To think rapists do not belong in women’s prisons

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I know it’s already happened but seems there are other violent male prisoners hoping to move to female prisons. I’d really like to hear what female prisoners feel about this as the article claims many feel intimidated. This just seem absolutely crazy that this is happening - is there no though or concern all for the women prisoners? I just can’t get my head around this logic.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

Yes, prisons should be separated by genitalia. Or perhaps a separate wing for trans prisoners would be the best solution. I’m struggling to understand why the prison system now seems to be pandering to these criminals? The whole point of prison is that you have liberties removed, why are there professionals that are clearly deciding to ok these moves? I think we need to have a system similar to Ireland where normal non criminal trans people can obtain their GRC’s with out years of bureaucracy, but if you commit crimes and still have a penis, it’s men’s or trans prison for you.

Not personally but I have a friend who has served a few short term sentences (not making excuses for her but the crimes weren't violent rather MH/alcohol related) she's an abuse victim as are many women inside.

She was scared of this happening especially after all the press coverage on Huntley. Others too.

At the time she was in an abusive relationship on the outside, being in prison kept her safer sadly. She was in with some horrible people as well Rose West probably the most well known and wasn't scared (although she's still segregated even now) but she is unsurprising still fearful of men.

Prison really helped her in regards to the drinking and coming to terms with the abuse. It gave her the confidence to leave her violent partner when she got out. She's now doing really well and I'm proud of her.

samueledotericson

Exactly, glad we are in agreement. No msles including Hitler and Tony Blair in women’s prisons.

I've reported myself... for having quoted the now happily deleted twattish posts. Sorry!

I'm not sure if I'm being dim or missing something here, but surely if you're in prison for rape/sexual assault you will be kept in isolation regardless of your gender, or at least closely monitored/watched when in contact with other people?

No. If you are categorised as a category b prisoner then you a free to roam around your wing during association. The only exception to this is people that have committed sexual offences against children, they go to the vulnerable prisoners wing.

We have transwomen in the male estate that I work in, they are kept on either the vulnerable prisoners wing or in healthcare. They shouldn't be transferred to a female estate whilst they have a penis. Most transwomen in prison have no intention of having gender dysphoria surgery so they will remain in the male estate.

What people are forgetting is prisons are separated by biological sex and not gender, so self declaration of gender shouldn't matter. I have no idea what they are doing in Scotland and why a man ended up in a female prison, that just seems bonkers to me!

"Well my understanding is that there is no such thing as a "biological sex change" and that is it a complete physical impossibility for someone to have one, no matter how much money they have!"

If you click on the link on my earlier post, I think they give you a brief overview of how they do it.

If you click on the link on my earlier post, I think they give you a brief overview of how they do it. Is your middle name God?

biological sex change. Think about it... then you'll know why posters are sniggling over their breakfast!

What does cis mean?

Please answer rosiesandflowers?

A trans person is a person who is psychologically the gender that doesn't typically correspond with their sex. A lot of people have heard of the Institut für Sexualwissenchaft before anything else (though schools tend to skate over what it was for before it was burned down.)

Naturally being a different gender than you appear causes discomfort, also "out-of-body' experiences, panic attacks, anxiety/depression, suicidal thoughts, vomiting etc. This is often triggered by people using the wrong pronouns when referring to them. As such trans people often try and "pass", using hairstyles, makeup, clothes and body altering garments such as binders to lessen the amount of times they are confused for their original sex and to feel more comfortable when looking in the mirror.

Of course, they still will have genitalia and secondary sex characteristics of their biological sex, so many trans people undergo surgery to change it.

It doesn't really mean anything outside of a specific chemical insatnce, SweetCheedks

But it's generic meaning "the opposite of trans" has been co opted to mean male or female.

Though TRAs will try to explain why I am wrong, it is just how TRAs try change how we speak about ourselves, so that non trans men become a subset of men, non trans women become a subset of women. So that then you get trans wo / men and cis wo / men, rather than wo / men and trans wo / men,, cos that's just wrong, bad, othering, transphobic!

Basically, its made up bollocks

Think about it... then you'll know why posters are sniggling over their breakfast!

I understand sex is usually meant to be about biology. But my understanding was also that sex/gender are often confused and you should often specify with "biological"?

And my middle name's Elizabeth, thanks for asking.

Sorry ... someone tell me what TRA stands for? Ta.

Roes now you have typed that. go back and read it again!

You start of well, gender and sex as 2 discrete articles. Well done!

Then, well, naturally the real and acknowledged distress a trans person feels is sll down to us non trans, misgendering. No... really, it isn't, as any trans individual will tell you, the distress a trans individual feels is dismorphia, not name calling!

And al that binding and 'trying to pass' that is also dismorphia!

And then you really make that leap: they still will have genitalia and secondary sex characteristics of their biological sex, so many trans people undergo surgery to change it.

Yes, they change the physical manifestation of their biology. They cannot change their biology!

HTH

When someone refers to themselves as cis - for example, I'm a cis woman, they tend to mean that their sex and gender completely correspond and have always done so.

It's not perfect and obviously gets fuzzy with intersex people. Those who identify as genderfluid or nonbinary usually don't call themselves cis.

Trans Radical Activists

I understand sex is usually meant to be about biology. But my understanding was also that sex/gender are often confused and you should often specify with "biological* Erm... yes. Gender and sex are often used interchangeably, to aid obfuscation.

That has worked with you as you seem to have got it backwards. Biological sex is your genes, immutable. So when you say biological sex you re NOT talking about secondary characteristics or surgical remodelling!

A trans person is a person who is psychologically the gender that doesn't typically correspond with their sex.

That doesn’t make sense - surely it’s just someone who doesn’t feel right or at ease in their body or with fitting into society’s expectations on how men/boys women/girls should be. They ferl they fit better with female expectations or are attracted to living and being viewed as a “woman”. None if this means they are a woman.

"Naturally being a different gender than you appear causes discomfort, also "out-of-body' experiences, panic attacks, anxiety/depression, suicidal thoughts, vomiting etc."

Here's me talking about some symptoms of body dysphoria.

"This is often triggered by people using the wrong pronouns when referring to them."

Here is me pointing out that misgendering can be a painful reminder of this/become associated with dysphoria and therefore can lead to the same symptoms. Even if it doesn't lead to panic attacks etc., I can imagine its exceedingly uncomfortable. Think about it - you've been up all night, had a dysphoric panic attack and ended up cutting your own hair off with scissors. You wake up and the first thing you hear is your female dead name. It's extremely irritating/upsetting at the very least.

Besides, if I recall correctly I said that "passing" can both help with dysphoria and help stop misgendering...

If your vagina is made from a penis, you're not female.

How can you psychologically be the other sex? Which one of us would they psychologically be? What traits do all females share that make us an identity when being 5 or being black are not identities?

No, it doesn't get 'fuzzy' with intersex people. This is a rare medical condition and they have stated they do not want to be involved in this debate.

When someone refers to themselves as cis - for example, I'm a cis woman, they tend to mean that their sex and gender completely correspond and have always done so.

Nope, i often hated having to conform to the “gender” expected of me and was often off playing football with the boys than sitting watching and giggling with the girls. I guess I’m trans then.