To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

[Amanda18e]

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

Surely the fact that he was protesting outside a court where a paedophile grooming gang were being prosecuted shows that the police had done something, though?

And even if he has a point about the police and authorities not doing enough, that does NOT justify doing something he knew risked causing a mistrial, and letting these people go free.

Also, it is my understanding that he does not protest about white paedophiles - even ones from his own party - so for me, everything he does is tainted by the fact that he is a vile racist.

I think using the case of the suffragettes is a bit daft. a)It was over a hundred years ago, b) fighting for equality is a completely different issue. TR is not fighting for any sort of equality.

The police historically didn't do enough. All the agencies failed historically with this particular issue....BUT I'm not sure what protesting that the police did nothing when the police ARE trying very hard to address this problem and change policing methods now to suit this particular crime does to help matters tbh.

The police have already said as have social services and so on - that they let the victims down

Why doesn't TR volunteer his services to help if he cares so much? We're all so bloody aware of the situation that him standing outside mouthing off is what we expect! It's hardly a shock if it's a grooming gang case that TR and co will be outside

I think using the case of the suffragettes is a bit daft. a)It was over a hundred years ago

Yes, but the Police tactics haven't really changed in those hundred years. "Breach of the Peace" has always been used as a catch-all to arrest people when they haven't obviously broken any other law. Not just the suffragettes - although I thought that would be a good example - I apologise if that came across as goady - not my intention. The Poll Tax riots in London were exactly the same and I had a good friend arrested for "breach of the peace". Why? Standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. Had done nothing wrong but the police wanted to arrested him and that's how they did it.

Again, please don't think I'm a Tommy Robinson fan-boy - I'm not. I'm about as opposed to the BNP types as it's possible to be.

Also two of my best friends are in the police so I'm not anti-police but heavy-handed policing DOES happen and regardless of who's being arrested, it's not right.

"Breach of the Peace" has always been used as a catch-all to arrest people when they haven't obviously broken any other law.
That may or may not be true, but in this case he has most definitely broken the law, as well as his release conditions from his previous sentence.
So what might have happened in other cases has no relevance here.

Unless me interpretation of early 20th century history is totally wrong, none of the cigarettes were ever convicted of mortgage fraud or drunken brawling at a football match (I understand he has moved on from that and now only brawls at Ascot

Yes, I did watch a bit of the video, before the boredom set in, and it became apparent that the only thing he is interested in is self-serving publicity and he doesn't even seem to believe what he is saying.

Laughing at this thread and all the other Tommy Robinson ones on here, all middle class people, or so called working class, who happen to lead major organisations or went to Oxbridge, and did nothing until recently about Muslim's raping white girls in their 1000's.

I have always said on every one the same thing, and always get ignored, but I will continue here, if you had listened to Anne Cryer and the Rochdale STD worker, there would be no need for the Tommy Robinson and BNP/EDL campaigns, but no you lot cared more about chasing paedophile priests and vicars and school teachers, who prayed on middle class boys and girls. Funny that, so much outrage about abuse of choir boys and Chethams school kids, fuck all care for white care victims, as they are troubled and slags, according to South and West Yorkshire, Thames Valley and Great Manchester Police and Social services.

A report by NSPCC, this fucking year 2018 so not historic, said 1 in 6 care home children, as high as 1 in 3 in parts of Yorkshire, go missing regularly, no one knows where. Can you imagine if Eton or St Pauls Girl School, had those stats, there would be 1000's of you on here demanding blood. Not one thread on here. You are a bloody joke.

My Wife works for Humberside Police, we know child protection officers, they tell of chasing girls from Hull/Grimsby through South, West Yorkshire, Greater Manchester and to Blackpool, and getting no help from any other force, they where told the girls choose to sell their bodies, some where 11. My son is a volunteer Police Cadet, he has a Humberside Police handbook on CSE, it's 45 pages long, they are teaching cadets to look out for the signs.

You lot don't have a clue, it isn't historic, it still happening, difference Humberside Police and Health board are run by ex working class people, who care for all, not a bunch of middle/upper class right on political appointees.

Final point, I once stopped a Muslim man in Keighley beating a white girl with a stick in the street, not one Muslim man or woman stopped him, WYP came, not to arrest him, but to threaten me with arrest for inferring with a known pimp. I have also worked with the Church Army in Hull and Keighley to help venerable children off the streets, SYP and WYP, would regular arrive demanding to take these kids back to their pimps, fuck off with your claims the Police cared, did they FUCK, and the reason for gagging orders is so we never find out which police officers/Social workers where the pimps and rapists friends and enablers.

You are all a sad joke. I fear for the future if we wait for you lot to care

Pankhursts, not cigarettes, I have no idea where auto correct gets these things from.

User, I recognise your tactic, and it doesn't impress me.

The police are frightened to be seen as racist, (even though Islam isn't a race), I dread for the future, where people can't speak of their fears anymore.

