To think what happened to Tommy Robinson was wrong

[Amanda18e]

In that the press were not allowed to report on the original grooming trial and the secondary trial of his for contempt of court.

Surely these press bans should only be used for issues of national security like terrorism.

Felldownaribbithole
God you sound like SYP and social services, blame the victim, Christ no wonder the rape gangs win. I personally know Police officers, who spent 35 years in child protection, who didn't ever think like that, they would be screaming at you now. Humberside Police, tweet and facebook, every missing child reported to them, and it doesn't matter if it's the first time or the 1000 time, it is sent out. I know Humberside officers, who have spent more hours in a week tracing vulnerable girls, then at home. but they saw it as their jobs, and not to be CSE pimp minders, but those officers and people like me, are wrong and on here and sadly even in RL, we should just say ok continue pimping out and raping 11/12 year olds.
What a shit place to live in, Britain in the 21st century

@user1471450935 but supporting TR isn’t, and will never be the way to change things. It just won’t.

The system needs to change, from government level down. These girls need to be protected, the whistle blowers need to be protected and heard.

I will never, ever support anyone who jumps on a cause and wildly twists things, calling for mass deportation and gross exaggeration of a faith or demonisation of a whole culture.

@user

Did you miss that I WAS one of the girls you refer to?

I know exactly what happened

@user147150935 - I think you owe @felldownarabbithole an apology for reading her first hand account and then insulting her.

No I didn't. My best man was a child protection officer. He would be crying now if he read your excuses for your abusers. He has sat through hours of interviews, with 11, 12 and 13 year old girls saying he was my friend. He says no he wasn't he was your rapist, he has convicted 100's of child abusers, sadly he and his colleagues, only could help kids in Humberside.

Soddingunicorn I politely ask again who is going to lrad this revolution, Nadhim Zahawi or possibly Sir Kier Strammer, I believe he lead the CPS, when it turned a blind eye to Muslim rape gangs. I will said behind anyone you name or any campaign you name, as long as it defeats CSE. But I can't find any one leading it. Because no one in 45 years has led one, and I only see excuses on here. Also name me one MP or head of council child protection services who has resigned or been sacked.
God Sarah Champion, MP for Rotherham, had to resign her shadow cabinet seat, for daring to speak out on this issue, so if not her or TR WHO Please?

Firstly, you owe felldownarabbithole an apology, how dare you read her account and be so rude? The police were absolutely complicit in the cover up and the dereliction of duty which enabled these bastards, so singing the praises of one decent officer isn’t appropriate. Or right.

I don’t know is the answer, but is sure as shite isn’t that little prick TR. He’s no different to any other far right scumbag. You’re shouting at the wrong people. And supporting far right extremists is never the way forward, ever.

@user147150935 - how are we going to combat this issue if we dismiss and ignore the voices of people who have been through the care system, and have run away multiple times?

Actually - you aren’t just ignoring @felldownarabbithole’s account - you seem to be actively trying to silence her - which is inexcusable.

@user

It's not an excuse! It's part of the problem and a huge contribution for years to why girls weren't taken seriously

It's only in very recent times society itself has stopped for the most part victim blaming

I remember endless conversations of the bad choices I was making... I was one of the much luckier girls and whilst I've given information and seen men jailed now, my life wasn't destroyed in the way I saw others lives be.

I used to read newspaper articles about us - reporters - not people involved- they wrote articles about OUR consensual child prostitution and portrayed these men as poor victims! And honestly some of us thought that way too... that we could use these stupid men and get what we wanted. It was the way the world as a collective used to view us!

I could be called in for a chat about the risky choices I was making... then waved off in a car afterwards by professionals unable to stop what was happening. Professionals who knew full well we would often return bloody and bruised from wherever we were going.

