To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

[Amanda18e]

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

So why have you reported my post then user1457017537? Either way if people would bother to come up with a username instead of these ridiculous numbers there wouldn’t be any confusion would there?

Whatever

Random reports and a dodgy username good luck with that.

It is funny how so called tolerant people are only tolerant as long as everyone agrees with them. Power trip

I never claimed to be tolerant of racists, neo nazis and thugs. I’m not. Neither am I tolerant of paedophiles. Those who slaver on about TR as if he some kind of hero are ridiculous, because they can offer no real examples of how he’s helping or changing things, they’ve just bought into his white supremacist crap.

@user seriously? Good luck with that.

sodding
You owe user145 any apology I am afraid. It was me you and others attacked last evening.
See you avoided my list of the joys of living in a northern working class semi rural area though.
Just to tell you all how bad it still is
A TWO year girl was targeted to be abducted from her front garden in the market town 2 miles away from where we live.
2 boys sexually groomed in youngest primary school, year 5. 12 year eldest child of school friend raped on way home from their special school. 3 girls in my eldest year 9 raped or abused.
We have had parents child safety sessions on the same evening as SATS nights at primary. We get warnings from secondary school.
But still people on here claim I know nothing and its getting better.
So I will leave there.
The abusers are all colours and reglions and none. But whilst posters continue to dismiss us it will continue. I only hope it won't be your child's classmate next time.
to fallendownarabbithole. But I sadly know from above she won't be the last, god there was nearly a TWO year old last month.
I give up. Most of you only care about defending Muslims. Not sure the little girl's parents will agree with you at moment.
Enjoy live in your nice safe bubbles, pretending its safe in 21st century Britain.

I am not tolerant of racists, neo nazis or thugs either. I am just old enough and have been around the block enough times to question what I am being told. Guildford 4 springs to mind immediately. I am not an apologist for TR and have never met him, but even you must admit that this abuse has been going on for many years despite whistleblowers who were repeatedly ignored.

Oh by the way, the 2 year wasn't even top of local radio/tv news. Or newspaper either. We have lived with it for nearly 15 years, that we just all shrug and say SHIT. But carry on. Have you given your 11 year old's talks on how to know who is grooming you, and then have to ask if anyone has done it?
Neice was taught a 5 that they should tell if an Adult put their hands in their underwear. Only you do it. FFS.
We obvoiusly occupy different worlds.

User 14571450935 thank you. I did write a post last night but lost it!

If we all work together maybe we can make a difference and protect these children. I am proud to be working class and can take the sneering attitude.

I’ve never once said that this abuse wasn’t going on for years, or that there wasn’t a major cover up by many agencies who should have stopped it. I fully and absolutely agree with that, among SOME sections of the Muslim community there is a clear issue with their views on women/girls and targeting vulnerable white girls in care.

Nobody, literally nobody is debating that. What isn’t going to sort it out is jumped up little hate mongers like TR stirring up hatred in the wrong damn places and causing even more division. Because it is division and lack of integration that has led to this, it’s also a system which doesn’t care about young white girls in care and won’t help them.

Both of those things need to change, desperately and quickly. Agencies which should have acted and didn’t need to make unreserved apologies, and ensure that they never fail girls like the ones who were failed in future. The groomers and paedophiles need to go to jail and be left in no doubt that their crimes will be punished severely. The whistleblowers need to know they will be protected for doing the right thing.

Racism, Islamophobia and hatred isn’t going to improve anything.

Other user I’m not engaging with your ridiculously combative approach any longer. Go and start on somebody else.

I’m also old enough to remember the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6. Not sure why you brought them up, but you can’t equate them to TR. They didn’t commit the crimes they were imprisoned for, TR did. On video. Live.

Like @SoddingUnicorns, I am not tolerant of racists, New nazis or thugs, nor am I willing to be tolerrant of people who are apologists for new nazi, racist thugs.

And I note that @user1457017537 hasn’t taken the time to tell me which of the things I have posted about Tommy Robinson I should be keeping an open mind about.

For goodness sake, of course we shouldn't condemn all muslims because of isis, etc. But does that mean we should keep quiet about Isis terror groups because isis doesn't include all muslims and people might think that they're all being tarred with the same brush. Only an idiot would think that.

We used to condemn the IRA, not for one minute did catholics think that all catholics were being condemned. Nobody used to say "but not all catholics are like that", so unnecessary, why does it have to be pointed out every time, it's like a paranoia.

Bugger - I didn’t proof read my post. I am not tolerant of neo-nazis. I am not tolerant of them whether they are new or old, frankly.

You’re wrong about catholics green believe me the West of Scotland wasn’t (and still isn’t) a fun place to be if you’re catholic. If you think it doesn’t happen, you are very very wrong. Sectarianism is alive and well up here, and in NI.

People did blame catholics for the IRA.

@greenvalleys - I think that sadly there are people who think that all Muslims are ISIS/terrorists - that’s why it needs repeating that this is not the case.

Whistleblowers were ignored. There were also self proclaimed 'whistleblowers' who despite what the press would have you believe were actually using victims for a leg up a career ladder.

