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To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?

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Laudanumm · 03/06/2018 21:18

So apparently we're now at very high risk of exiting the EU in March without a trade agreement with the EU. The government wanted to keep it secret, but it's been leaked that the middle of the 3 outcomes they're discussing, so not the bad one, is the port of Dover collapsing on day 1, immediate food shortages and almost immediate petrol and medicine shortages - as in, no food in the supermarkets. It's in the Sunday Times. AIBU to start stockpiling?

To stockpile food, medicine and petrol?
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user1486062886 · 04/06/2018 20:12

Icantreachthepretzels as I said earlier its not up to me re NI border, there are people that work in NI and the government that will know more than me or should.
you can be working in the black market and not paying tax you know and still be using services, Really ask them to leave, its that simple, if only we had been doing that,
If can tell you don't like listen to peoples concerns, just like the government that's why we are in this position now.
I can only presume you have a well paid job, live in a lovely house have private med insurance and kids must go to private school , over wise the levels of immigration would have effected you

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/06/2018 20:19

re NI border, there are people that work in NI and the government that will know more than me or should.

The NI assembly collapsed well over a year ago. People in NI do not want Brexit (voted remain). The British government has had 2 years to come up with a workable plan for NI. At what point will leavers accept that this isnt going to work out?

SusanWalker · 04/06/2018 20:21

user1486062886

I am poor. I live in a deprived area. I live in an HA property. We live hand to mouth every month. I have not been disadvantaged by immigration. In fact it's the opposite. The last two doctors my dd saw were german and one of them damn near saved her life as she was so ill.

My area receives high levels of EU funding. I'm not holding my breath on that being replaced by the UK government. That's a much bigger worry in my book.

Kursk · 04/06/2018 20:22

The government is in a tough situation. If they back out of leaving. They are going against a majority democratic vote. Civil unrest likely.

If they go ahead with a hard Brexit. They will have economic turmoil and civil unrest.

They are screwed either way. I suspect those in power are using the time to get assets and family out the country while they can

user1486062886 · 04/06/2018 20:31

Kursk I don't see what civil unrest there would be, not all leave voters are idiots despite what you may think

user1486062886 · 04/06/2018 20:34

SusanWalker you are very lucky then, I can tell you of many true stories were it has, I am not saying all immigration is bad, its not

freegazelle · 04/06/2018 20:34

@icantreach

re. Mechanisms of monitoring EU immigration - in Sweden for example you can't do anything without an ID card, even getting a sim card, let alone renting somewhere. For an EU citizen to get an ID card, you need to show you have a job or enough funds to be self sufficient. You can't claim benefits until have paid into the system. Everything is so regulated its pretty difficult - I tried to move to Sweden once and failed.

Icantreachthepretzels · 04/06/2018 20:35

as I said earlier its not up to me re NI border, there are people that work in NI and the government that will know more than me or should.

Yes there are people who should know more than you. But if you vote for something that will reignite the civil war in NI - then you cannot claim you knew what you were voting for unless you believed you already knew what the solution was at the time of casting your vote. I'm afraid it really is that simple. Either you voted knowing how to solve the resulting Ni crisis - or you didn't understand the consequences of your vote.
So either admit you didn't know what you were voting for or stop refusing responsibility.

you can be working in the black market and not paying tax you know and still be using services, Really ask them to leave, its that simple, if only we had been doing that,
Yes people doing illegal things will always be a problem. That does not mean we should tear away all the laws or stop trying to implement them Hmm. But expert analysis of immigration shows it is beneficial to the UK. Unskilled migrants do the jobs British citizens don't want to. They do not take citizens jobs (see fruit picking - and crops rotting in fields last year) Many EU citizens are skilled and bring much needed expertise to the country. All illegal immigrants can be deported if they are found - as can all EU citizens who are not adhering to the ground rules. This is a tiny tiny problem that the media has blown way out of proportion by the media. It is a dog whistle scare story with the aim of diverting people's rage onto a vulnerable group and allowing the govt to do whatever they want with regards to austerity because they point the finger at the immigrants. And those who are very hard of thinking believe them.
But yes, if the govt properly set up and funded an agency aimed at maintaining the EU rules on immigration, then they could clamp down on any EU freeloaders. Would they get every one? No. But would they limit the problem? Yes.
Except - the reason the govt don;t do anything is because EU immigration is not and never was a problem. The amount of EU immigrants claiming benefits long term, or working the black market, or kipping on mates floors is so negligibly minute that it is simply not worth their time to sort it.
However - if other countries can do it - yes so can we. That really is the long and short of it.

If can tell you don't like listen to peoples concerns, just like the government that's why we are in this position now.
Explaining to someone why they have made a poor decision -p and how this will affect them detrimentally is not the same as not listening to their concerns. None of the concerns most people have will be fixed by Brexit. Many of those concerns will be worsened. People should be told that - but nice attempt at judgemental Hmm

I can only presume you have a well paid job, live in a lovely house have private med insurance and kids must go to private school
Nice assumptions. Literally not a one of them is right. But nice assumptions.
If you're reading of the brexit situation is as good as you're reading of me - then once more you have exposed yourself to every other poster as being someone without the first fucking clue of what they are talking about.

over wise the levels of immigration would have effected you

and there we have it folks. The mask slips and user finally lurches into naked and blatant racism. What a surprise.