Parents and professionals involved in the care of vulnerable children need much greater powers in law to protect us. Fortunately the tide has turned that we aren't any longer assumed to be consensual child prostitutes for the most part other than by these sick predators

Police are changing their methods and not relying solely on our testimonies thankfully anymore for convictions. We don't make great victims - we mistrust the police, mistrust staff, sometimes we trust the men more than we trust anyone else despite the abuse. Sometimes we're angry at our "friends" being persued by the police before we come to terms with them being predators and not our friends or boyfriends and often we are known liars who've made allegations against numerous people previously who've pissed us off. We get this way - we've been seriously fucked up by sometimes those who should protect us and we aren't mature adults who realise the consequences of everything ... with convictions of our own. We don't make the neat innocent victim. We were victims nonetheless, and lots of girls sadly are victims currently. This has been happening for decades now and the bravery of some who now speak publicly- Sammie, Sarah, 'Lara' etc who've written books and devoted time to media appearances- well we recognise our stories and begin to understand the truth.

I still don't recognise myself as a victim, maybe one day I might. But I'm a grown woman now with a family of my own and I was incredibly lucky if I compare my own experiences with those of girls who I lived with.

One thing I wish for all girls - is that there was the power to prevent us going missing in the first place and that we'd not experienced all the shit we went through to become the vulnerable girls who trust these predators more than our own families and those responsible for our care.

My story comes from being in care. From a specific town I don't wish to identify. From a specific era. There are girls in other towns for whom the story is a bit different. One thing I was so glad to see was that in the Derby case recently they weren't relying solely on victims engaging to make convictions. THAT will help enormously in rescuing victims.

@felldownarabbithole the fact you have got to where you’ve got to and managed what you have speaks volumes. You are fucking incredible. I’m sorry if that reads as patronising because it’s not meant to be, I am in awe of your strength, tenacity and determination.

Fell down thank you for posting this. Unfortunately User et al don't want to listen to you because it doesn't fit in with their simplistic narrative of 'no one listens to the white working classes'.

I apologise unreservedly, I read it wrong, I thought she said if we end up in these men's grasp, we can't expect the police to help. SO SORRY

I an going. I have linked to CSE reports 1 in 3 care children go missing. Provided numbers 9130 children went missing in 2017. I have told of personal witnessing it (dismissed by you). I have told you who I respect on this issue, Anne Cryer, also dismtssed in 1990/2000's, Sara Rowbotham, sacked in Rochdale, Sarah Champion, sacked by Labour, Jess Phillips ( BRILLIANT) and Jo Swinson, great. I have never supported TR.

But you lot think I want Felldown silenced. I have sat through talks from brave young victims, who have talked to my sons cadet group and in our area's schools and a local youth group, who harrowing tell of begging police and social workers to help and been told no, returned to their pimp and arrested for prostitution. So sorry, I don't believe what she said is how we as nation should look on kids in care.

But I grow up on 2 of the countries poorest council estates, have close friends in Keighley, who have been victims and know off close friends who have kids abused, so I am going to leave you all to wring your hands now, I am so sorry for the likes of RABBIT, but if she truly thinks it was ok for the police not to help kids in her situation, I am not the right person to listen to it, I have heard it from ladies in the local DV shelter to, I obviously was brought up wrongly to respect all people and stop their suffering

God and people wonder why TR continues to get support from working class areas and CSE continues.

I obviously was brought up wrongly to respect all people and stop their suffering

Passive aggressive drivel.

But you lot think I want Felldown silenced

It took several of us to have a go before you actually admitted you were wrong. “You lot”? You sound like TR and his cronies. You can sit through whatever you like, you dismissed and attacked someone who actually lived it because you were so high up on your soapbox you didn’t bother to read her comments. More than once.

You are being absolutely unreasonable, and unwilling to listen to anyone. You dismissed someone who actually suffered because of this. You had no right.

Thanks @AlisonCHaynes @SoddingUnicorns

I don't see myself as a victim. I do see girls I lived with as victims who've had their lives torn apart and still being destroyed by this.

The problem with the narrative of nobody listening to the white working class - is it's not that simple. Sometimes our families WERE listened to. Sometimes people DID care - they were still powerless. There were also those who just DIDNT care and those who were caught up amongst those who blamed US as that's what society as a whole used to do.