But prior to whistleblowers being ignored... you know who was being ignored? The girls!!! By society as a whole!

Vulnerable children did not have the same innocence now afforded to them in the eyes of Joe blogs. At least not where I lived. And seemingly not anywhere else by the failure to address the problem. I think I learnt on MN but unsure that there wasn't even a law that could prosecute these men for sleeping with the underage girls until a few decades ago? (Not sure but that makes sense why we were thought of as consensual child prostitutes if it's true)

So everyone can spout off saying these/that/those failed and yes they did! They didn't hold attitudes that were that different to Joe public though. What they did hold was the power to do anything and they looked the other way.

Prior to any media attention on this - who failed? Society

Ordinary people- of all classes. Because you looked at us and thought just like us (not anyone on MN but society in general) that we were in control and we were the criminals. I had people in school say I went into care for being naughty. I bloody was naughty. Not the reason most of us went into care though.

I was a troublemaker- I vandalised, I breached the peace, I stole, I annoyed society, I was violent ... (as did many many others) and society looked back on us and said "it's your own damn fault" when we got hurt/abused

Thankfully people are changing and this attitude is mainly only kept now by the abusers themselves

But no white working class people can tell me their class never looked on us that way going back several decades- you fucking did just like everyone else! Forgive me if I don't fucking want you running around claiming to be my saviour when you also did nothing back then as a majority. Just fuck off! Yet now you want to fight our battles?! And claim saviour status?!

I thought this way myself FGS about girls after my time at one point in my life

People need to be held accountable- but that doesn't mean everyone else was innocent

@felldownarabbithole well fucking said.

sodding Well it didn't happen to me and my family, but even so, it didn't stop people rightfully castigating the IRA. The fact the IRA were catholics and the majority of catholics had nothing to do with them didn't stop the IRA from getting a bad press. The fact that most catholics weren't IRA was irrelevant, it was the IRA getting the bad press, not all the peaceful catholics itms. That was my point anyway.

The IRA got a bad press because they were murderers. You may think it irrelevant, but it isn’t, because people did and do link the two. Just because it didn’t affect you personally doesn’t mean it didn’t happen or that it’s irrelevant.

Ditto for Muslims and ISIS/grooming gangs. They are two separate things, one is evil and needs to be eradicated, the other isn’t. And yet they are linked, by the mainstream media, by the far right, by “activists”, and by people on the street.

People are castigating the grooming gangs, I’m not sure why people think they’re not? They’re just not calling for mass deportation of all Muslims, a ban on immigration, blaming all Muslims for the action of extremists and espousing racist and awful views.

They’re also castigating the agencies which failed and those who are trying to raise their own profile by jumping on a cause.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is condoning what these disgusting perverts did or are doing.

Can I clarify that “jumping on a cause” was in no way meant disrespectfully to the girls who were subjected to abuse. I meant it in the sense of people using the awful abuse they endured to further their own agenda, without giving a thought to the girls.

I wish user and others could explain why they think that agreeing with TR's sentence equates to condoning grooming gangs. It's been made clear so many times on here that it is precisely because grooming gangs aren't condoned that TR fully deserved everything he got. His actions substantially increased the possibility that the trial would have to be abandoned; therefore, if the accused are guilty, he seems to be doing his best to let them go free. If he were genuinely concerned about their victims, he wouldn't have contemplated acting in the way he has.

user145
You are welcome. I am working class too. Married to a police PNC/ANPR. Who sadly has the job of updating the sex offenders register.

To any one I have upset, sorry. But would you kindly explain why you keep accusing of being aggresive. I have honestly described living in my area and events from my teenage years in Keighley.
Pp said I lied. Then you accused me of supporting TR. I clearly said I dont.
I said child abusers are all colours and religions and none.

I am sorry you dont like what I write. But I dont have a degree. But I do have 2 boys and their numerous friends, plus 2 neices and nephews and if you read their experiences you too would be upset.
But you notice we don't protest, ask BNP/EDL to fight our corner.
No we try and work with the local police, schools and agencies to keep ourown children safe. There have been riots in London and other cities because one teenager died. We have personal experience of 9 of children friends abused. We support them and our kids.
So I am truly sorry if I have upset you all. But I have just vented 15 years of heartbreak and despair on here. Don't worry we will continue to wait for someone in authority to take us seriously. I won't hold my breath. Because sadly we are a long way down the pecking order.
Locals abused by the catholic church and local authority care homes in the 1960's and 1970's have only just got justice. Many will die before they receive compensation.
So once again sorry. But I am glad most on here haven't to go through, I dread to think what would have happen if these abused kids where Muslim or Black at hands of white gangs. But us nice working class men and women just take it and quietly wait for assistance. So instead of wasting more of my time on this thread I am off to spend time with my family and friends and rightly praise the officers who try and keep our area safe.
Because clearly posters aren't going to change their ideas, and I no longer can be bothered trying to explain why people like us may turn to the likes of T Robinson. Enjoy your weekend