No immigration hasn't 'affected' me - because I am happy to share this land with anyone who wants to be here and is willing to work. I do know and have worked with a shit load of immigrants though. The country is richer for them being here - and they are not taking anything from anybody.

user1486062886 · 04/06/2018 20:36

freegazelle now that's sounds like a good system if only are government had something like this, OH yes people didn't want ID cards

Icantreachthepretzels · 04/06/2018 20:37

I don;t believe we need to monitor Eu immigration freegazelle my point is just that legally we can, and physically it is possible as others do it. The choice not to is ours alone. I believe that is the right choice.

user1486062886 · 04/06/2018 20:47

Icantreachthepretzels And there we have it the racism card is played,

If we can do it why haven't we,
I have no problem with controlled immigration and I also work with immigrants like UK people some good some bad, It has affected me and my family and many other people and by the votes cast many other people, What is wrong with controlled immigration ?
Fruit picking the remainers default position,

Icantreachthepretzels · 04/06/2018 20:48

if only are government had something like this, OH yes people didn't want ID cards

The ID cards our govt tried to bring in would have cost billions and included biometric data linked to a database - which would have been massively unsafe and caused no end of trouble when it was inevitably hacked - as well as being a huge violation of privacy. We were right to reject them.

I can't speak for Sweden, but in France - the mandatory ID are literally a passport photo/ name/ address/ date of both. Basically a drivers license but one that doesn't give you the right to drive. They are incredibly cheap both to issue and purchase - and come with no more threat of fraud than a driver's license or passport.

I don't want ID cards of any sort. I don't think they are necessary. But to compare the labour govt plans with what they have on the continent is false equivalency.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/06/2018 20:48

user,

unemployment is low. Certain sectors are reliant of immigration - health care, farming, hospitality.

TenuedeNimes · 04/06/2018 20:48

Yeah who needs fruit anyway Confused

user1486062886 · 04/06/2018 20:49

Icantreachthepretzels we differ in so manyways, I have no problem with ID cards

Kursk · 04/06/2018 20:53

user1486062886

I don’t think anything about either side. How we got here it irreverent at this point. The important thing is to concentrate on preparing for the upcoming issue

user1486062886 · 04/06/2018 20:58

GhostofFrankGrimes yet with still have 1.5 million unemployed

Icantreachthepretzels · 04/06/2018 20:58

If we can do it why haven't we

BECAUSE IT ISN'T ACTUALLY A PROBLEM. THERE IS NO NEED. 'immigrants' ''stealing our jobs' 'using our services' is simply hysteria whipped up by the likes of the Daily Mail - who hate foreigners.
The govt don't mind having this fear whipped up, because it gives them a group to blame when people complain about job shortages - or not being able to get in to see a doctor. It means they don't have to admit the you can't see a doctor because they don;t fund the NHS properly. Or that you don't have a job because economic growth is poor - on account of their terrible economic decisions. It behooves them to have a scapegoat. Why would they get rid of them? When they can simply promise to get rid of them and win votes and then renege on it?

OK - fruit picking isn't good enough (though that is one area where the workers are mostly EU and mostly 'unskilled' - most EU migrants are 'skilled') but they also make up a massive proportion of the care sector, the hospitality sector and the health service.
And leaving the EU will not do anything to limit the number of commonwealth immigrants or illegal immigrants or legal immigrants from other part of the world or refugees and asylum seekers. And I have already posted - a trade deal with China and India is entirely dependent on our extending them more visas.

There was no problem with immigration - and if there was, leaving the EU would not solve it. But nevertheless the ability to limit EU migration was always there and we simply never bothered to implement it. To claim anything else is a lie.

Icantreachthepretzels · 04/06/2018 21:02

Icantreachthepretzels we differ in so manyways

and?

What is your point?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/06/2018 21:10

GhostofFrankGrimes yet with still have 1.5 million unemployed

The economy has tanked since the referendum and companies, particularly in banking are leaving the UK. Your vote hasn't exactly helped the unemployed has it?

MadeleineMaxwell · 04/06/2018 21:15

They are screwed either way

Yeah, pretty much. I suspect there's a buttload of scrabbling going on backstage at Downing Street. What was essentially a means of shutting up the far-right of the Tory party and clawing back voters from UKIP has turned into this shit show. And they all know it's a shit show. ArchBrexiteer Farridge himself has admitted it's a shit show.

So the Tories now have a choice to make: go ahead with Brexit and be voted out of power for the next 20 years when everyone, left, right, centre, communist, capitalist, everyone apart from the 1% sees themselves poorer by upwards of £2k a year and losing the NHS, then watch as the next generation takes us back into the EU, in Schengen, in the euro, the whole shebang.

Or, call another election, lose it and watch while Labour eats itself and carries the can for it.

What I personally wish they'd do is show some fucking humility, hold their hands up and admit they've cocked it up. Cancel the thing. It's unworkable. Take it on the chin. Pigs will fly before they do, though.

user1486062886 · 04/06/2018 21:24

BECAUSE IT ISN'T ACTUALLY A PROBLEM. THERE IS NO NEED. Oh is that why more than 17.4 million vote to leave the EU, yes I grant you other people will have other reasons.
And please what is it with this Daily Mail rubbish, ive never read it, it seems like all remainers read it because its all they keep on about.
I'll say it again there is nothing wrong with controlled immigration and I am very grateful to all the people working in the care etc industries.
The more people with have the more people we need . where will the population be in 20 + years, what is GB max population you would be happy with ?

user1486062886 · 04/06/2018 21:26

GhostofFrankGrimes I think you will find we have more people in employment than ever

GhostofFrankGrimes · 04/06/2018 21:27

GhostofFrankGrimes I think you will find we have more people in employment than ever

just don't mention under employment, low pay, zero hour contracts..

safariboot · 04/06/2018 21:30

If it becomes obvious that there are shortages of essential goods due to customs checks, I see no reason the government couldn't simply suspend the customs checks. Wave the lorries through and worry about tariffs and duties later or never. Simple as.