To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

[Amanda18e]

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

What Tommy Robinson did was put the trial process at risk. Once it had finished, he’d be free to say whatever he wanted publicly with no issue whatsoever.

It’s really important to maintain the integrity of the trial process to make sure that justice is served.

That goes for grooming gangs, TR, and everyone accused of a criminal offence.

The problem isn’t what he said as much as when he said it. He’d been warned before.

But would you kindly explain why you keep accusing of being aggresive.

While I appreciate that emotions were running high, you were repeatedly combative and aggressive in your posts. You targeted posters, repeatedly. You ignored and belittled ifelldown repeatedly until you finally listened to the rest of us telling you how awful that was.

@user1471450935 - Tommy Robinson did NOTHING to combat the issue of Pakistani grooming gangs. What he did ran the very real risk of causing a mistrial of one of these gangs. They could have gone free, and it would have been his fault.

How can anyone condone that, or think that he is a good person?

Sodding you're not getting my drift, but never mind.

I understand what you meant green, you’re just wrong. I’m not sure why you think that people won’t criticise paedophiles because of their faith? That’s just not true. At all. It’s a tactic used by the far right to peddle their views.

Catholics were blamed, and lumped in with the IRA, regularly and by the majority. Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

Actually green I’m sorry, I’ve gone back and read your comments again. Did you mean that the IRA weren’t allowed to get away with it and their crimes weren’t covered up? If so, I apologise. Because that does make sense.

sodding
I have a long history of posts on here. If you searched you will find the area I live and schools we use and university my son is going too.
So I have kept somethings back.
But my son has 2 female friends, both raped and groomed. One he keeps in touch via facebook, the other no one knows where she is for her own safety. The victims where 14 and 15. He has been under CAMHS he sometimes goes off for a couple of hours on his own. Twice we had to report him missing.
Image thats your son, image that in our area.
I hate T Robinson. But I truly despise the child abusers. We have been treated with upmost care by our police, but they have been scared for him too.

So I am truly sorry. But I don't think I am coming from this in our calm way. I am coming from it has a parent who child is damaged from his friends abuse and that damage could put him in harms way.
Thats why he wants to be a police officer to stop what happened to his friends.
You don't have a clue. But maybe when your son takes a distressing call from his friend on Christmas day, doesn't say anything and then goes missing for 9 hours, maybe you too would think that CSE is something to just get mad at.

You know why I haven't said any of this because it's his life and unlike Rabbit it not for me to tell, but he said I could to explain to you. He won't drop his female friend because everyone else has. He hates the fact he feels he let her down. He hates himself at times. He doesn't know who abused her, he feels they should have known the signs.

So maybe just because rabbit felt she could explain herself, she isn't the only one with experience of going missing or experience of how CSE can damage people. Just some of us keep things private. We have great help from local councillors.

So sorry yes I can be aggressive, but someone needs to be or should I just let my son end up like his lovely friend and add to the long list. Maybe you should think before accusing random posters off spouting crap.
I dont want thanks, just others to understand what its like to live here.

user you’re clearly far too emotional about personal experiences/circumstances to listen to a word anyone else has said.

You have no right to minimise ifell’s experience, and you have nowhere near the knowledge of it that she does. However many seminars you’ve sat through, however many people you know, or have heard from, you do not know how it felt. She does. And you are still refusing to see that and making it about you and your experiences which is really out of order.

Given the level of vitriol you’ve aimed at a fair few posters on here, you have an absolute cheek to say I’m accusing you of anything. Repeatedly you’ve justified TR and why he does what he does. You’ve also launched tirades against anyone who disagrees with you.

I live in a town that had one of the grooming gangs. I’ve heard from the survivors, I’ve been part of a group who try to ensure it never happens again. I’ve also been to the mosque with my friend and helped at an event run by the mosque to try and foster good relations in the community and to support the trials and convictions of the perpetrators.

What I don’t think is that I have or would ever have any right to dismiss, ignore, deny or otherwise have a very aggressive go at someone who has lived it. No matter my experience, what I’ve heard, what I’ve come across, I do not have the right to do that. And neither do you.