There is no need for the EDL/BNP campaigns, they do not exist to draw attention to an issue for the victims justice, they exist to exploit fear of the other and to act as a justification for racism.

The Catham house, Catholic priest and many other cases were historic and went on for years, many victims were also ignored.

The reason for the gagging orders is to prevent mistrials occurring in future.

All of your post is clap trap.

Also I 100% think that the incidents user talks about with the police, never happened.

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@2Boys1Dad the problem is that he doesn’t differentiate between “religious nutters” (I prefer extremists, because nutters isn’t exactly a pleasant word) and Muslims. He encouraged hatred towards both.

And his arrest, conviction and imprisonment was not only lawful, he knew exactly what would happen so has a cheek to be protesting it now. In his previous trial he was explicitly told what would happen if he did it again, and he did.

The claims that it’s all about the protection of children are bogus, it’s never white paedophiles that he targets. It’s like he thinks that gangs of predatory men attacking vulnerable girls is a new thing, started by brown men. When it isn’t. When they’re white men they’re called paedophile rings, when they’re brown they’re referred to as grooming gangs.

Absolutely there are issues in the U.K. with extremism and also with grooming gangs. These need to be addressed, those committing sexual acts of violence need to go to prison, and those trying to recruit jihadis need to go to prison. Nobody is disputing that.

But stirring up racial/religious hatred and insinuating all Muslims are part of it is just flat out wrong. Because they’re not.

A report by NSPCC, this fucking year 2018 so not historic, said 1 in 6 care home children, as high as 1 in 3 in parts of Yorkshire, go missing regularly, no one knows where. Can you imagine if Eton or St Pauls Girl School, had those stats, there would be 1000's of you on here demanding blood. Not one thread on here. You are a bloody joke

And if the perpetrators are white what then? What line will the BNP/EDL take?
Those who covered it up, police, social work, crown prosecutors, solicitors, they are equally as responsible as the perpetrators, are they all brown too?

I’m in no way denying that that is enormous prejudice towards vulnerable children in care who are targeted by beasts. But if you think all those beasts are brown you’re an idiot.

It’s the system that needs to get a fucking grip and stop pussyfooting around paedophiles of all colours and faiths.

Taking a one track view and demanding that Muslims be “sent home” (to where? Bromley? Hackney? Glasgow? What if they were born here?) and stirring up hate does fuck all to change anything. In fact, stirring up hate actually benefits extremist recruiters. So TR et al are part of the problem, NOT the solution.

I started to watch that Oxford speech. Turned off around the time he started on about leafleting at the age of 17... God, another how many years' worth of this?... as it was beginning to make my teeth itch. I can't understand how people are using the word "articulate", or was I watching the wrong clip? Put him in a suit, he still looks and sounds like the thug his actions prove he is.

The content was quite interesting too (for a given value of "interesting"), At least three times he said something along the lines that Not All Muslims Are Like That of course, but he's just saying there is a problem that needs to be looked at. Reminded me of "And Brutus is an honourable man". And we all know where that went.

user, apart from your slippery slope logical fallacy, you lost me at Church Army. One cult for another, eh? Does that make it acceptable?

Anniegetyourgun

I take your point about TR saying that "Not All Muslims Are Like That" but potentially not meaning that at all. Until recently, I've always held the view that he's a straightforward racist who cloaks himself with a veneer of respectability by focusing only on muslim-extremists (if you prefer that word to "nutters")

However...

That Oxford Union video did very much lead me to reconsider whether I've been wrong all this time. So here's an open question to you and everyone else on this thread. Does anyone have any actual hard evidence that the real TR is actually a hardline Nazi. That's not goady, I'm an genuinely keen to be better informed on this issue.

The “real” TR is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, and he has carefully crafted a very polished persona, skating just this side of what is legally acceptable to say without a long prison sentence and his sole focus is on Muslims. He does not focus on any other group of people, and his thin veneer of respectability is just that. Wafer thin.

Men like him who refer to “our women and children” make me want to throw up. I and my daughter are not his to claim. And the fact that he clings to Asian grooming gangs to peddle his point rather than the other way around is very telling.

But if you want outright proof? There isn’t any, he’s not stupid enough for that.

I do know that he came to Scotland recently and incited riots, he caused a hell of a lot of bother with Celtic fans too. And roundly got his pathetic little arse kicked. Happily.

9190 children went missing from their care homes in 2017, according to Dfe stats.
But blame people like me, of course it happened and ask Anne Cryer what leading Muslim's in Keighley did about Child Rape. Zero.

Sara Rowbotham, should be knighted, but it is easier to get rid of whistleblowers, who show leaders to be criminal neglect, then dare to sack the bosses.

