To think rapists do not belong in women’s prisons

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I know it’s already happened but seems there are other violent male prisoners hoping to move to female prisons. I’d really like to hear what female prisoners feel about this as the article claims many feel intimidated. This just seem absolutely crazy that this is happening - is there no though or concern all for the women prisoners? I just can’t get my head around this logic.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

I cannot believe that we are even having this conversation. It is outrageous and heartbreaking.

What the fuck is happening?

Of course you are not being unreasonable, women's prisons are for women, not men who rape women.

Women and transsexuals are being thrown under the bus so that men can have more rights and freedoms.

Well said Seahorses.

There are currently 34 sex offenders in UK prisons who 'identify as trans'. Some have already been moved to women's prisons. If self-id becomes law, they cannot be kept in isolation in such women's prisons.

I'm not sure if I'm being dim or missing something here, but surely if you're in prison for rape/sexual assault you will be kept in isolation regardless of your gender, or at least closely monitored/watched when in contact with other people?

Regardless, that was more of a general statement regarding this belief that some people are trans for the shits and giggles, or are not really trans, but just pretending - for novelty or attention or something I could just about believe someone incredibly unstable, but being trans is horrifically difficult with or without the dysphoria. I just can't see as many trans people as there are, or even a large percentage of them, going through what they do for no reason or for a very small one.

That’s interesting - do you have a reference for that?

I can try and find the article I read. I think it's a much bigger problem in America than here.

Surgery is expensive - especially if you consider a large proportion of trans people are actually homeless, or have been homeless for some point in their lives, struggling with mental health issues that render work difficult, unsupported by parents/family etc.

I can't find the article I read - I'll keep looking - but according to this www.surgeryencyclopedia.com/Pa-St/Sex-Reassignment-Surgery.html it can cost $24,000-$50,000+ depending on which sex you're transferring from.

If you consider that trans people are severely financially disadvantaged, that's a lot of money.

*I’m in the ‘if they have a penis, they belong in s make prison’ camp.

Seriously, they raid women, stick a wig on their heads, and all of a sudden they’re a woman, fuck. off!*

Are you seriously unable to comprehend any situation between "they have a penis" and "they just put a wig on and asked for a transfer?"

Surely not. Surely you're being deliberately narrow-minded to try and hammer in your point.

These are rapists we are talking about, rapists.

My understanding is that most people don't undergo a biological sex change due to financial issues

Well my understanding is that there is no such thing as a "biological sex change" and that is it a complete physical impossibility for someone to have one, no matter how much money they have!

Obviously rapists have a hideous and vile set of ethics, if one at all.

Doesn't mean they can't be trans. And if we're going to ignore gender identity for one set of criminals, what about people that are in there because they sold some weed or six months for manslaughter? What about people who pass completely except for genitalia - trans women who look "like women" and will have to live with men despite identity - possibly rapists?

What is a woman and what is a trans?

Does genitalia matter?

Please answer rosiesandflowers?

Even if these men are very sad and really want to be women, they aren't.

Prisons are segregated by sex in Ireland where they allow self ID. You can also not identify your way into the priesthood.

Can we stop erasing women, it is utterly heartbreaking. Women and girls exist, when they fuck up and end up in prison it is normally after a lifetime of abuse from men. They are not there to make sad men feel better about themselves.

Anyone who agrees with this is a rape enabler, as far as I'm concerned.
rosesandflowers please google 'autogynephilia' and then you might have a bit of a clue what you're talking about.

The other issue with allowing self Id to determine prison places will be pregnancies.

YANBU OP.

Can't they get treatment on the nhs? Genuinely dysmorphic people I mean?

Doesn't mean they can't be trans. And if we're going to ignore gender identity for one set of criminals, what about people that are in there because they sold some weed or six months for manslaughter? What about people who pass completely except for genitalia - trans women who look "like women" and will have to live with men despite identity - possibly rapists?

Beings male trans person is different from being a woman. being unhappy being a man - doesn’t mske you a woman. There has to be other solutions like seperate wings. There have already been 3 murderers who id as women sent to female prisons. I’d really like to hear the women prisoners views on this.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-killers-kept-apart-after-12493525.amp

General public believes by and large that trans are old school types ie gay men who have had their tackle cut off. Let’s hope that if nothing else this abhorrent nonsense shines the light on that misunderstanding.

Surely the decision about whether someone is kept in isolation would and should be taken on the grounds of their perceived danger to other inmates? No need for trans to come into it.

Interesting. I’m glad the “lassies” in Scotland are getting some traction complaining. Totally ridiculous that either of them is there at all. If homophobia is such an issue in men’s prisons they need a trans and/or gay prison setup. Time some women started a human rights challenge.