hundreds of thousands using food banks...

Yes it may not have happened yet but there are loads of stories from business, education, research, medicine showing we are already loosing out. I believe it's also contributed to the drop in applications for nurses and carers from the EU too. Excellent.

I am a pretty smart and sensible person, but i am becoming properly worried now.

lostinsunshine because only clever people would but such a big decision to the general public without a full a clear plan what they would do after the vote, wouldn't they, surely

Question: if we do say oops fucked it up and decide actually we want to stay... can we? Or are we too far gone? Or can the EU hold us to our decision and say nope, you have to go?

The (British) man who wrote the article 50 clause says it can be revoked at any time prior to exit day. There is some disagreement as to whether this is true - whether we can simply say that and that's it - or whether the EU would all have to agree to it. A decision on this is being fought all the way to (ironically) the European courts.

However even if all EU27 member states did have to agree to it - there is no reason to assume they wouldn't. The Irish border for one. the 3 million EU citizens here in Britain for another. The fact that we are a net contributor (yes they can do without us - but they would rather not.) Gibraltar. The wishes of the 48%.
A decision to make us stick to article 50 would be one of sheer spite - and - and this I cannot emphasise enough - the EU have not been spiteful in their negotiations they have simply adhered to the rules of the club. Rules we helped to write.
Several Brussels bigwigs and EU nation leaders have said time and again that the door is still open. They would be happy for us to reconsider.

I don't know why lost is being so doom and gloom about this aspect of it. There is no reason or legal inhibitor the govt cannot choose to give us another referendum - or a people's vote, and there is every chance the EU would welcome us back with open arms.
We may not get to keep all the cushty perks we had before 2016 - but we would be no worse off than any of the other nations. And quite frankly I would accept the Euro and schengen as the price to remain, if that is what they asked for. (which they wouldn't).

Yes a lot of these things is the gov's fault but the local people didn't like the previous and existing governments doing nothing about it, different governments same problem, so unfortunately the referendum was a way to change things

Do you see the contradiction here? You recognise the UK's problems are caused by British governments but you decide to blame the EU.

@user1486062886 - turns out No. it was a gamble to sort out an internal Tory party battle that backfired. There was no plan.

Icantreachthepretzels very good post , but you has to spoil it by mentioning Euro and Schengen, that would be a definite no no,

Well,@Icantreachthepretzels , you are right. Legally we could unring this particular bell and hope we can get the moderately sweet deal we had as a detached member.
Could you imagine what would happen if we tried? There really would be civil unrest from all the idiots that are on here and their even more idiotic mates. All the people who think we will have a graceful and not at all fucked up departure will sung a different tune if we stayed.

We were never in the Euro. Or schengen. Ever.

GhostofFrankGrimes but the existing and previous governments were not doing anything about it apart from calling people bigots and not listen to genuine peoples concerns

I know and I would be very surprised if people were ready to give up the pound,

GhostofFrankGrimes but the existing and previous governments were not doing anything about it apart from calling people bigots and not listen to genuine peoples concerns

Brexit will make the country poorer. There will be no money to address peoples concerns. Regions like Cornwall and Wales will lose EU funding and become poorer.

So the fact that the government wasn't addressing people 's concerns is a good reason to smash everything up? Teenagers behave like that.

user If you voted leave then you should have an idea about the NI border - after all you knew what you were voting for. How can that be true if you don't know the answer to NI? I'm afraid the two positions are mutually exclusive.

France, the Netherlands, Belgium all manage to be tougher on EU immigration. If you are not self sufficient (i.e if you are claiming benefits and not paying tax) then they tell you to leave. I am not sure what mechanisms they have in place to monitor this - but don't you think simply asking them would be a more sensible option than pulling out of the EU altogether because of immigration fears?
The rules are there to allow us to remove EU citizens who don't pull their weight (which FYI is not many of them). It is up to us to implement those rules. Complaining it is too difficult is just a cop out - and in the case of the govt - yet another example of poor governance.

You keep mentioning clever people.
.how can you plan for the future when you don't know what the population will be 5-10 years in the future,
There are clever people whose job it is to forecast this type of thing. then they write reports - for the govt - along with suggestions. Whether or not the govt follow those suggestions is down to them.
But even if there was a total black hole of knowledge when it came to predicting the population - that is still no excuse for voting to blow away everything the country has had for 40 years.