Very calmly can I ask anyone to tell me which post I supported TR in please.
But seeing I don't and never will, but have been attacked from my 1st post, I can see easily why people would turn to him.
Vacuums politically lead to disasters.
1917 to the Ussr and Stalin
1933 to Nazi Germany and Hilter

Then the country voted Brexit, because many felt unlistened too and not valued.
Height of the child grooming scandal and Nick Griffin's BNP won votes in Keighley, West and South Yorkshire, Oldham and Rochdale and Hull. All Labour party strongholds. Ask yourself why?
Ukip grew as we didn't get a referendum.
I come from Liberal and Labour voting families, 4th generation union member. I have never voted for a right wing party, but parties who have campaigned on these issues got more votes than the greens where we live.
So if you don't want TR to dominate the issue and lead the conversation, who is going too?

I have asked before you all ignored it, so come on who.
Anne Cryer was dismissed
Sara Rowbotham was sacked
Sarah Champion you dislike
Jess Phillips?
Heidi Allen?

Because who is leading this national campaign. The child abuse enquiry is stalled. So come on who if not TR.
I have on 3 occasions said who I would trust. None of you have come up with one name Why?

TR isn't leading any campaign. He's following his own racist agenda and nothing more.

Because who is leading this national campaign. The child abuse enquiry is stalled. So come on who if not TR.

TR is not leading a child abuse campaign. If he was, he'd be raising his voice against ALL child abusers. Including the convicted white ones that he knows. Including the priests who have been found out.

He had not shown any interest in child abuse until he heard of the Muslim abusers, and then of course it became a convenient excuse for his racism.

And then he interfered with their trial, which is why he received his well deserved sentence.

User1471450935 please don’t upset yourself some of us get it, we understand. I think we are called the silent majority.

I don’t know, but not Tommy Robinson. He is using this to further his own hateful agenda. He is in no way a force for good, quite the opposite, he is enabling hatred to fester, he is deflecting from the important people in this, and making it all about him and his acolytes are slavering over every word he says.

Meanwhile, extremist recruiters have a poster boy for the hateful UK, to snare new recruits using his words “we” “us” “native” “indigenous” “our women” “our children” to draw lines and demonstrate division.

And the rapists trials are driven underground, potentially deemed a mistrial and thrown out. All because a fucking egomaniac deemed his own voice more important than the girls and women who deserve to be heard.

So frankly, anyone but him and those who think like him. That way lies war, and more pain and suffering.

Tommy Robinson only cares about paedophiles who happen to be Muslim. I have seen zero evidence of him giving a single hoot about the victims of white paedophiles.

And he risked a mistrial of a Pakistani grooming gang because he could not obey the law, and wait for the trial to be over, before shooting his mouth off in front of the court - that does NOT look like the actions of a leader, or a moral campaigner.

His views are racist and repugnant, and anyone who follows him or condones his views, tars themselves with the same brush.

I know TR isn't running a national campaign. But who is? Thought it was Thersa May or Amber Rudd. But no enquiry stalled died. Javid Savid new home secretary not one word or major of London. So come on who?
Hasn't been Jeremy Corbyn or Vince Cable either. Nor the SNP or PC or DUP or SF or Greens. They are all the parties who have seats in house of commons. So once again WHO?
Because if we honour the girls/boys affected we owe them to stop it now. Not in 10 years now.
So politly I ask again who leads us as a nation. There are 100's of threads on trans gender on here, 1000's of comments MNHQ running a campaign. So why not the same on Child Sexual Exploitation. Anyone would think it was equally as important an issue. If not so more. I starting to fear, it is not middle class, private education related enough to bother MNHQ and the bulk of its members.
So come on, for my kids and neice and nephew and the next generation, who is it to be?
I get past from pillar to post by my Tory Mp and the home office, so I desperate for a creditable name to give them
Who?

I often wonder what people like Robinson and Hopkins think if they are watching The HandMaid's Tale?

Are they shocked by what happens or do they agree with things that happen?

Ask MNHQ to run a campaign on child sexual exploitation - I will back a call for one.