It is so sad, as a liberal, as in Lib Dem/green voter, to watch people play look over their games, yes white men rape, my cousin was gang raped by rich white lads, cleared at trial, after their Oxford educated female lawyer, loving described her as white slag from Bilton Grange, I was the one who sat with her day after day and took the call from the police officer who found her hung, from never coping from the shame. I has a governor have given evidence in teacher/pupil cases I have reported safeguarding issues from rugby. I have watch people like you lot, campaign against catholic, Church of England peapophiles, etc and demand equal rights for women and BAME, but I have never seen anyone campaign for white care kids.

Where is the Stephen Lawerence type enquiry into the failings of West and South Yorkshire, Greater Manchester, Thames Valley and Northhumbria Police handling of Muslim child rape gangs. We can hold a Grenfell enquiry in less then a year, because it is London and effects the BAME population, but we can't hold a CSE one or finish it, why?
Because most of the victims are 1) poor 2) mainly in care 3) white working class 4) not from London. Of course most of the criminals involved are rich, white, black and Muslim and it wouldn't do to let the down trodded northern under classes to realise non of the main 3 parties give a shit about them, as seen on this thread.

Anyway I am leaving, because unlike all of you lot, I have helped on the streets, worked with venerable kids and tried to help, but of course, because I dare to speak out, and are a non degree holding white male, who has stopped white and Muslim paedophiles, I am lying and a racist. Sadly you are wrong. Into vacuums step people like the EDL/BNP, but we have learnt nothing from Brexit, and this is a major stain on England's copybook.

Because most of the victims are 1) poor 2) mainly in care 3) white working class 4) not from London. Of course most of the criminals involved are rich, white, black and Muslim and it wouldn't do to let the down trodded northern under classes to realise non of the main 3 parties give a shit about them, as seen on this thread.

This isn’t what TR is saying though. If it was I’d agree with him! The fact that vulnerable, looked after girls are targeted by paedophiles and the system covers it up is so horrific I don’t have words. BUT you don’t stop that by being hateful or stirring up racial tension.

That’s the problem with TR and people like him. As soon as it becomes apparent it’s about race, their point becomes invalid.

It is the system we should be railing at, not buying into TR’s hateful bile.

I can tell you what he isn't, anyway. He isn't a saint or a hero. If he's a martyr it's only because he's thrown himself at the lions, shouting "Take me! Take me!" - on camera!

I don't think it really matters what label you attach to him. It's not that important whether he can be fairly called a hardline Nazi - what does matter IMO is that he's inciting hatred, beating people up (oh, but only his lovers and a couple of colleagues, maybe the odd fellow football hooligan - that's all right then) and deliberately flouting court orders.

I wonder how much of that Luton stuff was true, too. Or, you know, true in a way but mispresented. (e.g. his intro said these lovely old ladies were being targeted in their own homes to get them to move away, but did they actually say by whom? When I was young all that firebombing of black families and Pakistani shopkeepers was carried out by good old home-grown white racists There's a lot of it about.)

Gilead
I take it you don't like the church army because they are Christians?
I have worked next to them, Salivation Army, women aid and a lovely Buddist group, plus many atheist and agnostic groups. Why because we all tried to take venerable children/young adults off the streets and away from drugs and alcohol

Funnily enough, if you asked for their help, they gave it. Unlike the Police and social services, who where no where to be seen.

I am no racist, but I despair at Britain's record on CSE, and on ones gives a damn

soddingunicorns
I have said all along I support the likes of Sara Rowbotham, Anne Cryer, Sarah Champion and the likes of Jess Phillips, I would be delighted if she became Labour's 1str female PM, or Jo Swinson from Lib's. So you see I no EDL fan, but which party is fighting CSE, none, unless it they are dragged fighting and kicking, to my ultimate shame, since having boys and doing shift work I can't risk being out on the front line anymore. But I give to the local women's aid charity and homeless charities. Our eldest is off to do a criminology degree, he wants to work with CSE either as a police officer or in support services.

Can you name me one front line Politian apart from my list who has done anything to stop CSE or give me my enquiry?
The minister for child safety claims 9160 kids missing from care homes is an improving situation and nothing to worry about. His name is Nadhim Zahawi, he certainly sounds like he gives two fucks about it. But then again when did any Tory multi millionaire, including Lord Lawson give a shit about white working class kids.

I can tell you why girls in care or from dysfunctional homes go missing - because I was one. WE run away. It all seems like a big adventure, we don't recognise our own vulnerability and THEN the only powers left for parents and care staff is to report us missing. The problem comes in that WE don't want to be returned, WE run from police and if we get caught up in things like this having already run away a million times previously, people are used to not worrying after a while and adopting a "they'll be back when they want to" attitude as WE've already wasted police time hundreds of times previously. Our names aren't the Madeline McCanns of the world who go missing once. WE are known to services, WE refuse to engage - and should we fall into the hands of men like this who we believe initially are our mates and fun to hang around with who buy us stuff... well what powers are there to return us? They spend their time looking for those for whom going missing is out of character

Greater control in law to return us or keep us wherever we should be are needed.

The girls are still victims... but they don't believe themselves to be until its way out of control.