I know of mothers who put their kids in care for protection completely believing that there was greater power to keep their daughters safe by doing that - who then spent night after night searching for us as the police weren't! Some of these mothers weren't even working class - they were middle class professionals themselves! Not people who you expected social services and the police to dismiss! Not women who didn't know how to write to anyone and everyone begging for help!

TR doesn't help us in my eyes. He gets our families caught up in bigotry and those within the Pakistani community who did try to help (they do exist!) get vilified by our own families. I went on as an adult to have a relationship with a Pakistani Muslim man who was not a predator who devotes his time to helping (via a specific job) girls who had/have experienced CSE amongst others in life. You know what? My family would never accept he was anything but a pedophile based on his skin and religion. Because of idiots like TR!

For me - that relationship was incredibly healing. Couldn't have ever worked long term because of idiots like TR who prey on my families very real validated fear of Pakistani Muslim men.

I'm not sure where I EVER said it was OK for the police not to listen???

I've explained why it sadly happened.

The police, social services, society and many other "professionals" failed miserably in decades past.

Saying that they are still failing us... may be true sadly. But I see a LOT more than I used to when I lived this. That's progress... not the end... but progress that I for one am very grateful for.

It's not progress TR has bought about though! If anything it's progress the victims who speak out publicly and now work tirelessly with forces who failed THEM PERSONALLY have bought about. That's bloody bravery and I respect them so much for not saying fuck you to those organisations but saying you fucked up for me but I will still help you now for the girls left behind after our own abusers are sometimes (not always) bought to some form of justice. You know these girls also work with professionals who jumped on their stories for a leg up in their careers and who are praised in the press - who personally let THEM down in decades gone.

Sorry.
I am going, I have a wife who updates PNC, and the sex offenders register, I live with and around police officers with over 150 years of combined children protect experience. I have a MIL and her sister who where involved with reducing under age pregnancies in our local City, it was one of top 3, no longer. I have sat in at least 50 children and vulnerable adults safeguarding courses, school governor and RL youth coach. given evidence for both prosecution and defence in CSE trials. Sat through brave girls and boys telling their stories to make others aware, and helped 3 distressed cadets deal with the aftermath of one such talk. Seen to friends commit suicide over things even Rabbit didn't experience.
But your right, I am a little shit, so sorry, I will leave ilovesooty, SDT and soddingunicorn to it. People like myself know nothing, we should go back to Marfleet and Bilton Grange and never speak again. but leave it up to the educated to deal with it.
Don't worry, I get the message, I know nothing, and never will. So sorry for interrupting your lives, I will go.

@user

Your passive aggressive dig that I haven't seen people I lived with commit suicide over this

Is sadly completely wrong. I can count the people who I lived with through various children's homes who are still alive or out living a life rather than wasting away in jail or addiction.

It's not a big number. I lived with many!

”So sorry, I don't believe what she said is how we as nation should look on kids in care.”

I don’t think @felldownarabbithole ever even suggested this is how we should look on kids in care, @user1471450935 - she was saying that, in her hard experience, this was the way kids in care were seen.

Sadly we must listen to account to like this, and face the fact that they are real, if we want to change things going forward.

And yes, your nasty accusation of victim blaming looked like a clear attempt to silence @felldownarabbithole.

Rabbit

Humberside Police where chasing white child abusers and Muslim child abusers, when I got married, 1997, and where when I met my best man in 1993. So if they could, why do you think the other Police forces couldn't. By the way they still are doing it, and they have even prosecuted one of their own officers for rape and another for CSE.
So come on ilovesooty, SDT and soddingunicorns if HP can why can't the much bigger SYP/WYP/GMP and TVP.
Honest question.

Professionals still not listening to the girls... thinking they see it from the outside better than those who went through it.

That's what makes me angry.

I'm not even blameless. I watched a whole trial play out in the news as an adult that I had information on before I came forward to support. I watched men I still viewed as having been friends of mine locked up and I felt sorry for them!

It's grim. It's not okay. But it's the disgusting truth.

I'm not alone. I spoke with others still around who also refused to come forward at the time to support those men being locked up.