So brilliant. You all replied by repeating the same not him. He's racist all you are and why not him. Thanks I got that you spent 16 pages saying that and accusing posters of racism and facism. I have listened (even though you said I couldn't and was hateful and a lair.)
I want to move forward So 1 name to make sure there are never another ifelldownarabbithole and the 100000's of other girls and boys. Surely not hard.
Once again reading around it 4 names come to light repeatly
A) Anne Cryer
B) Jess Phillips
C) Sarah Champion or
D) Heidi Allen

For me personally it would be A) or C) but seeing A) is retired I am going for
Jess Phillips
So drop the outrage and campaign for the future with out CSE
Or do what always happens
Ignore your history and you are bound to relive it. Is that what you all want?

How?
I have asked my MP in person, my letter and email. He's like some here, just same reply rehashed time again. Home office aren't bothered.
Not sure any one on here is too.
So I will go back to lurking. I given up with home office and MP. Think to be honest here to. Every one is to keen to be seen saying right thing, but sadly actions speak louder and there are no actions.
I have 2 boys and full time shift work. Plus I fought CAMHS and we lost. So can't be arsed to start on MNHQ. When there are people out there who are better qualified then me.

You’re fucking shouting back at anyone who comes up with a suggestion, because it’s not what you want to hear. In the same breath you say you can’t be arsed.

Well which is it? You’ve come up with the same 4 names over and over while completely ignoring anyone else’s ideas but fail to see they’ve done nothing either.

MNHQ is a good idea, since you can’t be arsed, stop fucking moaning about it. Either do something, or shut up.

Every one is to keen to be seen saying right thing, but sadly actions speak louder and there are no actions.
CSE
It's not ok

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Seems on a quick google there are plenty of organisations around trying to deal with this and raise awareness, User.

"He's racist all you are..."

Not just shouting at us all - calling us all racists. Though how @user1471450935 leaps from us criticising Robinson for his views to us all being racist, baffles me.

Fucking hell some people really need to learn what the word racist means. Just because you're getting nowhere with your argument you can't just call the other person a racist.

To user1457017537 thank you for your kind post, I am okay.
By the way I didn't say you are racist, I said you all call T Robinson a racist thug, and anyone who agree with him on this thread was automatically assumed to be one too, hope that clears it up. You happy where happy to accuse others of been racist though.

It is obvious that I am not anyway the person to ask MNHQ to lead a CSE campaign, I would be just as unpopular as TR, so I leave that to others.

Finally, be careful of what you think of posters, my wife, son and I run, we do 10k races, all sponsored, causes we run for are breast cancer research (local charity, wife's work colleague) brain cancer/injury charity (friend's 11 DD has brain cancer) homeless and alcohol, drug referral unit and women's refuge. We donate all used clothing to neighbour's homeless refuge and pay a standing charge to provide female sanitary products to local homeless charities.
My wife reads in local schools, we helped to set up free gardening clubs to help deprived kids learn another skill, I help run free rugby, netball, cricket, football and wheelchair basketball clubs for the same kids, many who are referred by local police and social workers.
We have just help repaint a house which will allow ladies to live safely after leaving the local estate's women's aid shelter. we finished this morning. We gave the Tv and bedding.
So I don't need to run a internet campaign to feel better, I try locally to improve my fellow residents lives.
Finally my youngest and I will sit with 2 different pensioners tomorrow, so their carers can leave to attend church and have quality time (only an hour) on their own.
So I will do what soddingunicorn said and butt out. I just hope in the future there won't be the next scandal involving 100's of girls and boys and another thread about how no one cares. Because there is now no excuse not to stop it.
Enjoy our summer, we will playing loads of sport and harvesting fruit and veg, which stops about 125 kids being the next CSE victims.

”By the way I didn't say you are racist, I said you all call T Robinson a racist thug, and anyone who agree with him on this thread was automatically assumed to be one too, hope that clears it up.”

To be honest, what you wrote cannot in any way be seen to say what you are saying you meant, @user1471450935 - I was 100% sure you were calling us racist. I am willing to accept that that was not your intention, but I think you need to accept that what you wrote was not at all clear, and was very easily understood - and if I were in your shoes, I would apologise for any offence caused by what I had written, even though no offence was intended.