I understand the manifold reasons people chose to vote leave. I respect none of them. You don't have to explain what they are to me. Sometimes in a situation there are two sides to the story. Sometimes in a situation there is a right side and a wrong side.
Brexit is the latter.
And even if people voted the wrong thing for the right reasons - they still voted for the wrong thing. And just because they voted to make things better doesn't mean that things won't get worse.
And as evidence emerges of just how much worse things can get, it is only right, sensible and democratic to reevaluate that vote.

lostinsunshine It is up to the PM and other party leaders to come out and say that we are not leaving the EU, if the GB will be in a very bad position, it is their duty too even if they all have to step down and form another government, What civil unrest will take place, yes out of the 17.4 million there will be a few idiots, as there is a few idiots in every walk of live, Its up to the government now, only they can stop this, if they feel they should for the good of the british people.

GhostofFrankGrime I appreciate all of this, but why didn't the government listen to people not a few, lots of people.

Ok so I have a question. A few pages ago I posted that I thought that shit would hit the fan and the government would decide Brexit couldn’t/wouldn’t happen.

What’s the chances that if our government wanted to pull out of Brexit that we would be allowed to, but we would have to start using € instead of £.

I think we would become quite vulnerable to whatever EU was to demand of Britain to continue to be a member state.

I don’t know much about politics so really I could be way off.

GhostofFrankGrime I appreciate all of this, but why didn't the government listen to people not a few, lots of people.

Because under FPTP you need a bare minimum to scrape over the line. Elections are won on marginal seats. Why would the Tories give a toss about deprived Labour voting areas when they don't need them to win?

I doubt they'd make us use the Euro if we stayed but our chances of getting the kind of reforms we want would be scuppered for a while.

Over the years the UK has had opt outs and concessions wrt EU membership. If Brexit was cancelled a quiet period of reflection from the UK would be in order.

Legally we could unring this particular bell and hope we can get the moderately sweet deal we had as a detached member.
Could you imagine what would happen if we tried? There really would be civil unrest from all the idiots that are on here and their even more idiotic mates.

But there's going to be riots and civil unrest anyway. So we can have utter chaos with no end in sight and no hope for the future, food shortages and soldiers on the streets.
Or something that would amount to a rerun of the 2011 riots. Bad, yes - but short lived and easily cleaned up.

And whilst I personally advocate the govt just doing their fucking job and cancelling brexit and brooking no argument - a people's vote is democratic the rioters wouldn't have a leg to stand on. They can hardly spend 2 years parroting 'you lost get over it' and then riot when the tables turn. Well they can - but they will be a laughing stock - and then a laughing stock in prison when they are arrested for rioting.

I would be very surprised if people were ready to give up the pound,
I'm afraid any attachment I ever felt to the pound, or belief in its importance, was destroyed on 23rd June 2016. I don't want to get rid of it - but for me if it was a straight choice between living in brexitland with a devalued pound or remaining and joining the Euro - it would be a no brainer.

But I repeat, the EU will not make us to join the Euro in return for letting us stay in the club. the pound is far too unstable for them to risk it at the moment nor would they make us join schengen. That is simply the price I personally would be willing to pay. Everyone else is well within their rights to passionately disagree - it is all hypothetical.

Microwave rice would be a better rice to stock. You can cook it in a pan with a spoon of water in only two minutes. I often use it for stir fries.

My biggest worry is that DS has ASD and is a really picky eater. Most of what he will eat is fresh. If things are chaotic he will start to panic, if he's hungry he will become very agitated, if there is no broadband and he can't calm himself down by playing on his phone there will be meltdowns. Add to that he has special meds made up for him, we are so screwed.

On the plus side my peri menopausal hot flushes will negate any need for heating.

I don't think the government will purposely take us to the edge. The problem is that this is the default position and we could end up there by accident. The government are not very competent and there are powerful people who would quite like the chaos.

I think the EU will absorb the costs. It will hit them, but they will look at us and think well, it could be worse. The newer EU states have high growth at the moment. I think they will start to buy and do more, like holidays on the med. I think we'll be missed, but they will have recovered from brexit, while we are still be in the crisis period.

Oh and by the way, I'm not a Soros bot, although i wouldn't say no if he wanted to send me some money....

lostinsunshine because only clever people would but such a big decision to the general public without a full a clear plan what they would do after the vote, wouldn't they, surely

Boaty McBoatface was surely a sign......