What a difference some years of distance from it makes in the way we view things.

I wish I could tell those girls how sorry I am. How they deserved to be believed and listened to.

I wish I could tell those men - well I can't even write it as words couldn't fill what years of counselling has taken to accept about the truth of who they are. It wouldn't be enough for someone who does feel they're a victim to read... so I'm going to choose not to write what I started on that.

@user1471450935 where I grew up police were chasing abusers. Police were also not recognising who abusers were. Police were also dismissing girls as troublemakers and consensual child prostitutes. Police were also often powerless to stop even if they were aware as there was no magic money pot to devote to girls who went missing every day compared with those who's disappearance was out of character.

What do you not get?

I didn't live in Humberside but I think you've deduced that already.

Right I will go into this saying he deserves to go to prison he was jepodising a trial, once it's completed he can say what he wants.

As someone who lives in rotherham, the police aren't fit for purpose, with this, Hillsborough,and orgreave it just proves how deep corruption goes.

A user above was saying how great Sarah Champion is, honestly she isn't she spends too much time supporting causes elsewhere and not in her own town and the general issues not regarding the news worthyones..

Peadophiles disgust me and hope that any get sent down fora long time, I just don't think we need knee jerk doors attending trials making a name for their selves

Idiots not doors

”So come on ilovesooty, SDT and soddingunicorns if HP can why can't the much bigger SYP/WYP/GMP and TVP.”

Honest answer - I don’t know, @user1471450935 - but where have I said it is OK that the bigger police authorities can’t do this? Equally honest question.

My final post on here. I gave evidence against someone my family knew, and who thought I would never give evidence against them because I was a so called friend. I didn't stand by, or wait to be asked, I gave the evidence because he was a child rapist.

My son has sat through numerous talks and 1 to 1 talks with victims, as he wants to be a police officer, he is a cadet, they have to learn a 45 page guide. I have listened to friends, neighbours and strangers tell me how we as a nation failed them. The school I was at had had problems in the past, we had specialist advice on going forward, including 3 child rape victims.
My best friends sister, committed suicide over child grooming, and a girl I went to college was abused by a gang from 11. my eldest's first GF, was from a care background, she was amazing, but most people only saw her as trouble, and a slag.
I don't pretend to know how to deal with it, I only talk to people who have tried for the last 20 years to lead our area away from it.

But one thing I do know is CSE and abuse isn't historic, and hasn't gone away. That's what the guilty want you to believe.
In our local schools, primary and secondary, every staff room and student area has anti CSE posters. They are taught in Citizenship and PCGE lessons. There are specialist assemblies and talks to the year 9-13 students. Police stations, libraries, doctor surgeries, hospitals, youth clubs, bus and railway stations have warning posters all over them. Commercial radio runs anti CSE adverts, local BBC radio holds expert advice sessions. We have specialist websites for teenagers. parents and support staff to advice and give reporting channels.
Humberside Police tweet/facebook missing children and vulnerable adults as soon as possible, we knew the team who do it.
Imagine living in that 24/7/365 days as a child or parent. Knowimg historically people didn't give a damn, knowing their are at least 1501 victims in Rotherham, 100's more in west Yorkshire, similar in Derby, 100s in Newcastle and even more in Oxford, Telford and Rochdale.

That is our daily life, and then coming on here and hearing people, excluding Fallendownaribbithole , telling you that you know nothing about even it, when you personally know victims and the people at the front line of trying to protect them. it isn't just care kids either, it involves many children from normal family backgrounds too.

Sorry you don't have live with it daily, there is no hiding place, no gagging orders on it here, 2 adverts on way to and back from vets this morning. One more at 1315 on way to work. Eldest son and girls in sixth form warned of suspicion men in the vicinity of their school after A level exam yesterday. Years 9/10 and 11 warned today during school day.

So come on ilovesooty, SDT and soddingunicorn tell us what to do about. I know my wife would kill anyone who abused our kids or neice, who is 11 and nephew who is 8, but what do we do, to keep our kids safe?

Genuine and honest question.